NDE's (Near Death Experiences)

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What are the various opinions and thoughts of the members here about NDE’s? I’ve seen various stories on YouTube and have been intrigued by what the people involved have “learned” from their experiences. Each one generally has a bright light that generates a warmth and love that they’ve not experienced on Earth. One person experienced some demons from Hell and after he called out to Jesus he was brought into the light. Another person experienced the warmth and light but came back understanding that we become reincarnated as another person.

What do your faith traditions teach about NDE’s or do they?

Thanks!

Rita
 
The Catholic Church has no formal position on veracity of NDE.

Such experiences cannot be proven, or disproven to be any more than the dying head fighting the darkness.

And even if they are true, they are not a matter of faith.

ICXC NIKA
 
I used to visit patients at our community hospital over about four years or so… One of the patients was a gentleman with carpentry experience and no particular interest in religion. He told me he had had two near death experiences and was as a result no longer afraid of death.

I asked him if he would share his experiences for those interested as it might help reassure some who were afraid of death and wanted some reassurance.

He told me he had discussed this with another man who had similar experiences and the man had urged him not to share them. Why was that I asked… Well the man said that people would just say it’s a chemical sort of process and deny it had anything to do with the soul.

I believe “near death experiences” are more common than is commonly believed… also that people who are near death often have dreams to prepare them or make statements that are highly symbolic and significant.

A number of Baha’is I’ve met are interested in this area and here are a few examples:

bahai-library.com/kolins_near_death_experiences

*“But praise be to God, the world of existence does not culminate here. If this were so, existence itself would be sterile. There are many worlds of light. For even as the plant imagines life ends with itself and has no knowledge of our existence, so the materially-minded man has no knowledge of other worlds of consciousness.”
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~ Abdu’l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, p. 122

There’s also the work of Dr. Kubler-Ross that has recorded many near-death experiences:

near-death.com/science/experts/elisabeth-kubler-ross.html
 
Salutations,
The scriptures say, “THERE IS ONE LIFE, ONE DEATH, AND ONE RESURRECTION.” I sure hope that is true. One time round is enough.
As a critical care RN for 48yrs, I saw many things.
One pt was Jehovah Witness, as she was dying and we were shocking her heart, she’d wake up saying,"SAVE ME, PLEASE, DON’T LET ME GO BACK THERE. IT’S HORRIBLE! " She, eventually, died.
I pray somewhere in that time,she had a thought of “forgive me, God.”
The Chaplin for the Hospitals wife was dying. We were praying and singing church songs. She opened her eyes and said,“I see Jesus and named some deceased relatives that were helping her cross over.”
MY brother in law, when he was dying saw his
deceased wife at the foot of his bed and Jesus.
The medical community states the lack of oxygen is causing electrical stimulation in the cerebral cortex. It is our cultural memories we see. Christians see Jesus. Muslims see Mohammed. Jews see Abraham and Adonai. But, pediatric doctors have children going to light and seeing Jesus.
There is life after death. God has no body but is Spirit which goes along with the warm, loving light.
I think the church is being cautious, as it, usually, is.
Dear Father, keep us focused on you and let our relationship grow closer as we draw closer to our own near death experience. Shower your forgiveness and mercy on us.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
tweedlealice said:
Salutations,
The scriptures say, “THERE IS ONE LIFE, ONE DEATH, AND ONE RESURRECTION.” I sure hope that is true. One time round is enough.
As a critical care RN for 48yrs, I saw many things.
One pt was Jehovah Witness, as she was dying and we were shocking her heart, she’d wake up saying,"SAVE ME, PLEASE, DON’T LET ME GO BACK THERE. IT’S HORRIBLE! " She, eventually, died.
I pray somewhere in that time,she had a thought of “forgive me, God.”
The Chaplin for the Hospitals wife was dying. We were praying and singing church songs. She opened her eyes and said,“I see Jesus and named some deceased relatives that were helping her cross over.”
MY brother in law, when he was dying saw his
deceased wife at the foot of his bed and Jesus.
The medical community states the lack of oxygen is causing electrical stimulation in the cerebral cortex. It is our cultural memories we see. Christians see Jesus. Muslims see Mohammed. Jews see Abraham and Adonai. But, pediatric doctors have children going to light and seeing Jesus.
There is life after death. God has no body but is Spirit which goes along with the warm, loving light.
I think the church is being cautious, as it, usually, is.
Dear Father, keep us focused on you and let our relationship grow closer as we draw closer to our own near death experience. Shower your forgiveness and mercy on us.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
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The story about the Jehovah’s Witness reminds me about a really interesting website about nurse’s ghost stories at allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/whats-your-best-108202.html

There are quite a few stories they tell about patients who died screaming things like “Don’t let them take me!!!” and pointing at the ceiling or corner and saying there’s some “black thing” lurking there. Really spooky stuff.

I find it curious that doctors and scientists claim the dying brain is hallucinating these end-of-life visions. If that’s true, why do all the visions have a similar theme running through them? The patient always sees a light, and/or a dead relative, and/or a heavenly visitor such as an angel or Jesus and are told that it’s not their time yet. This can’t possibly be just an artifact of an oxygen-starved brain. If it’s just a dying brain’s hallucination, why don’t the patients see purple spiders and TV stars and talking pineapples? I think scientists don’t really want to think that deeply on such a subject!
 
boomerang said:
The story about the Jehovah’s Witness reminds me about a really interesting website about nurse’s ghost stories at allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/whats-your-best-108202.html

There are quite a few stories they tell about patients who died screaming things like “Don’t let them take me!!!” and pointing at the ceiling or corner and saying there’s some “black thing” lurking there. Really spooky stuff.

I find it curious that doctors and scientists claim the dying brain is hallucinating these end-of-life visions. If that’s true, why do all the visions have a similar theme running through them? The patient always sees a light, and/or a dead relative, and/or a heavenly visitor such as an angel or Jesus and are told that it’s not their time yet. This can’t possibly be just an artifact of an oxygen-starved brain. If it’s just a dying brain’s hallucination, why don’t the patients see purple spiders and TV stars and talking pineapples? I think scientists don’t really want to think that deeply on such a subject!
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You might find this essay beneficial.
 
spedteacherita said:
What are the various opinions and thoughts of the members here about NDE’s? I’ve seen various stories on YouTube and have been intrigued by what the people involved have “learned” from their experiences. Each one generally has a bright light that generates a warmth and love that they’ve not experienced on Earth. One person experienced some demons from Hell and after he called out to Jesus he was brought into the light. Another person experienced the warmth and light but came back understanding that we become reincarnated as another person.

What do your faith traditions teach about NDE’s or do they? Thanks ! Rita
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Rita - thank you for the question I have read much about this subject and find it a reliable source that Life after Death does indeed exist. If you combine this with the Dream World it is a very interesting subject.

I think that there is a lot out there that are most likely a bit exaggerated, but at the same time a lot understated 😉

Regards Tony
 
spedteacherita said:
What are the various opinions and thoughts of the members here about NDE’s? I’ve seen various stories on YouTube and have been intrigued by what the people involved have “learned” from their experiences. Each one generally has a bright light that generates a warmth and love that they’ve not experienced on Earth. One person experienced some demons from Hell and after he called out to Jesus he was brought into the light. Another person experienced the warmth and light but came back understanding that we become reincarnated as another person.

What do your faith traditions teach about NDE’s or do they?

Thanks!

Rita
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There is NO reincarnation! We only die once and that’s it. So we best be prepared to meet our maker. God Bless, Memaw
 
I believe some have had these real experiences. And that their experience is limited to how much they were revealed in those moments. Some experience a calm, yet they did not meet Jesus. If they would have continued into death, it might, or might not, have been calm for them.

I was pretty floored by Gloria Polos story. It’s private revelation, so I take it with caution. But it’s a powerful testimony that compels us to turn from sin and be thankful for Jesus.
 
Memaw said:
There is NO reincarnation! We only die once and that’s it. So we best be prepared to meet our maker. God Bless, Memaw
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I agree, Memaw!! I don’t believe in a reincarnation and wouldn’t want to face another life on Earth here myself.

Thanks, all for your (name removed by moderator)ut. One of the things I find quite interesting is many experience an “out of body” experience and can see what is happening. When my father passed my oldest nephew’s 3 year old was playing in the living room and got up and ran to the window asking where’d he go? Neil asked him who was he talking about and his little son said that Grandpa had just been playing with him. I live in Northern Michigan and my nephew in northern Ohio…seriously thought provoking.

Thanks again for your responses and links!

In Christ,

Rita
 
Memaw said:
There is NO reincarnation! We only die once and that’s it. So we best be prepared to meet our maker. God Bless, Memaw
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We can’t know that, can we? Except through our faith. And billions of people across the world say that reincarnation is an essential belief for them.

I do know that the early Church did have teachings that reflected an understanding in reincarnation, especially those that relied on Plato.

The earliest Christians, especially those who were members of one or other of the Gnostic sects, such as the Valentinians, Ophites, and Ebionites, included reimbodiment among their important teachings.

We also know the early Church Fathers, such as Justin Martyr, St. Clement of Alexandria, and Origen teaching the pre-existence of souls, taking up reincarnation or one or another aspect of reimbodiment.

But clearly it became important in the Church Councils to repudiate reincarnation, and thus it was so.
 
New agers claim we are all here because we chose to be here.

Supposedly all this was predetermined and we took the “contract” whatever life was going to be for us we knew in spirit before we accepted it.

I think it’s all baloney BUT if it were true, I would never accept another “assignment” in flesh. I’d stay in spirit for all eternity.

Talk to hospice nurses and they have some pretty incredible stories. Before my father n law passed, he was saying stuff like “They are here for me” and was looking in a area of the room that was empty.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
Talk to hospice nurses and they have some pretty incredible stories. Before my father n law passed, he was saying stuff like “They are here for me” and was looking in a area of the room that was empty.
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Yes, hospice workers have many stories like this. It is extremely common for the dying to have foresight of the next life, with dreams and visions. It actually happens more than not.

Scientific American recently had an article about this experience titled ‘Vivid Dreams Comfort the Dying.’

scientificamerican.com/article/vivid-dreams-comfort-the-dying/
 
cornbread_r2 said:
You might find this essay beneficial.
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I found this to be highly unbeneficial simply because it is written by a man whose has absolutely no experience in nde research and had never published a peer reviewed paper on an nde study.

The most recent peer reviewed aware study published in 2014 in the secular uk medical journal rescusitation shows a patient having a veridical nde for a full 3 minutes without a functional brain . Keith Augustine and the infidels website belong to the religion of atheism and have an emotional a priori bias against Ndes being real . The vast majority of nde scientists don’t share mister Augustine’s emotionally biased view on Ndes simply because 50 years of research point against Ndes being caused by the brain . The aware 2 study will shut this door for good and it will go global if they have 3 to 5 bulls eyes
 
Micosil said:
Fr. Robert J. Spitzer, S.J., has some interesting material on this issue at

magisreasonfaith.org/life_after_death.html

I personally don’t find it very convincing (nor does it affect my faith one way or the other), but you can have a look and see what you think. 😃
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Father spritzer is one of my favorite apologists, and while I like his write up on lommels study he dies need to update it dr Sam Parnias aware study which happens to be the largest peer reviewed nde study ever conducted .
 
Lenten_ashes said:
New agers claim we are all here because we chose to be here.

Supposedly all this was predetermined and we took the “contract” whatever life was going to be for us we knew in spirit before we accepted it.

I think it’s all baloney BUT if it were true, I would never accept another “assignment” in flesh. I’d stay in spirit for all eternity.

Talk to hospice nurses and they have some pretty incredible stories. Before my father n law passed, he was saying stuff like “They are here for me” and was looking in a area of the room that was empty.
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Amen , one life in this finite realm is enough for me also lol
 
cornbread_r2 said:
You might find this essay beneficial.
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I found this to be highly unbeneficial simply because it is written by a man whose has absolutely no experience in nde research and had never published a peer reviewed paper on an nde study.

The most recent peer reviewed aware study published in 2014 in the secular uk medical journal rescusitation shows a patient having a veridical nde for a full 3 minutes without a functional brain . Keith Augustine and the infidels website belong to the religion of atheism and have an emotional a priori bias against Ndes being real . The vast majority of nde scientists don’t share mister Augustine’s emotionally biased view on Ndes simply because 50 years of research point against Ndes being caused by the brain . The aware 2 study will shut this door for good and it will go global if they have 3 to 5 bulls eyes
 
ComplineSanFran said:
We can’t know that, can we? Except through our faith. And billions of people across the world say that reincarnation is an essential belief for them.

I do know that the early Church did have teachings that reflected an understanding in reincarnation, especially those that relied on Plato.

The earliest Christians, especially those who were members of one or other of the Gnostic sects, such as the Valentinians, Ophites, and Ebionites, included reimbodiment among their important teachings.

We also know the early Church Fathers, such as Justin Martyr, St. Clement of Alexandria, and Origen teaching the pre-existence of souls, taking up reincarnation or one or another aspect of reimbodiment.

But clearly it became important in the Church Councils to repudiate reincarnation, and thus it was so.
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Show us some proof they did!! Totally against Church teaching! God Bless, Memaw
 
humble_catholic said:
I found this to be highly unbeneficial simply because it is written by a man whose has absolutely no experience in nde research and had never published a peer reviewed paper on an nde study.

The most recent peer reviewed aware study published in 2014 in the secular uk medical journal rescusitation shows a patient having a veridical nde for a full 3 minutes without a functional brain . Keith Augustine and the infidels website belong to the religion of atheism and have an emotional a priori bias against Ndes being real . The vast majority of nde scientists don’t share mister Augustine’s emotionally biased view on Ndes simply because 50 years of research point against Ndes being caused by the brain . The aware 2 study will shut this door for good and it will go global if they have 3 to 5 bulls eyes
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This is one of the most researched experiences - theknowledgeofgod.com/books/Glimpse_of_Paradise.pdf

Regards Tony
 
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