Near Death Experiences - Heaven/Hell

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It occurred to me that every time I hear about a near death experience, it is always good. People describe the feeling of peace and seeing those they love. I was wondering does this mean that everyone does end up in a better place? Have there been any people who have lived horrible lives and had a horrible near death experience?
 
lucky3x said:
It occurred to me that every time I hear about a near death experience, it is always good. People describe the feeling of peace and seeing those they love. I was wondering does this mean that everyone does end up in a better place? Have there been any people who have lived horrible lives and had a horrible near death experience?
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I’ve heard there have been, that there were some statistics on people who said they had had NDEs, and actually ironically, sometimes the ones who did better were those who had the negative ones! Well, some people who had the positive ones missed that. Some missed that to a point they went on drugs to try to reproduce it!

The ones with negative ones often changed their lives as a result to avoid that outcome.
 
There are entire books based on negative NDE, the works of Maurice Rawlings, MD, for example.

A cardiologist, Dr. Rawlings saw near-death very frequently, and often the NDEs were dark and frightening rather than comforting.

ICXC NIKA
 
I read Howard Storm’s book. It was an interesting read. If even a portion of what he described about hell was real, it’s horrifying. After reading his account I had a rekindled pity for non-believers.
 
I have read in surveys of near death experiences, that somewhere between 10 and 30 percent of NDE’s are negative.
 
I work with the terminally ill. While most deaths are quite peaceful, it only takes one experience of someone seeing the other side open and being terrified to make you pay attention. It has had a dramatic deepening effect on my faith.
 
lucky3x said:
It occurred to me that every time I hear about a near death experience, it is always good. People describe the feeling of peace and seeing those they love. I was wondering does this mean that everyone does end up in a better place? Have there been any people who have lived horrible lives and had a horrible near death experience?
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Not all life after death experiences are pleasant. I personally know of a 16 year old boy who had an unpleasant experience. I did not know him, but knew his mother. She was part of a small prayer group I belonged to; also we were members of the same parish. It’s been more than 20 years now, but I still remember her telling us about it. Won’t go into the extras, but her son spoke of “dark, black, hands grabbing”. (She said that’s about all he would say; he just didn’t want to talk about it.) He told his parents he did not ever want to be back in that place unless he was in the state of sanctifying grace. His words surprised her because she said she didn’t even know he knew the words “sanctifying grace”!! He’d been a typical teen, interested and involved with sports and girls; balked at having to go to Sunday Mass. After his experience, he became very religious – wanted to go to daily Mass, etc.
 
Most of what I’ve read and heard from others about such things has been in my opinion bunko.

I’ll stick to what the Church knows about life after death for my source of knowledge.

Glenda
 
I my self would certainly not describe NDE as bunco!
I’m the youngest of 3 boys. Back in 1965 in Johnstown Ireland my mother had a NDE while giving birth to my older brother.
She described floating out of her body & could see the doctor & nurses trying to save her.
She also described floating through what she thought was a tunnel & seeing beautiful light.
She saw a figure of a man but couldn’t tell who he was.
This man told her she had to go back as it wasn’t her time.
Whenever I talk to her about it she tells me that the feelings she had were so beautiful & she didn’t want to come back.
This happened in 1965 before NDEs became well publicised & I know trust my own mother dearly so take it to be truth.
This story has always stayed with me & I’ve told people in the past who have lost a loved one so as to try & give them a hope & certainty of life after death.
It has also helped my faith as I have no doubt at all that death is not the end.

God bless, dan
 
ChurchSoldier said:
I work with the terminally ill. While most deaths are quite peaceful, it only takes one experience of someone seeing the other side open and being terrified to make you pay attention. It has had a dramatic deepening effect on my faith.
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:eek: All Nurses.com has thousands of nurse’s ghost stories, and some of them are humdingers. Sometimes dying people would look up in terror at the ceiling and say " what is that black thing up there?!!" Others would scream “don’t let them get me!!!” Really creepy stuff like that. But there were more good experiences than bad. Seeing a white light, angels, loved ones, etc.
 
Hello Dan and thanks for sharing.
danharte said:
I my self would certainly not describe NDE as bunco!
I’m the youngest of 3 boys. Back in 1965 in Johnstown Ireland my mother had a NDE while giving birth to my older brother.
She described floating out of her body & could see the doctor & nurses trying to save her.
She also described floating through what she thought was a tunnel & seeing beautiful light.
She saw a figure of a man but couldn’t tell who he was.
This man told her she had to go back as it wasn’t her time.
Whenever I talk to her about it she tells me that the feelings she had were so beautiful & she didn’t want to come back.
This happened in 1965 before NDEs became well publicised & I know trust my own mother dearly so take it to be truth.
This story has always stayed with me & I’ve told people in the past who have lost a loved one so as to try & give them a hope & certainty of life after death.
It has also helped my faith as I have no doubt at all that death is not the end.

God bless, dan
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This is the exact kind of NDE I was talking about. The Reader’s Digest version of LAD. I’m wondering why she didn’t add she saw Uncle Charlie there and announced to all he’s doing just fine.

Here’s a selection from a little book called the Dogma of Hell by Fr. F.X. Schowppe, S.J., page 74: " There are many who die in their sins because they lack sincerity in the accusation of their sins. Here is an incident which we read in the Annals of Paraguay, during the year 1640. In the Reduction (Jesuit mission plantation) of the Assumption, a woman died who had left a son of about twenty years. This young man beheld his mother appear to him in the most frightful condition. She told him that she was damned for not having made a sincere Confession, and that many others were damned like her for having concealed their sins in Confession. ‘And you,’ she added, ‘do profit by the example of your unfortunate mother.’ "

Glenda
 
This is the exact kind of NDE I was talking about. The Reader’s Digest version of LAD.
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In all fairness, the “Readers Digest” pop version of afterlife became current after 1977, with the appearance of Raymond Moody’s **LIFE AFTER LIFE. ** It was with that book that the tunnel of light, drifting out of body, meeting someone who stops them, etc, became the standard expectation.

Now that everybody has some kind of expectation concerning NDE, the waters are murkier than ever around the entrance to life eternal.

My issue about NDE is that, no matter how they are structured, they might still be only the dying head giving its owner one last show before the breath in the lungs runs out. There can be no proof otherwise.

ICXC NIKA
 
Nita said:
Not all life after death experiences are pleasant. I personally know of a 16 year old boy who had an unpleasant experience. I did not know him, but knew his mother. She was part of a small prayer group I belonged to; also we were members of the same parish. It’s been more than 20 years now, but I still remember her telling us about it. Won’t go into the extras, but her son spoke of “dark, black, hands grabbing”. (She said that’s about all he would say; he just didn’t want to talk about it.) He told his parents he did not ever want to be back in that place unless he was in the state of sanctifying grace. His words surprised her because she said she didn’t even know he knew the words “sanctifying grace”!! He’d been a typical teen, interested and involved with sports and girls; balked at having to go to Sunday Mass. After his experience, he became very religious – wanted to go to daily Mass, etc.
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If a person experiences a negative NDE and decides to change their ways, aren’t they, in effect, being threatened to change “or else”?

Shouldn’t a person be allowed to change on their own volition instead of being threatened?
 
Lost_Sheep said:
If a person experiences a negative NDE and decides to change their ways, aren’t they, in effect, being threatened to change “or else”?

Shouldn’t a person be allowed to change on their own volition instead of being threatened?
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Not a threat, but a “here’s how things stand based on how you lived your life and choices you made.” I would call it a great mercy.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
If a person experiences a negative NDE and decides to change their ways, aren’t they, in effect, being threatened to change “or else”?

Shouldn’t a person be allowed to change on their own volition instead of being threatened?
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Threat or WARNING… I would much rather have a good heads up warning well in advance than just be cast into darkness without one.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
If a person experiences a negative NDE and decides to change their ways, aren’t they, in effect, being threatened to change “or else”?

Shouldn’t a person be allowed to change on their own volition instead of being threatened?
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No more so than John 3:18 or John 3:36.
 
glendab said:
Hello Dan and thanks for sharing.

This is the exact kind of NDE I was talking about. The Reader’s Digest version of LAD. I’m wondering why she didn’t add she saw Uncle Charlie there and announced to all he’s doing just fine.

Here’s a selection from a little book called the Dogma of Hell by Fr. F.X. Schowppe, S.J., page 74: " There are many who die in their sins because they lack sincerity in the accusation of their sins. Here is an incident which we read in the Annals of Paraguay, during the year 1640. In the Reduction (Jesuit mission plantation) of the Assumption, a woman died who had left a son of about twenty years. This young man beheld his mother appear to him in the most frightful condition. She told him that she was damned for not having made a sincere Confession, and that many others were damned like her for having concealed their sins in Confession. ‘And you,’ she added, ‘do profit by the example of your unfortunate mother.’ "

Glenda
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I don’t exactly know what point your trying to make here! Is it that you only believe an account when it’s produced by the church ?
 
Hello Dan.
danharte said:
I don’t exactly know what point your trying to make here! Is it that you only believe an account when it’s produced by the church ?
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Yes, that’s pretty much it. An account provided by the Church is enough for me. That way I don’t have to worry about being lead astray from the Church by silliness and speculations. I do protect my little mustard seed of faith.

W.C. Fields once said “If ya don’t believe in somethin’ ya’ll fall for anything.” I think it applies at this point.

Glenda
 
lucky3x said:
It occurred to me that every time I hear about a near death experience, it is always good. People describe the feeling of peace and seeing those they love. I was wondering does this mean that everyone
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does end up in a better place? Have there been any people who have lived horrible lives and had a horrible near death experience?
I find the NDE of Fr Jose’s credable. youtube.com/watch?v=FeQNdXu-Uvc there’s teaching to go along with the NDE.

OTOH, most NDE’s i’ve seen on youtube have NOTHING to say on what Jesus told them. If a person is taken to heaven, or hell , they can’t do either without Jesus directly making that possible. So what did Jesus say to them? Why do visionaries give specific instructions on what Jesus tells them, but when we hear all these NDE stories, where’s their instruction from Jesus mentioned? Instead we get NADA, nothing…crickets. Jesus at this time has their full attention, and He says NOTHING to them? He gives them NO instruction? He sends them back to this existence with no specific instructions? If they are NOT Catholic, Jesus says nothing, He doesn’t tell them to become Catholic, receive the sacraments, etc etc etc?

There’s a case where Fr Scheier for example didn’t remember his experience right away, but remembered much later what had occurred in his NDE and he included it ALL in his story. He knew exactly what his instructions were to be.

Scripture says heretics for example don’t go to heaven. So how does a heretic have a NDE and goes to heaven, and when they wake up from their NDE, they continue with their life as if all is well. If asked, they can’t wait to die for real the next time, because they know they are going to heaven just as they are.

Personally, without more detail, this is why I’m sceptical of most NDE’s.
 
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