Near Death Experiences

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This a probably a question that can not be definitively answered here, but I wondered, regarding those people who have died and came back to life, why do some claim to have had near death experiences where they claim to have seen the afterlife, and others do not claim to have had any such experience during their time of ‘death.’
 
Maybe it’s something similar to what happens in dreaming. All people dream, but some never remember their dreams. The Memories fade quickly.
 
This a probably a question that can not be definitively answered here, but I wondered, regarding those people who have died and came back to life, why do some claim to have had near death experiences where they claim to have seen the afterlife, and others do not claim to have had any such experience during their time of ‘death.’
It is not settled science. It is not known if these experiences are artifacts of biochemical processes in the brain or not. Everyone is different. Their body chemistry is different. If a biochemical relationship is found then it would help to settle the question.

A relative described a very detailed near death experience. I asked him for additional detail regarding some parts and he was convinced that he had seen the afterlife. He died a day or two later.

Ed
 
Actually there are people who, it is reported, have experiences while they are “brain dead”, before they are resuscitated. I guess they see things they happen in the hospital that they could have guessed at. I would like to see the actual reports. There are three explanations given:
  1. They saw into the future before brain death.
Psychics would claim its possible. Its doubtful
  1. They saw into the past when they woke up
More probable
  1. They read people’s minds after the awoke.
More probable than number 2
  1. The brain has some activity that is undetected **only ** for a short time after brain death.
That seems the most improbable to me

All these imply that the person thought he was thinking **while ** brain dead but really wasn’t. From what I heard, these people were so convinced about when it happened however
 
This a probably a question that can not be definitively answered here, but I wondered, regarding those people who have died and came back to life, why do some claim to have had near death experiences where they claim to have seen the afterlife, and others do not claim to have had any such experience during their time of ‘death.’
If the NDE is from God, then it would make sense that not everyone receives this gift. Most people are not blessed with supernatural events. It’s just meant to be that way.
 
This a probably a question that can not be definitively answered here, but I wondered, regarding those people who have died and came back to life, why do some claim to have had near death experiences where they claim to have seen the afterlife, and others do not claim to have had any such experience during their time of ‘death.’
If you remember high school physics class, we all learned that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, but can be transformed. The example given was water - It can evaporate, but it is never destroyed. It can be turned into a cloud, into air moisture, even an icicle, but never destroyed.

If we take science at its word, then neither our soul nor our consciousness will ever die. Transformed perhaps, but never destroyed.
 
The NDEs that cause a person to change their lives and live according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ sound real to me.
 
Interesting topic- many have incredible transformations after NDE. I heard a (now) priest on Relevant Radio once who had a NDE when he was engaged and a non-practicing Catholic- and the experience made him become a priest and change his lifestyle entirely!

I also have had a family member who described a NDE to me with such detail and seriousness that I really believe it happened. She was drowning and could describe the events occurring around her while she was unconscious. She described a light, the feeling of being forced down onto her knees before the light, and a flash of seeing sins she committed as a child (stuff like not putting toys away or tattling, but specific events like a film reel playing). She then felt called to the light but also had this feeling of needing to go back to her parents so they would not bury a child. She rarely discusses it because of how personal and incredible it was- and she does not want to cheapen the experience by telling everyone and anyone. Other family members also can talk about her experience and these “strange events” that aligned for no reason.

I work in nursing homes and many nurses can tell you about how before a patient dies, they sometimes say incredible things, like talking to their deceased husband, or seeing the virgin mary. It’s really unbelievable until you see it- and if you haven’t seen it, it’s hard to believe.
 
If you remember high school physics class, we all learned that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, but can be transformed. The example given was water - It can evaporate, but it is never destroyed. It can be turned into a cloud, into air moisture, even an icicle, but never destroyed.

If we take science at its word, then neither our soul nor our consciousness will ever die. Transformed perhaps, but never destroyed.
Consciousness is a process, however, not a “thing.” Processes can end.

ICXC NIKA.
 
I would say that everything we receive in this life and in between our two lives is a grace. God gives to us according to our need and his Divine Providence.
 
I would put no faith in NDE, because however convincing they might be, they can never be proven to be any more than the breath-deprived head giving its owner one last feature before lights out.

I think NDEs are great, but won’t put faith in something science may disprove.

ICXC NIKA.
 
The interesting thing about some NDE’s is that the person who had them reveals a knowledge of things that was utterly impossible for them to know about.

I simply find them interesting. But I do personally believe that some are quite legitimate.
 
The interesting thing about some NDE’s is that the person who had them reveals a knowledge of things that was utterly impossible for them to know about.

I simply find them interesting. But I do personally believe that some are quite legitimate.
That is interesting.
 
I am skeptical of contemporary claims of visits to the after life. Here is a case in point.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Came_Back_from_Heaven
There may be a percentage of people who are not telling the truth, but I am not 100% convinced that everyone who says they have had a near death experience where they claim to have have seen the afterlife for example, are lying. Maybe they are being mislead somehow or they are telling the truth.
 
I’ve often written that the night my own father died, he appeared in my room. He started with an apology for years of deliberate cruelty, we talked and argued, and at the very end he gave this terrifying scream and disappeared. But that wasn’t an NDE. I was well and truly alive.

However I went to visit an uncle in hospital who was dying of cancer (later same year as my father died incidentally). As he lay there, under the influence of pain killing drugs, he suddenly woke up. Rather out of it, he said “Grandma’s over there, Robert!” and he pointed weakly towards the wall / ceiling junction.

I think he sensed I was a bit sceptical (I was an atheist) back then, and he cried “Oh, she is, you know!” Then he fell back. But after my own experience on the night my father died, I don’t really have any reason not to believe him.

When I was about 15 I went to visit a great-aunt who was dying in a nursing home. When I got there she was on her knees praying. She didn’t seem to open her eyes, but she said, “Always be good, Robert!” And this strange sense there was something in the room with us at the time. She was a rather saintly woman.

My old pastor once told us a story about an old parishioner of his when he was a very new pastor, in a north Queensland town somewhere. He went to see her in hospital where she was dying. She was ravaged by disease, but prayed for him. Suddenly she sat up in bed, reached out towards the far wall, cried out, “I’m coming Jesus!” and then fell back dead. He said her face lit up just before she died, and she looked like a young girl. In his words, “It was an eye-opener for a young pastor!”

I unexpectedly found a reference to this same incident years later on the net in the form of an e-book about the mission somewhere near Mossman where this must have happened. I was just looking for any references about my old pastor, and I chanced up this to my surprise.
The Passing of Isabella Hetherington
On August 31st 1946, Isabella Hetherington passed away away in Mossman hospital at the age of 75 years. Ethel Vale was with her when she died. Ps. Easton was in Brisbane on Mission business and a Brisbane Presbyterian minister, who was a Methodist minister in the north, the Rev. Robert Missenden conducted her funeral.
*“She was a beautiful woman with snowy white hair down to her waist. I was supposed to pray for her, but she prayed for me. I was with her when she died. I had read about what happened in books, but this happened before my eyes. She sat up in bed and said, ‘Lord Jesus. I am coming.’ Then she lay back and was gone.” (Hunt, 1978). *
These were not NDE’s but I don’t have much trouble some dying people are given distinct hints of the next life before they go there.

For someone to put this incident in an e-book, The incident must have made a deep impression on the pastor, and through him on the author of the e-book.
 
Have you seen or read the book, “Heaven is for Real”, Abyssinia?

The little boy has some interesting things to say after his little “trip” that does more than raise a persons eyebrow.
 
Maybe it’s something similar to what happens in dreaming. All people dream, but some never remember their dreams. The Memories fade quickly.
I also think it’s something like this.

I had an NDE. So I can verify that some people aren’t making the experience up. But I don’t make any claim as to whether or not is was anything more than my brain doing something.

Mine did not include any sort of trip to the afterlife or a nether world. It wasn’t flashy or dramatic. It had some of the elements of what people tend to consider the “classic NDE” but not all of them (apparently few have all the elements, as they are basically a collected list gleaned from hundreds of reports of NDEs) It had elements that I’ve never heard anyone else mention.

The fact that there is such a HUGE variety of experiences leads me to think that it’s not proof of any particular afterlife etc. It’s a brain thing.

Mine did have a profound effect on me, as any powerful experience or “revelation” would.
 
When my sister and I owned a restaurant in Idaho, we had good customers Fred and Eva. They were German immigrants that came over shortly after WWII and had converted to Mormonism. Fred told us an amazing story: he died and came back. He had a heart attack, and during the time his heart was stopped, had the classic near-death experience. Flying to the light through a tunnel, he heard angels making the most beautiful music. He felt peaceful and it was so beautiful, he didn’t want to return. Suddenly he found himself back in his body. He said the experience was wonderful, and has no fear of dying. He was beaming when he told this story. Fred died for good about a year later, and was tragically followed by his 4 year-old granddaughter, who died in a car accident. After Fred’s death, she constantly talked about wanting to be with Grandpa, and now she is.

My mom recently established contact with a childhood friend from New York, whom she has not seen in 70 years. This friend Verna, had a sister, Margaret, now deceased, who had TWO near death experiences. Both times she saw Our Lord and the Blessed Virgin, and Mary thanked her for making rosaries and giving them away. 🙂
 
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