Nc parishioners demand removal of pastor for defying ‘spirit of vatican ii’

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Sounds like a few modernists don’t like the Church and want it to be what they want rather than what it actually is. Too bad I don’t live closer or I would go there and support the priest. It’s about time we have priests reach back to what they should be focused on and ignore this weakening of Church practice since people went nuts after Vatican II. Also, keeping in mind, this area is an extremely liberal minded part of the state. Much of what folks like this say is suspect and must be investigated completely before trusting the claims.

I am not surprised. People seem to think Christianity changes for them, rather than changing for Christianity. They don’t understand their own history. They are part of this modern age entitlement, “give me what I want or I will destroy you” mentality. The article says some have left and gone to Protestant churches. That’s a good thing. They should have been there the entire time. Get the weeds out of the flower garden and let the flowers grow strong and beautiful. Those people will hopefully see their error and return with a more humble heart.

I hope the Bishop understands the importance of keep this priest in place. If he has made errors against the direction and desires of the Church, removal is a last option, which these folks seem to think is a first option. That indicates where the problem rests.
 
Moved to the TC forum Jon.
We try to keep to our own mental patients.
J/K. 😉
 
I wish they’d have sent the priest to my town. Everything he is doing sounds like a welcome change. And not a change to something new or foreign but a change back to tradition. A change in keeping with what the Church actually teaches and practices it actually calls for.

I wouldn’t call it a minor issue that a sizable number of parishioners call for the removal of a priest. The bishop is in an unenviable and difficult position.

From what I understand in the Charlotte Diocese there is a fair amount of movement in this direction particularly with younger priests. I do know of a similar situation where a priest tried to change things and was met with fierce opposition from parishioners who likewise complained to the bishop. Unfortunately in that case the very holy and orthodox priest ended up chosing to leave.
 
Methinks there may be more to this story than the headline.
Church politics are no different in a Catholic parish than in a Protestant church. People are human and can always be counted on to cause problems.
I will say it’s curious to hear the terminology “Spirit of Vatican 2”, a phrase I have only heard among traditionalists in the past decade. If I said that to the Catholics I know they would have no clue what I am talking about.
That may be a clue as to what ‘more’ there is to this story.

BTW, it might be a good idea to stay within forum rules about this subject. I haven’t been on the TC forum in a while, but at one time (before Marshall Tom Casey came) this place was pretty wild.
 
This is not a minor issue, but it is less widespread.
There was a huge chunk of the generation that grew up shortly before Vatican 2, especially nuns but also priests and laity. After V2 they were influenced by genuine trends of spiritual renewal, but also by secular trends that urged Christians to persuade their church to follow the secular trends.

There were other trends and movements, some good like ecumenism, Cursillo, Charismatic prayer, Bible study, etc mixed in with the bad, at the time. Many seminaries allowed doctrinal content to decline, some religious orders disintegrated spiritually.

In the US the “renewed” peeps evaluated the Magisterium by the standard of the secular media, which now rules them. The fact that V2 called for some needed changes fueled demand to push through other agendas “in the Spirit of V2”. They networked and took control of catechetics in many places, fading in recent years.

Now you have the angry generation (like my 70 year old cousin) and the brainwashed generation (like my 40 year old cousin, who never learned doctrinal content). The bishops dealt with lots of bad and good trends, they also had traditionalists who, seeing bad stuff “in the Spirit of V2”, rejected V2 itself.

Under St. JP II, different men entered the seminaries, which themselves reasserted doctrine. Some aspects of V2, which were ignored, are being implemented in parishes. Some aspects of the “spirit of V2” are being phased out. In my diocese, there are few really liberal parishes left, with liberal pastors near retirement. My 70 year old lay cousin actively works for liberal religious causes. My 40 year old cousin is inactive Catholic. Her children won’t be Catholic at all.

In most cities, if a liberal parish turns around, there are other liberal parishes or campus ministries people flee to. As time goes on, there are fewer liberal pastors and less money to support Catholic places. There are fewer people under a certain age who are liberal, and also willing to work for “the cause”. If the pastor talks about prolife, they won’t bother fleeing somewhere else, they simply sleep in on Sunday. But my 70 year old cousin will be busy, criticizing our new bishop about same sex marriage.

Our new bishop can’t do much about the liberal pastors near retirement. But he spends a lot of time with the seminarians and younger priests, who all seem conservative. He works a lot with home schoolers, prolifers, and similar groups. You can see the trend here.
 
Methinks there may be more to this story than the headline.
Church politics are no different in a Catholic parish than in a Protestant church. People are human and can always be counted on to cause problems.
I will say it’s curious to hear the terminology “Spirit of Vatican 2”, a phrase I have only heard among traditionalists in the past decade. If I said that to the Catholics I know they would have no clue what I am talking about.
That may be a clue as to what ‘more’ there is to this story.

BTW, it might be a good idea to stay within forum rules about this subject. I haven’t been on the TC forum in a while, but at one time (before Marshall Tom Casey came) this place was pretty wild.
Whenever I have heard “Spirit of Vatican II” it was always in a negative way, referring to the craziness people seemed to indulge in after Vatican II was concluded, ignoring what it really said. So, I agree, it does kind of stand out.
 
NCR ?
:rotfl:

I bet the NCR staff is loving this. These “laity calling the shots” headlines are right up their ally.

In their Catholic formation someone forgot to tell them that the bottom rung of the ladder is reserved for laity.:cool:
 
NCR ?
:rotfl:

I bet the NCR staff is loving this. These “laity calling the shots” headlines are right up their ally.

In their Catholic formation someone forgot to tell them that the bottom rung of the ladder is reserved for laity.:cool:
“Bottom rung” sounds insulting. I would use a different term. It is this kind of rhetoric that give trads a bad reputation.
 
Liberal parishioners denouncing their pastor as too orthodox? Yes, it does happen at times. We should pray for all involved.
 
I have to say that the phrase in the article *channeling the Spirit of Vatican 2 *kinda got to me! Very appropriate!
 
NCR ?
:rotfl:

I bet the NCR staff is loving this. These “laity calling the shots” headlines are right up their ally.

In their Catholic formation someone forgot to tell them that the bottom rung of the ladder is reserved for laity.:cool:
Wow. The “bottom rung?” As in, the people Jesus came to save? As in, the people whom, per Pope Francis, the pastors of the Church should “smell like?” How demeaning. And it would be interesting to see some real reporting on this issue, such as with real facts, with an editorial slant of neither Michael Voris nor NCR.
 
This goes on quite a bit I think, but this is an extreme case. My priest told me that he was once berated by angry parishioners because he covered the chalice with a veil. This is a practice that the GIRM called “praiseworthy” and that at least one other local parish does. There are also those who dislike having the psalm sung, although again the GIRM encourages this. It is a very positive thing if “spirit of vatican 2” types who manipulate what the council actually said to their own ends, go to a protestant church, they will get on a lot better there.
 
It sounds like some modernist have run amok. I pity them. We should pray for all involved.

:twocents: Bottom Rung = Our responsibility to remain obediant to the churches authority; not that we’re less important than the clergy in the eyes of god, or his church.
 
I wish they’d have sent the priest to my town. Everything he is doing sounds like a welcome change. And not a change to something new or foreign but a change back to tradition. A change in keeping with what the Church actually teaches and practices it actually calls for.

I wouldn’t call it a minor issue that a sizable number of parishioners call for the removal of a priest. The bishop is in an unenviable and difficult position.

From what I understand in the Charlotte Diocese there is a fair amount of movement in this direction particularly with younger priests. I do know of a similar situation where a priest tried to change things and was met with fierce opposition from parishioners who likewise complained to the bishop. Unfortunately in that case the very holy and orthodox priest ended up chosing to leave.
I’m in the Charlotte Diocese and my husband and son consider this pastor a traditionalist whom they support. In fact my husband sent him a email letting him know that.

Can you explain what you mean by “From what I understand in the Charlotte Diocese there is a fair amount of movement in this direction particularly with younger priests.”? If you mean the younger priests are more traditional, then that is true and I’m very happy about that. Too many Catholics even those who grew up in the 50s and 60s were not properly taught the Faith (myself included).
 
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