NC Register: No Half Measures in Responding to Clerical Crisis

  • Thread starter Thread starter KJW5551
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I am getting truly narked off with the blame for child abuse being laid upon gay clergy. It’s become a scapegoat which is nothing more than a washing of hands, ‘it’s not our fault, it’s the gays’. Seriously, I know a number of gay priests who are nothing but orthodox, faithful and devout. These historic cases will continue to appear in the future if not addressed correctly.
 
In the coming months I will be encouraging my fellow Catholics to close their wallets to any contributions outside of their parish (i.e. diocese) until this problem is resolved.
40.png
Cruciferi:
Money talks
In companies in which the raison d’etre of the organization is ‘profit motive’ and/or ‘capitalist economics’, this is an effective approach. In Western society, where consumerism is king, the threat of ‘boycott’ is a real weapon.

The Church isn’t a profit-driven company. Does it need resources to stay afloat? Of course. Will threatening a boycott of it have the same effect as threatening a boycott of Starbucks? No.

(Oh, it will hurt, eventually, at a certain level, but if you think it’s the same dynamic, then you’re sadly mistaken. I would assert that the dynamic is more ‘siege’ than ‘boycott’ – which means that you have to be willing to inflict substantial and profound collateral damage to innocents in achieving your desired objective… 🤷‍♂️)
 
Married men wouldn’t change anything. Celibacy doesn’t create/encourage pedophilia. Sexual abuse in the family is widespread as well.
 
“here appears to be general agreement among U.S. bishops and the faithful on the need for a mechanism that will allow seminarians and priests to report allegations against their superiors without fear of reprisals.”
  • Incardination
  • Obedience
These dynamics of priestly life mean that development, let alone legitimate implementation of such a ‘mechanism’, is a tall order, indeed…
Ordaining married men would be a real step.
It’s cute that you think this would help, but honestly… it wouldn’t address any of the relevant problems. How would a McCarrick situation be thwarted by a married presbyterate? How would a married priesthood dissuade abusers of minors from abusing them?
 
There is no clerical crisis.
They used whips, violence and sadism in sexually assaulting their young victims. One boy, not yet 18, was forced to stand on a bed in a rectory, strip naked, and pose as Christ on the Cross for the priests. Currently cannot post links but you can see the source on CBS Pittsburgh article “301 ‘Predator Priests’ Named In Pa. Grand Jury Sex Abuse Report: ‘They Were Raping Little Boys & Girls’” Seriously though what’s wrong with your Church?
Seems like a serious crisis to me.
 
Last edited:
Ordaining married men would be a real step.
Yes. I think you are right. I understand that some Eastern Orthodox Churches require men to be married before ordination and I don’t see in the EO Church the evidence of the level of sexual abuse that is seen in the Roman Church.
 
i know you are the op, I did not say you bashed anyone, I put up a link to another thread where the catholic bashing has started.
 
homosexual does NOT equal pedophile

when we compound those two conditions
we miss a lot of opportunity
 
Last edited:
its an ongoing issue, its been ongoing since last century.

Its not all of a sudden a crisis
 
I take it the American media is full of this issue today and sensationalising and ramping up the panic factor

judging by the amount of threads

we only cry fake news if its about Trump, right
 
Last edited:
@St. Catherine of Siena and the Reverence Due to Priests

I agree with you,the Pope and the civil authorities are dealing with it ,its like washing linen in the streets,its a shame Catholic are criticizing the priest of god and his anointed.

St. Catherine of Siena and the Reverence Due to Priests​

But The Dialogue says such criticism is never justified:

For this reason no one has excuse to say, “I am doing no harm, nor am I rebelling against holy Church. I am simply acting against the sins of evil pastors.” Such persons are deluded, blinded as they are by their own selfishness…. It is me they assault, just as it was me they reverenced. To me redounds every assault they make on my ministers: derision, slander, disgrace, abuse. Whatever is done to them I count as done to me….

By not paying me reverence in the persons of my ministers, they have lost respect for the latter and persecuted them because of the many sins and faults they saw in them. If in truth the reverence they had for them had been for my sake, they would not have cut it off on account of any sin in them. For no sin can lessen the power of this sacrament, and therefore their reverence should not lessen either. When it does, it is against me they sin. (116)

The Part of the Faithful: Tears and Prayers for Mercy

This sin of persecuting priests and denying them due honor, God tells St. Catherine, is “more serious than any other,” because those who do this are persecuting and dishonoring the blood of Jesus.

If all the other sins these people have committed were put on one side and this one sin on the other, the one would weigh more in my sight than all the others. (116)

That does not mean God is letting priests off the hook. On the contrary, He tells St. Catherine that priests who do evil and lead their flocks astray are devils.

Their dignity in being my ministers will not save them from my punishment. Indeed, unless they change their ways, they will be punished more severely than all the others, because they have received more from my kindness. Having sinned so miserably, they are deserving of greater punishment. So you see how they are devils, just as I told you that my chosen ones are angels on earth and do the work of the angels. (121)

Because “things can be better known by looking at their opposites” (110), God tells St. Catherine of His faithful ministers who serve His people in humility and virtue, extolling them as “precious stones” whom God has set with the “greatest honor in everlasting life,” and the sight of them makes Him “gloriously happy.” (119)
 
Last edited:
While I don’t see married clergy as a cure for the abuse problem, you seem to miss a point. And that is, that the abuse of over 80% of the victims is by homosexual priests with teenage boys. While in society there are some “equal opportunity” abusers, meaning they abuse both male and female teenagers, the vast majority are focused on one sex, not both for victims. Thus married men are very unlikely to be sexually abusing teenage boys.
 
In the Archdiocese of Oregon, Fr. Thomas Laughlin was the forst priest to be convicted of crininal sexual abuse of boys: his conviction was in 1983. He was ordained in the late 1940’s and came to Oregon in 1948. As early as 1965, if not earlier, he was reported to have abused a boy (he was teaching high school at the time) and he was then shuffled off to various parishes. He was ultimately reported to have abused dozens of boys, though most likely we will never know the total.

Yes, it is an ongoing crisis. If there is anything strange about it, it is that it has taken to now for Pennsylvania dioceses to come to terms about it. And that is after a number of dioceses have gone bankrupt over the claims.
 
This the 100th one we had in the last few weeks.
If you’re referring to threads like this, I say good, let there be 100 more. Plus letter writing, plus talking to our pastors, etc. until the Bishops actually do something. As I said earlier, any of them who knew about McCarrick and stayed silent should resign ASAP for grievously failing the faithful.

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-u...second-priest-sent-officials-about-mccarrick/

*Before people jump on the article, just know that Crux is a very reliable source sponsored by the KOC and run by John Allen Jr., one of the most respected people in this field.
 
Last edited:
ou are correct that a homosexual male is not automatically an ephebiphile (which is the correct term for someone sexually attracted to teenagers of the same sex in the age range of 15 to 19) or hebephilia (post pubescent, ages 11 to 14). Pedophilia applies only to prepubescent children and is less frequent that the former two attractions. Further, it is not just sexual attraction, but is actually a sexual preference.
Paedophilia has been rampant here in institutional child sex abuse. and given its been rampant here, I don’t see any reason why it would not be, in any other country.

The Royal Commission into Historic Child Sex abuse found this out, that paedophiles were attacking very young children.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top