NDE and spiritual realm

[STT]

We all hear about NDE (near death experience). This is related to experience of spiritual realm when a person is in specific condition. These are questions which are bothering me: Why we don’t always experience spiritual realm? What is that specific condition which allows us to experience spiritual realm?

 

[Bradski]

We all hear about NDE (near death experience). This is related to experience of spiritual realm when a person is in specific condition. These are questions which are bothering me: Why we don’t always experience spiritual realm? What is that specific condition which allows us to experience spiritual realm?

Lack of oxygen and/or powerful anasthesia/analgesics. Just a healthy shot of morphine (which is very similar in effect to cocaine) will have you feeling spiritually inclined.

 

[STT]

Lack of oxygen and/or powerful anasthesia/analgesics. Just a healthy shot of morphine (which is very similar in effect to cocaine) will have you feeling spiritually inclined.

Why their experience has specific content, vision and impression of being in certain place, Heaven or Hell? Why their experience is not mere noise?

 

[GEddie]

Why their experience has specific content, vision and impression of being in certain place, Heaven or Hell? Why their experience is not mere noise?

The jury, as we say in this country, is very much still out on the meaning of these experiences.

They may be a porthole into the “other life”. Or they could just be the result of a lack of breath acting upon the human head. Take your pick.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Bradski]

Why their experience has specific content, vision and impression of being in certain place, Heaven or Hell? Why their experience is not mere noise?

They’re not all the same. You only hear about the ones that might have something in common. Bright lights. Tunnel. Someone saying come on or go back.

Have you never had a dream? Have you never had an incident that was concerning you in your life that presented itself in a dream? Have you never had some type of drug at some time?

People who have NDEs generally tick all those boxes.

There must have been hundreds of thousands of people who have these experiences and all you get to hear about are the ones where someone is trying to convince you about something.

I remember my father telling us about the night in hospital he spent talking about life, the universe and everything with a china dog that appeared at the end of his bed. He was absolutely certain beyond any doubt whatsoever that the dog had actually been there. But of course, being a sensible man, he realised that it hadn’t.

These experiences are as real for the people who experience them as it is possible to be. But they aren’t.

 

[McCartney]

People have seen relatives they did not know existed like a young boy who saw a sister who died before he was born and he did not know existed. He described her to his mother perfectly. He did not know his grandfather but told his father a lot about the two of them did when his father was young.

 

[Bradski]

People have seen relatives they did not know existed like a young boy who saw a sister who died before he was born and he did not know existed. He described her to his mother perfectly. He did not know his grandfather but told his father a lot about the two of them did when his father was young.

These stories don’t hold up. Dig deep enough and there are always problems.

But why should we bother to dig that deep anyway? If NDEs actually showed that there was a connection to ‘the other side’ then there wouod be hundreds, if not thousands, of uncontravertable examples.

 

[Autumn_Smoke]

Hi STT,

You’re probably getting tired of this post, but I’ll post it again in case there are those who aren’t familiar and would be interested.

I have just read a book about Shared Death Experience, in which many have shared the after-death experience with deceased persons. They have seen the dead person’s essence leave their bodies, have seen other beings or deceased relatives coming to get them, have seen a bright light, some have experienced/shared in their life reviews, have seen another dimension open and have seen them begin a journey into this other dimension, and some have actually traveled part-way up a “tunnel” with them and a few have even claimed to have glimpsed heaven as the deceased person entered.

This is more common than one would believe. The author of the book is a doctor himself and has interviewed numerous others–other doctors, hospice care workers, members of the deceased’s families–who have all experienced a deceased person’s actual death experience. He was the doctor who actually coined the term “Near Death Experience” and wrote many books on the topic. But in his interviews, he began to find something else, which he has named “The Shared Death Experience.”

This is more than a near-death experience and seems to validate the experience. If it were only the brain of the dying person sending messages or dreams due to a lack of oxygen or drug inducement, others would not be sharing in the experience. The deceased never comes back to share this experience, but more and more others are sharing what they’ve experienced at the person’s deathbed.

 

[MaryT777]

They’re not all the same. You only hear about the ones that might have something in common. Bright lights. Tunnel. Someone saying come on or go back.

Have you never had a dream? Have you never had an incident that was concerning you in your life that presented itself in a dream? Have you never had some type of drug at some time?

People who have NDEs generally tick all those boxes.

There must have been hundreds of thousands of people who have these experiences and all you get to hear about are the ones where someone is trying to convince you about something.

I remember my father telling us about the night in hospital he spent talking about life, the universe and everything with a china dog that appeared at the end of his bed. He was absolutely certain beyond any doubt whatsoever that the dog had actually been there. But of course, being a sensible man, he realised that it hadn’t.

These experiences are as real for the people who experience them as it is possible to be. But they aren’t.

I tend to agree with this especially given the powerful drugs given in these incidents. My mother in the hospital was talking with a bear she told us had come to visit her while she was on morphine after surgery long ago. My mother said it was the most real experience she had ever had when in fact it was simply a drug effect.

Mary.

 

[Lenten_ashes]

I tend to agree with this especially given the powerful drugs given in these incidents. My mother in the hospital was talking with a bear she told us had come to visit her while she was on morphine after surgery long ago. My mother said it was the most real experience she had ever had when in fact it was simply a drug effect.

Mary.

Yeah, I’m sure there are some legit spiritual experiences but I don’t think any of them can be trusted.

As Atheists will point out, in the NDE’s, Christian’s see Jesus and Muslims see Muhammed and Buddhists see Buddha or whatever.

I have these really wild dreams if I eat pizza too late, so I can just imagine the explosive chemical reaction of a dying body causing all sorts of non sense to look like reality.

 

[Memaw]

People have seen relatives they did not know existed like a young boy who saw a sister who died before he was born and he did not know existed. He described her to his mother perfectly. He did not know his grandfather but told his father a lot about the two of them did when his father was young.

I read that book and it was MORE about the preacher father than the boy. I wouldn’t waste my money on the movie!!! God Bless. Memaw

 

[Memaw]

Yeah, I’m sure there are some legit spiritual experiences but I don’t think any of them can be trusted.

As Atheists will point out, in the NDE’s, Christian’s see Jesus and Muslims see Muhammed and Buddhists see Buddha or whatever.

I have these really wild dreams if I eat pizza too late, so I can just imagine the explosive chemical reaction of a dying body causing all sorts of non sense to look like reality.

Agreed!! My question is, WHY would God ever send someone back here that is already in Heaven!!! And don’t tell me that God can do anything HE wants !! God Bless, Memaw

 

[mikekle]

I had a close friend that had an NDE years ago, he was dead for around 7 minutes following a heart attack. He was not religious at all, he did drugs, partied a lot, ran round on his wife, etc, but after this NDE, he was a changed person, he started going to church (not a catholic church, but still a christian church). He described his NDE and it scared him quite a bit, he said he met Satan in some kind of club with a band playing, satan had the body of a fit muscular man, with the head of an opossum, satan was trying to convince my friend to leave with him.

Of course lots of people asked whether this could have been a dream or effects from medicine, but he was absolutely positive it was real, he said this was much different than a dream, and he knew what was going on, he knew he had died.

Sadly though, the changes were short term and before long, he was back to his old ways, he eventually died a few years later, I often wonder where he is right now.

 

[Bookcat]

Got to the Magnis Center

watch Fr. Spitzer on the soul etc

 

[STT]

The jury, as we say in this country, is very much still out on the meaning of these experiences.

They may be a porthole into the “other life”. Or they could just be the result of a lack of breath acting upon the human head. Take your pick.

ICXC NIKA

Brain needs oxygen for functioning. Therefore the lack of oxygen leads to lack of experience. Instead these people have very rich sort of experiences.

 

[Bookcat]

Brain needs oxygen for functioning. Therefore the lack of oxygen leads to lack of experience. Instead these people have very rich sort of experiences.

Fr. Spitzer gets into NDE in his lecture on the transcendence of the Soul as well as there are other materials on the Magis Center website.

What will be of interest is when the heart is stopped and the brain is dead…Dead…nothing happening…nada…

and still NDE are documented and examined…

 

[STT]

They’re not all the same. You only hear about the ones that might have something in common. Bright lights. Tunnel. Someone saying come on or go back.

Have you never had a dream? Have you never had an incident that was concerning you in your life that presented itself in a dream? Have you never had some type of drug at some time?

I don’t understand dream either. Our brain is not made to construct dream instead to experience external world then decide and finally act. How possibly our brain could construct such a rich experience? Have you ever had sleep paralysis? I had many and they were so real, similar to daily life experience.

People who have NDEs generally tick all those boxes.

There must have been hundreds of thousands of people who have these experiences and all you get to hear about are the ones where someone is trying to convince you about something.

I remember my father telling us about the night in hospital he spent talking about life, the universe and everything with a china dog that appeared at the end of his bed. He was absolutely certain beyond any doubt whatsoever that the dog had actually been there. But of course, being a sensible man, he realised that it hadn’t.

These experiences are as real for the people who experience them as it is possible to be. But they aren’t.

You never believe in people until you experience things yourself.

 

[STT]

Hi STT,

You’re probably getting tired of this post, but I’ll post it again in case there are those who aren’t familiar and would be interested.

I have just read a book about Shared Death Experience, in which many have shared the after-death experience with deceased persons. They have seen the dead person’s essence leave their bodies, have seen other beings or deceased relatives coming to get them, have seen a bright light, some have experienced/shared in their life reviews, have seen another dimension open and have seen them begin a journey into this other dimension, and some have actually traveled part-way up a “tunnel” with them and a few have even claimed to have glimpsed heaven as the deceased person entered.

This is more common than one would believe. The author of the book is a doctor himself and has interviewed numerous others–other doctors, hospice care workers, members of the deceased’s families–who have all experienced a deceased person’s actual death experience. He was the doctor who actually coined the term “Near Death Experience” and wrote many books on the topic. But in his interviews, he began to find something else, which he has named “The Shared Death Experience.”

This is more than a near-death experience and seems to validate the experience. If it were only the brain of the dying person sending messages or dreams due to a lack of oxygen or drug inducement, others would not be sharing in the experience. The deceased never comes back to share this experience, but more and more others are sharing what they’ve experienced at the person’s deathbed.

I am not getting tired of your post.

 

[Autumn_Smoke]

Brain needs oxygen for functioning. Therefore the lack of oxygen leads to lack of experience. Instead these people have very rich sort of experiences.

If anyone is interested in Shared Death Experiences, check out “Glimpses of Eternity - an investigation into shared death experiences” by Ramond Moody.

While those near death might be deprived of oxygen or influenced by drugs, those who have shared the experience with the newly deceased are not deprived of oxygen nor having drug-induced hallucinations.

No explanation seems to fit this scenario.

 

[Memaw]

Fr. Spitzer gets into NDE in his lecture on the transcendence of the Soul as well as there are other materials on the Magis Center website.

What will be of interest is when the heart is stopped and the brain is dead…Dead…nothing happening…nada…

and still NDE are documented and examined…

This should NOT be taught as fact when it is still very questionable!! God Bless, Memaw