ND Church I’ve Been Considering

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May I recommend The Case for Catholicism by Trent Horn. I’m not even a Christian but I found the book to be very thorough, easy to read and clairifies all the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism and the biblical and early church fathers for every point. This may be exactly what you need to answer your questions, especially ones that Protestants tend to claim aren’t in the Bible. I was impressed!

Btw, if you feel you can’t afford the book but are interested in it, I will gift it to you. I really want you to find answers and be at peace with them.
 
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May I recommend The Case for Catholicism by Trent Horn. I’m not even a Christian but I found the book to be very thorough, easy to read and clairifies all the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism and the biblical and early church fathers for every point. This may be exactly what you need to answer your questions, especially ones that Protestants tend to claim aren’t in the Bible. I was impressed!

Btw, if you feel you can’t afford the book but are interested in it, I will gift it to you. I really want you to find answers and be at peace with them.
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Thanks. I’ll look it up on Amazon.
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Hope1960 said:
He was saying that there’s “very few things the CC got right;” “none (or maybe some) of the stuff the CC teaches is in the Bible, they just made it up out of thin air;” “Catholics lied since the 1300’s and its in writings”…among other things.” He said that you can ask priests things, (challenge him) to find stuff the Church teaches in the Bible and it’s just not in there.
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If the bishops lack teaching authority, then the Bible is ipso facto a sham.

It’s not something that Jesus left on a table for the apostles to make copies. Rather, it comes from the writings of the early church selected by the bishops and used in various liturgy, and then by councils of the bishops.

There are somewhere around a hundred known Gospels, of which the bishops, exercising their teaching authority, selected only four. I don’t even know how many hundreds of epistles there are out there, of which the bishops again only selected a small fraction.

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Hope, You are not going to find what you are looking for in a Protestant church. You may life easier, simpler, less restrictive that life in the Catholic Church but you will not find the fulfillment of the truth as you do in the Catholic Church.

This ND preacher said things you knew were not true about the Catholic Church more that once but yet you still give him some credibility over the whole Catholic Church and 2000 years of history. I can guarantee this ND preacher has no idea what the Catholic Church really teaches, he only knows the myths he’s be told or made up.

To believe in anything other than the Catholic Church is to believe in man made theology, not divine theology given by Jesus Christ himself and inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Please identify what exactly your issue is with the church and have a good long talk with your priest about it.
 
Hope1960 said:
I’ve learned a LOT here, much of what’s is in direct opposition to what this pastor said. How do we know our teachings, traditions etc. are correct?
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For me, the Catholic Tradition is the only tradition (including this ND tradition you speak of) that makes sense from Genesis to Revelation. Most other traditions, you have to ignore parts of the bible or explain one part in a manner which contradicts how that tradition explains another part.

The fact that the Bible comes out of the Catholic Tradition should be enough to tell you who should be interpreting anyway.
 
Yep, if you were comfortable with doing so that would have been acceptable.

I’ve heard some “interesting” things said about non-Catholics at my wife’s parish where if I wouldn’t have been with them I would have walked out too. I came really close once when they weren’t there, but made it through.
 
The more and more I think about it the more I think this guy is a real piece of work. He used a three letter derogatory word for gays several times, and a crass word for sex. ( Rhymes with blue).
 
It can only be miraculous that every other institution has come and gone over 2000 years and yet the Catholic Church still stands. Also the church came BEFORE the New Testament, the young church wrote the books of the NT and did not discern which ones were inspired by the Holy Spirit to make up the NT for hundreds of years. It was a Catholic Church Council that chose the books. So scripture serves the church. The current Catholic Church can trace our bishops all the way back to the apostles.
 
The class was supposed to be an hour and 25 minutes but went over by 5 or 10 minutes. It was taught by the pastor and the guest service director. At the beginning of class he wanted us to tell him a little about what we like and dislike about the church. When I was talking I mentioned that I have a Catholic background, as did someone else. He eventually mentioned that there are several of people there with Catholic backgrounds and then later said that many of their church members are formerly Catholic.

We were given a booklet about the church and he went over the things in the booklet and compared their church to a few different denominations but seemed focused mainly on Catholicism. He just stood at the front of the class and preached on the topic of their church, off and on dissing Catholicism.

He was really on a roll when talking about baptism.
 
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Hope1960 said:
Well, I took that class at the Non Denominational church I’d been considering. The lead pastor, whom I’d describe as a showman, had a lot of rude comments about the Catholic Church, all the while trying to make it sound like he wasn’t against the Church.

He was saying that there’s “very few things the CC got right;” “none (or maybe some) of the stuff the CC teaches is in the Bible, they just made it up out of thin air;” “Catholics lied since the 1300’s and its in writings”…among other things.” He said that you can ask priests things, (challenge him) to find stuff the Church teaches in the Bible and it’s just not in there.

I’ve learned a LOT here, much of what’s is in direct opposition to what this pastor said. How do we know our teachings, traditions etc. are correct?
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Protestants claim the Bible is the only rule of faith, meaning that it contains all of the material one needs for theology and that this material is sufficiently clear that one does not need apostolic tradition or the Church’s magisterium (teaching authority) to help one understand it. In the Protestant view, the whole of Christian truth is found within the Bible’s pages. Anything extraneous to the Bible is simply non-authoritative, unnecessary, or wrong—and may well hinder one in coming to God.

Catholics, on the other hand, recognize that the Bible does not endorse this view and that, in fact, it is repudiated in Scripture. The true “rule of faith”—as expressed in the Bible itself—is Scripture plus apostolic tradition, as manifested in the living teaching authority of the Catholic Church, to which were entrusted the oral teachings of Jesus and the apostles, along with the authority to interpret Scripture correctly.
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https://www.catholic.com/index.php/tract/scripture-and-tradition
 
Hope1960 said:
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Catholics, on the other hand, recognize that the Bible does not endorse this view and that, in fact, it is repudiated in Scripture.
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Where is it repudiated in Scripture?
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You should read the linked article and study it for it provides the answer. But one place is:

2 Thessalonians 2:15​

15 Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.
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Leave that church and don’t go back. The pastor you’ve been talking to wants to collect Catholics the way a hunter mounts trophies. He doesn’t care about you or your soul, but wants to “convert” another “clueless Catholic” who has been “lied to” all these years.

It needs to be put to you bluntly: stop considering all of these “non-denominational” Churches.
 
Sounds like he defines his church as “We’re not Catholic!” 😄 I notice this a lot with protestant preachers. “We’re not Catholics!” Pretty sad when that is your entire identity. Why can’t they enjoy what they have without running down Catholic beliefs? I have never, not once, ever heard a Catholic priest say one negative thing about protestants.
 
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Leave that church and don’t go back. The pastor you’ve been talking to wants to collect Catholics the way a hunter mounts trophies. He doesn’t care about you or your soul, but wants to “convert” another “clueless Catholic” who has been “lied to” all these years.

It needs to be put to you bluntly: stop considering all of these “non-denominational” Churches.
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You’re probably right.
 
BoomerangToo said:
Sounds like he defines his church as “We’re not Catholic!” 😄 I notice this a lot with protestant preachers. “We’re not Catholics!” Pretty sad when that is your entire identity. Why can’t they enjoy what they have without running down Catholic beliefs? I have never, not once, ever heard a Catholic priest say one negative thing about protestants.
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Neither have I. He’s never talked like that during church, and today he said something, trying to make it sound like he’s not anti Catholic but then he’d blather on. He did say one sort of nice thing about Catholicism. He kind of mimicked our music (I’d said that I love theirs) and he said that he kind of likes ours. So there is that.
 
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Hope1960 said:
He’s never talked like that during church,
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“During church”

Took me a while to figure out what the difference was between church & Mass. No offense, but my understanding is “church” was basically “Sunday school” for adults. Mass is worship prescribed by the one true God, to the one true God, through the one true God.
 
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