Need advice explaining homosexual relationship to a child diplomatically

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So here is my dilemma. I am Catholic and am raising her as Catholic. I need to explain to her what homosexuality is, but not in a way to demonize or make her father seem bad. We have shared custody and he is a good father. Any suggestions on how to approach this? Are there any resources? Maybe I should schedule a meeting with my priest for some guidance? I thought to leave it to her dad to explain, but I think I would like to explain it as well.
I cannot stress enough how much you need a professional counselor with specific training in coping with situations like yours. The longer you wait, the more confused you daughter will become. I also would highly recommend that you seek the advice of your priest.

Luna
 
Thanks again… I guess my dilemma is, while I can ask him to stop the PDA, he most likely won’t. Obviously he and I aren’t on the same wavelength morally, so I will never be able to argue the moral ground.

Remember, in the eyes of the state, we are divorced. So him kissing a man (or woman) is not legally wrong (think adultery laws)… Legally he can even remarry if he wanted to (gay marriage isn’t legal where I am, but I am using that as an example).

I can ask and hope he agrees, but I don’t think he will. So I have to deal with reality as it is and the best way I can–if that makes any sense. I didn’t want to have to explain this to her this early in life (I am not even ready to talk to her about the birds and the bees–other than “bad” touching).
No one is saying what he is doing is illegal. You daughter is saying that it bothers her.

If he will not change because you tell him that his daughter has told you it bothers her, then when your daughter brings the matter up it will be time to teach her how to advocate for her own boundaries. Teach her right from wrong, teach her that sometimes we have to put up with people who don’t want to respect our feelings but that we can still tell them what those feelings are, teach her that some things are difficult to explain now, but will be something you can explain to her later in life, and go from there.

If he and his friend don’t listen to you, one of them might listen to her. That will stop it.
 
I would talk to your ex-husband about his choice to overtly come out with her without discussing it with you first. I would recommend focusing on your common ground: concerns that she doesn’t yet understand sexuality, and that you are trying to raise her Catholic. I would emphasis that the Church teaches both mercy and tolerance (that we are to love everyone), but also to acknowledge that certain lifestyles are sinful. It is a delicate balance to teach that to children or to anyone. It very easily tends to either deny the sin or to lean on the side of anger simply because human nature is not naturally very merciful. Its far easier to say no one did anything wrong than to be authentically merciful.

In the end, you need to emphasis that by being raised by both of you, she will be exposed to him and his behavior (with its virtues and vices) and you and your behavior with its virtues and vices. You do not want to be demonized nor do you want your faith to be demonized just as much as he doesn’t want his choices to be demonized as well.
 
I’m so sorry you are facing this. 😦

I tend to err on the side of more information, because I would worry that without it, she would gradually absorb the understanding that her father’s behavior is normal. And then when she’s older and has already accepted it (and possibly figured the other details out before you could tell her), it might be harder to convince her that your perspective is correct.

My explanation to a 7yo would be something like, “You know how many children have a mommy and a daddy who live together and who love each other? Well sometimes people who are not married want to act like they are married. It’s not right to do that, because God made men and women to get married to each other (let child respond about how much sense that makes), but as you know, sometimes people do things they shouldn’t. (you can talk about wrong choices that even children make, and say that sometimes adults make very big wrong choices) Well every now and then, a man will want to act like he is married to another man instead of another woman. That’s wrong too - because God made men to marry women, not other men. (let child respond about how much sense it makes, given that babies come from mommies) Daddies should be married to mommies. But sometimes people’s thinking doesn’t work quite right, and they get mixed up. Daddy is one of those people. For some reason, he wants to act like he is married to this other man. I am sad for Daddy because I know that it’s not good for him to want to act like he is married to another man. But I think that his thinking is mixed up, and I hope that someday his thinking will get un-mixed up. You can pray for his thinking to get un-mixed up someday too, but you don’t have to worry about it. Even though he’s your daddy, he’s still a person, and sometimes people make wrong choices.”
I would really caution against telling a 7-year-old that her dad is wrong, sinful, etc. You need to be on the same page with her dad. You can personally disagree with him as the mother of the child, but I don’t think that you should start to paint him in a negative light. If you tell your daughter that he is “living in sin” and things of that ilk, she’s eventually going to be old enough to start relaying these thoughts to him. And then the dad might start to tell the daughter things like, “Your mother is close-minded. She is trying to turn you away from my partner and me.” You need to work together with her dad and not confuse the daughter with so many differing ideologies. Let her choose for herself how she feels about her dad and his partner. As for now, I would keep it simple and explain things truthfully as she asks without peppering in too much of your own opinion. If your daughter feels that she has to choose between two ideologies and hurt one parent in the process things are going to get very messy, and it will be an unfair strain on your daughter. When she’s old enough, you can let her know your feelings, but I really don’t think that you should add a lot of opinion right now, until she’s old enough to decide for herself. Remember, many people in this world (myself included) are fine with homosexuals and feel that a loving God would not want to deny them love. If you spend a lot of time preaching against her father and calling him a sinner, I’d say there will be a good chance that she will start ignoring you and completely take the side of dad and his partner. I really think that the key is working with her father; don’t turn things into a battle and have your daughter feel lost in the middle. It’s just not fair to her.

Edited to add: If your daughter is uncomfortable with some of her dad’s actions right now, then you should kindly tell him. I don’t think he’ll want to upset her; perhaps he will talk to her himself.
 
I would really caution against telling a 7-year-old that her dad is wrong, sinful, etc. You need to be on the same page with her dad. You can personally disagree with him as the mother of the child, but I don’t think that you should start to paint him in a negative light. If you tell your daughter that he is “living in sin” and things of that ilk, she’s eventually going to be old enough to start relaying these thoughts to him. And then the dad might start to tell the daughter things like, “Your mother is close-minded. She is trying to turn you away from my partner and me.” You need to work together with her dad and not confuse the daughter with so many differing ideologies. Let her choose for herself how she feels about her dad and his partner. As for now, I would keep it simple and explain things truthfully as she asks without peppering in too much of your own opinion. If your daughter feels that she has to choose between two ideologies and hurt one parent in the process things are going to get very messy, and it will be an unfair strain on your daughter. **When she’s old enough, you can let her know your feelings, but I really don’t think that you should add a lot of opinion right now, until she’s old enough to decide for herself. ** Remember, many people in this world (myself included) are fine with homosexuals and feel that a loving God would not want to deny them love. If you spend a lot of time preaching against her father and calling him a sinner, I’d say there will be a good chance that she will start ignoring you and completely take the side of dad and his partner. I really think that the key is working with her father; don’t turn things into a battle and have your daughter feel lost in the middle. It’s just not fair to her.

Edited to add: If your daughter is uncomfortable with some of her dad’s actions right now, then you should kindly tell him. I don’t think he’ll want to upset her; perhaps he will talk to her himself.
There just isn’t any good way to proceed with this. If the OP says little, then the father and his BF (and the next one, and the next one) can have unimpeded access to the little girl’s mind, heart and emotions, and thoroughly brainwash her to believe that they are doing NOTHING WRONG and that the world is against them and they are victims.

And if the OP tells her daughter the truth, which is that what Daddy is doing is not right, then the little girl has lost her father anyway. Daddy will get angry if she says anything, and if she doesn’t say anything, she’d going to be scarred just knowing that her father is living a deviant lifestyle (not saying she will understand “deviant” as a concept yet).

Any way the OP goes, her daughter is going to suffer from having a gay dad. It’s horrible.
 
She dosobeys the court order he will be given full custody.
Yes, that’s my point.

This is one of what it seems will be an increasing number of situations where Christians who simply want to practise their religion and raise their children with the moral virtues will have no real option but to transgress against unjust civil laws. Supposedly democratic countries are becoming totalitarian in such matters.
 
There just isn’t any good way to proceed with this. If the OP says little, then the father and his BF (and the next one, and the next one) can have unimpeded access to the little girl’s mind, heart and emotions, and thoroughly brainwash her to believe that they are doing NOTHING WRONG and that the world is against them and they are victims.

And if the OP tells her daughter the truth, which is that what Daddy is doing is not right, then the little girl has lost her father anyway. Daddy will get angry if she says anything, and if she doesn’t say anything, she’d going to be scarred just knowing that her father is living a deviant lifestyle (not saying she will understand “deviant” as a concept yet).

Any way the OP goes, her daughter is going to suffer from having a gay dad. It’s horrible.
I’m not sure why you would assume that there will be multiple boyfriends. Perhaps the girl’s father and his partner will be together for the long run. Anyway, I’d like to point to the portion that I bolded. Many people do believe that they are doing nothing wrong and that homosexuals are being victimized. I’m liberal in this arena. I have quite a few homosexual friends, and I just can’t see them as disordered or wrong. But my views are irrelevant. You say that you don’t want the dad and partner to brainwash the daughter, but if the mother gives her opinions, then isn’t that brainwashing too? Let’s look at it this way: If the dad imparts his opinions, then it’s brainwashing, but if the mother gives the views that are in accordance with her religion, then it’s acceptable? I’m sorry, but anyone could turn it around and say that the mother is brainwashing. This little girl’s life will be different from the norm, but different doesn’t have to mean bad. She’ll have the support of her mother and the dad and partner. I think, however, if the situation turns to having the parents bashing each other and not being able to remain neutral, then it will be upsetting and unfair to the little girl. I’m going to assume that the mother feels that homosexuality is wrong, while the dad and partner do not. Both parties are entitled to their beliefs, but I don’t think it’s fair to get the daughter mixed up in these differing ideologies. Both parties should focus on the little girl and do their best to explain things honestly and in an age-appropriate manner, but the real task is going to be in remaining cordial and not making the girl feel like she has to choose her mother’s religion over her dad’s lifestyle.
 
Yes, that’s my point.

This is one of what it seems will be an increasing number of situations where Christians who simply want to practise their religion and raise their children with the moral virtues will have no real option but to transgress against unjust civil laws. Supposedly democratic countries are becoming totalitarian in such matters.
Except that this is not a stranger, this is the child’s father and he has the exact same right she does to pass on his beliefs and values. The OP is not being persecuted and the government is not being totalitarian. In fact, it would be far more totalitarian if it came in and told him what values he could pass on to his daughter.
 
Except that this is not a stranger, this is the child’s father and he has the exact same right she does to pass on his beliefs and values. The OP is not being persecuted and the government is not being totalitarian. In fact, it would be far more totalitarian if it came in and told him what values he could pass on to his daughter.
Agreed.

This is pretty much what I was getting at with my above post, but you said it more succinctly.
 
I’m not sure why you would assume that there will be multiple boyfriends. Perhaps the girl’s father and his partner will be together for the long run. Anyway, I’d like to point to the portion that I bolded. Many people do believe that they are doing nothing wrong and that homosexuals are being victimized. I’m liberal in this arena. I have quite a few homosexual friends, and I just can’t see them as disordered or wrong. But my views are irrelevant. You say that you don’t want the dad and partner to brainwash the daughter, but if the mother gives her opinions, then isn’t that brainwashing too? Let’s look at it this way: If the dad imparts his opinions, then it’s brainwashing, but if the mother gives the views that are in accordance with her religion, then it’s acceptable? I’m sorry, but anyone could turn it around and say that the mother is brainwashing. This little girl’s life will be different from the norm, but different doesn’t have to mean bad. She’ll have the support of her mother and the dad and partner. I think, however, if the situation turns to having the parents bashing each other and not being able to remain neutral, then it will be upsetting and unfair to the little girl. I’m going to assume that the mother feels that homosexuality is wrong, while the dad and partner do not. Both parties are entitled to their beliefs, but I don’t think it’s fair to get the daughter mixed up in these differing ideologies. Both parties should focus on the little girl and do their best to explain things honestly and in an age-appropriate manner, but the real task is going to be in remaining cordial and not making the girl feel like she has to choose her mother’s religion over her dad’s lifestyle.
This!
 
This past weekend was gay pride week and my husband (or ex husband since we are divorced now) came out of the closet, finally and publicly. I knew as his wife, and figured it was why he left me, but he was never public about it.

Anyway, he introduced me to his boyfriend and he seems like a nice man. He’s very feminine and likes to do art projects with my daughter on weekends with her dad (they made me a nice picture frame together).

Until this weekend, my daughter (who is seven-years-old) never knew about her dad… and she really has no idea what homosexuality is either. She figured daddy’s boyfriend was just a friend… not a lover. She doesn’t even know sexuality in general. Anyway, when she was with her dad this weekend (with his boyfriend) they did some kissing and public displays of affection. I picked her up from school and she told me about it and how it made her uncomfortable. She is asking me questions now and I am not sure what to say. I thought I would know what to say, but it doesn’t make sense to her.

There are tons of resources that are age appropriate out there. I would suggest you get with her dad first and decide who to teach her and on what level about homosexuality. Most children are loving and accepting if they are taught to be that way from their parents. Just Google it and you will find many books and resources.
So here is my dilemma. I am Catholic and am raising her as Catholic. I need to explain to her what homosexuality is, but not in a way to demonize or make her father seem bad. We have shared custody and he is a good father. Any suggestions on how to approach this? Are there any resources? Maybe I should schedule a meeting with my priest for some guidance? I thought to leave it to her dad to explain, but I think I would like to explain it as well.

Thanks!
 
I would really caution against telling a 7-year-old that her dad is wrong, sinful, etc. You need to be on the same page with her dad…
OTOH, this could also be a time to teach one’s child that having a moral code does not mean we control other people or that we have any reason not to be patient and kind to those who have a different moral code or even those who fail to follow even the moral code they say themselves is right. Being able to say this action or that is right or wrong is not license to say that we can read their heart or get to judge what God thinks of someone else. I think the OP can honestly say that her ex-husband is trying to do his best to do the right thing, or is doing so as much as the error-prone people we all are have this way of doing.

This is a time to teach your child that a person doing everything wrong but who does none of it with the desire to indulge himself instead of what God wants for him could be judged by God better than people who seem on the outside to be keeping all the rules but do so in order to make themselves seem better than other people instead of out of love for God and neighbor. So if you’re going to teach a child right from wrong, go all the way and teach them that reading hearts is first, last, and always reserved for God and out of the reach of anyone else to do rightly, even the highest angel or the wisest and holiest human being, save God Himself, and that every last person, no matter how good or how bad, is a soul that God thirsts to be in love with forever and always.
 
I’m not sure why you would assume that there will be multiple boyfriends. Perhaps the girl’s father and his partner will be together for the long run. Anyway, I’d like to point to the portion that I bolded. Many people do believe that they are doing nothing wrong and that homosexuals are being victimized. I’m liberal in this arena. I have quite a few homosexual friends, and I just can’t see them as disordered or wrong. But my views are irrelevant. You say that you don’t want the dad and partner to brainwash the daughter, but if the mother gives her opinions, then isn’t that brainwashing too? Let’s look at it this way: If the dad imparts his opinions, then it’s brainwashing, but if the mother gives the views that are in accordance with her religion, then it’s acceptable? I’m sorry, but anyone could turn it around and say that the mother is brainwashing. This little girl’s life will be different from the norm, but different doesn’t have to mean bad. She’ll have the support of her mother and the dad and partner. I think, however, if the situation turns to having the parents bashing each other and not being able to remain neutral, then it will be upsetting and unfair to the little girl. I’m going to assume that the mother feels that homosexuality is wrong, while the dad and partner do not. Both parties are entitled to their beliefs, but I don’t think it’s fair to get the daughter mixed up in these differing ideologies. Both parties should focus on the little girl and do their best to explain things honestly and in an age-appropriate manner, but the real task is going to be in remaining cordial and not making the girl feel like she has to choose her mother’s religion over her dad’s lifestyle.
Unlikely. The media has taken to portraying the life of gay men as being just like that of heterosexual couples, but it isn’t like that, by and large. Of course HIV/AIDS did change the behavior of many gay men, for a while, but gay men are well known to be very promiscuous - many of them have multiple sexual encounters even withing a “committed” relationship.

It’s not that the mother “feels” that homosexuality is wrong. If you believe what God tells us, even if you believe in what nature tells us, homosexuality IS wrong. The nature of a woman and a man are to “fit together” and be able to procreate.

But I’m sure I’m not going to change your mind. This situation is beyond any 7 year old’s ability to understand. She’s been dragged into it and she’ll have to cope somehow, but the OP and her ex should not expect that she will handle it well. What child could?
 
Except that this is not a stranger, this is the child’s father and he has the exact same right she does to pass on his beliefs and values. The OP is not being persecuted and the government is not being totalitarian. In fact, it would be far more totalitarian if it came in and told him what values he could pass on to his daughter.
Just because he is her biological father (a role he has clearly rejected except for when it suits him to pretend) does not give him the right to do or say anything to his daughter. The child’s rights come first.
 
Unlikely. The media has taken to portraying the life of gay men as being just like that of heterosexual couples, but it isn’t like that, by and large. Of course HIV/AIDS did change the behavior of many gay men, for a while, but gay men are well known to be very promiscuous - many of them have multiple sexual encounters even withing a “committed” relationship.

It’s not that the mother “feels” that homosexuality is wrong. If you believe what God tells us, even if you believe in what nature tells us, homosexuality IS wrong. The nature of a woman and a man are to “fit together” and be able to procreate.

But I’m sure I’m not going to change your mind. This situation is beyond any 7 year old’s ability to understand. She’s been dragged into it and she’ll have to cope somehow, but the OP and her ex should not expect that she will handle it well. What child could?
You are right. Interestingly, the girl has already voiced to her Mom that it is “weird”.

It is really awful that a child should be exposed to this. And I would feel same if Dad had sleep overs with another woman. I still put it on the Dad but Mom is going to have to handle this with probably more of a sacrifice than she’s expecting.

The girl is going to be conflicted with Dad’s behavior. Mom is going to have watch her behaviour too if and when she gets involved with someone else.

When you were divorced, did you know at that time and were there restricitons put on him regarding visitation?
 
I would really caution against telling a 7-year-old that her dad is wrong, sinful, etc. You need to be on the same page with her dad.
Thing is, she can’t possibly be on the same page as the dad on this issue.

In fact, while I agree that discussing the wrongs of a parent needs to be done with great caution, there are times when it can’t be avoided. I’ll give you a couple of examples that are perhaps less controversial.

Let’s say a man is an alcoholic, and the child is witness to bad behavior because of it. It is perfectly appropriate for the mother to discuss with the child that Daddy has a problem, and it makes him not think correctly sometimes. That doesn’t change the requirement to respect daddy, but it helps make sense of behavior that is not right. (That’s actually why I use the term “mixed up thinking” in my original suggestion, because it avoids vilifying the dad). A mother shouldn’t pretend that nothing is wrong, and let her child grow up to think that Daddy’s drinking, or Daddy’s bad behavior when he’s drunk is ok. That could be dangerous for the child.

Let’s say that my dh is working on the car in the driveway, something bad happens under the hood, and he lets out a stream of expletives that my young child hears. Then my young child asks me what those words mean. I would tell my child that those are bad words that she should never say. I would also say that grown ups shouldn’t say those words either, but sometimes they make mistakes or make wrong choices. Just because Daddy made that wrong choice doesn’t mean it’s ok to say it, it just means that Daddy is human and can make wrong choices. I would not entertain any denigration of Daddy, or a discussion of Daddy’s sin that extends into disrespect. If there was any inkling of that I would immediately reinforce that just by him being Daddy, he deserves her full respect. A 7yo is capable of understanding that Daddy is to be respected because he is Daddy, but that Daddy also sins. My 6yo knows that about me. Aren’t all parents sinners? My kids are witness to some of my sins, and I don’t sugarcoat them. If a parent wants to be known as not sinning, they they best not sin in front of their children.

Of course, the better situation would’ve been for this not to have come up at all until she was much older. But since the dad is the one who committed the sin right in front of the child, he opened the door, and now it’s got to be dealt with truthfully, or the 7yo’s conscience will be mal-formed. The OP is responsible for the formation of her child’s conscience. Malformation is not an acceptable option, even if it means having to admit the unpleasant fact that Daddy is a sinner or that he has a problem.
 
Thanks again everyone… I decided for my first step I would contact my husband (ex husband really… I say husband because the marriage isn’t annulled but legally he’s my ex).

I tried calling him a few times, with no luck. So I opted for e-mail which wasn’t my first choice–but I need to address this before the weekend when she sees him again. I think I will mainly let him know the PDAs are disturbing to our daughter and it’s making her not want to be with him. Hopefully that will address the immediate concern of her feeling uncomfortable.

I think if her dad was seeing another woman, she would still have concerns and not like things–but the homosexuality is an added layer since it’s something she has no knowledge of (she knows boys and girls fall in love–it’s in every Disney movie and is the norm in our culture). So it’s kind of a double whammy of her dad moving on and this new concept of same sex relations that she’s facing.

I’ll meet with my priest too and see what advice he can give me. Like I said, my main concerns are my daughter and not damaging the father/daughter relationship. He might not be the perfect Catholic dad–but he still is her father. My biggest fear is if he goes down the path of extreme subculture and cuts her out of his life. He’s already seeing her less and less (he only takes her about 2/3 of the time he’s entitled to under our decree). I’ve known people to do that (when they discover they are gay, they cut themselves off from everyone they once knew–in some cases, including their children).
 
Like I said, my main concerns are my daughter and not damaging the father/daughter relationship.
And this is why your situation is screaming out for professional counseling. I hope for your daughter’s sake she’s getting it.

Luna
 
And this is why your situation is screaming out for professional counseling. I hope for your daughter’s sake she’s getting it.

Luna
I agree, but I specify counseling with a Catholic counselor. A secular counselor would likely say her father’s choice is a legitimate lifestyle choice and not see the problems a Catholic counselor would handle.
 
Anyway, when she was with her dad this weekend (with his boyfriend) they did some kissing and public displays of affection. I picked her up from school and she told me about it and how it made her uncomfortable. She is asking me questions now and I am not sure what to say. I thought I would know what to say, but it doesn’t make
Do you know exactly what made her uncomfortable? Was it that her father was showing affection to another man - or could it be that he was showing affection to anyone that wasn’t you? or even that he was showing affection in public - or in front of her?

If he had been dating a woman - and done exactly what was done in front of your daughter - would you still have a dilemma? And how would you deal with that?

I agree with Et Cetera and BlueEyedLady. Good or bad, this man is her father. You don’t want to undermine her love for him. And, if this were to become a battle of your lifestyle verses his, he could do his best to undermine you if he were so inclined.

You both love your daughter. So what is it that you can agree on? What things are you willing to keep private - not always because you feel it is wrong - but because you want to keep it private. Your ex may be able to understand that. Many people who date - and even those who sleep with their partners - do not introduce that person to their children until they are certain the relationship is destined to be long-term. They do this - not because they are ashamed - but because they don’t want the turmoil of these broken relationships. Perhaps your ex can agree on that - that neither of you introduces partners to your child for some period of time.

Now, i have a 7 year old boy - so i am familiar with that age. If it is the homosexuality that you thinks bothers your daughter - then i would be upfront but nonjudgemental. If my son were to ask me - first i would ask him what was bothering him. Then i would ask him why it bothered him. Then if it were the idea of her father kissing another man, I would tell her what i believe. “I believe that God made men and women. I believe that God intended for a man to be with a woman. But not everyone believes the same God that I believe in, and some don’t see the world as I do. But I do know that God created every one of us - and he loves us all. And your father and I both love you. Sometimes we may not be able to agree with each other - but that is one thing we both agree on. I won’t criticize your father - I want you to love him.”

And then i would wait for questions - they may come today or two years from now. And I would answer those questions as they arise. I would be honest.
 
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