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Learning the prayer…

Bénedic, Dómine, nos et haec tua dona quae de tua largitate sumus sumpturi.
Per Christum Dóminum nostrum. Amen.

I’m having trouble locating (via search here and Google) on the phonetic pronunciation. Latin is pretty phonetic anyway, but “largitate” trips me up as to which part of the word is emphasized. Largi-taaa-tee? Struggling convert here on my end.

We’re having a rather important family dinner with the much admired father-in-law. He’s sorta on his last legs. However, he history is rich. B17 gunner, tried the seminary in late 40’s, but decided family life was God’s calling. He was successful. Anyway, I’d like to say the blessing in Latin.

Any help greatly appreciated.
 
I’m not a native english-speaker, so it’s not easy to help you, but:

làr (NOT like large. This one is very difficult for americans. I can’t think of a word in english with this sound.)
-jee
-tà(as in ta-xa-tion)
-te(as in technology)
 
sicutincensum said:
I’m not a native english-speaker, so it’s not easy to help you, but:

làr (NOT like large. This one is very difficult for americans. I can’t think of a word in english with this sound.)
-jee
-tà(as in ta-xa-tion)
-te(as in technology)
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Thank you so much!
 
One last one that I may not be getting right.

“haec”

I understand that earlier Latin, language pronounce “ai” like “aisle”, but common Latin it became “ae”.

Sorry to take up electrons in this forum. I find language interesting, but grasping my father-in-laws Latin roots is a difficult but rewarding challenge.🙂
 
There is a very good pronunciation guide here, and a somewhat less-good, but more thorough, article on ecclesiastical Latin pronunciation here.

As you will see, “ae” is pronounced like the e in “bet”; and since an initial h is unpronounced, it follows that “haec” is pronounced more or less “ek” (though if you brighten the vowel a little in the direction of “ache,” that’s fine by me). As to “largitate,” I cannot agree that the nasal first a of “taxation” gives an acceptable model for the pronunciation of any a in any Latin word, ever. The a should take the value it has in “far” or “star.” The g of course is soft, as in “gee whiz,” and the final e should, again, sound like the e in bet. The r should be tapped or flapped with the tongue, like a single tap from the trilled r in Spanish “arriba” or “perro.”
 
whipp711 said:
One last one that I may not be getting right.

“haec”

I understand that earlier Latin, language pronounce “ai” like “aisle”, but common Latin it became “ae”.

Sorry to take up electrons in this forum. I find language interesting, but grasping my father-in-laws Latin roots is a difficult but rewarding challenge.🙂
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like “Hike” take a hike.

Hic haec hoc - hick, hike, hock, From what I remember of schoolboy Latin.
 
sicutincensum said:
I’m not a native english-speaker, so it’s not easy to help you, but:

làr (NOT like large. This one is very difficult for americans. I can’t think of a word in english with this sound.)
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I think you’re referring to the “a” but do you give the Romano sound to the “r”?
 
triumphguy said:
like “Hike” take a hike.

Hic haec hoc - hick, hike, hock, From what I remember of schoolboy Latin.
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Are you thinking Classical or Ecclesiastical pronunciation? Becayse the letter h is rarely pronounced in Ecclesiastical.

OP, /ek/ like the last two sounds of speck would be correct for Ecclesiastical.

The a sound is like a Spanish a, if you happen to know Spanish.

Hope it goes well for your father–what a nice gesture 🙂
 
Largitate

Based on ewtn.com/expert/answers/ecclesiastical_latin.htm

Lar- lar as in larceny
gi- as in gee whiz!
ta- tah as phonetically equivalent to the “to” in “toddler”
te- tay as in the ta in tater chips.

phonetically: largeetahtay, but flowing and beautifully of course. 😉

Being a prayer, and not some early Roman secular account or phrase, it should not be pronounced classically, but ecclesiastically.
 
jonbhorton said:
Largitate

Based on ewtn.com/expert/answers/ecclesiastical_latin.htm
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Nice page, but it had me a bit confused. I never learned ecclesiastical pronunciation, only classical (I study Latin in college). Is there really no difference in pronunciation of the vowels between long and short? The site makes it clear that “e” is always as in “met,” but I could not imagine pronouncing long "e"s that way, nor could I imagine pronouncing short "i"s as in “leek.” There would also be ambiguity in the language.

Could some well-versed in ecclesiastical pronunciation help me out?
 
Baelor said:
Nice page, but it had me a bit confused. I never learned ecclesiastical pronunciation, only classical (I study Latin in college). Is there really no difference in pronunciation of the vowels between long and short? The site makes it clear that “e” is always as in “met,” but I could not imagine pronouncing long "e"s that way, nor could I imagine pronouncing short "i"s as in “leek.” There would also be ambiguity in the language.

Could some well-versed in ecclesiastical pronunciation help me out?
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This expands more:

preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Introductio/Pronunciatio.html
 
jonbhorton said:
Largitate

Based on ewtn.com/expert/answers/ecclesiastical_latin.htm

Lar- lar as in larceny
gi- as in gee whiz!
ta- tah as phonetically equivalent to the “to” in “toddler”
te- tay as in the ta in tater chips.

phonetically: largeetahtay, but flowing and beautifully of course. 😉

Being a prayer, and not some early Roman secular account or phrase, it should not be pronounced classically, but ecclesiastically.
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I agree although I am not sure what you mean by your tah.

I would say
lar-jee-ta-tay with the ta as in tar
I attend Latin mass and sing in the schola.
 
petrel said:
I agree although I am not sure what you mean by your tah.

I would say
lar-jee-ta-tay with the ta as in tar
I attend Latin mass and sing in the schola.
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My original:
Largitate
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Based on ewtn.com/expert/answers/e…ical_latin.htm
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Lar- lar as in larceny
gi- as in gee whiz!
ta- tah as phonetically equivalent to the “to” in "toddler"
te- tay as in the ta in tater chips.
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phonetically: largeetahtay, but flowing and beautifully of course.
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I hear the same sound in my head with both the way we have it written. I was sticking with words beginning with the same letter so as to preserve to transition from the consonant to the vowel, discounting potential colloquial dialects which might cause an aberration in the sound.

Was hoping it would be understood I was attempting to work in the boundaries of the pronunciation guide links I posted.

I would defer to you given your frequency of use and exposure to the language in the choir.
 
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