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Hello Everyone,

Well I’m here again on this forum, because I am a bit lost. A couple years back I visited a Monastery in Europe, and while I was there I borrowed a copy of their Breviary, which was also in their language.

Now I’m no longer there, but now In an English speaking country, and I’m also still figuring out if Monastic life is really for me. I think it would be worth buying one for myself. So my question is, how do Breviaries come? Do they come with different versions / translations as bibles do? I’m asking as the only Breviary I had ever used was that one back at the monastery, and I barely understood it as it was in a different language.

There is a local monastery close to where I now live, which has a shop (I assume they sell breviaries). The problem is, If I do go there and look for one, I would not know which to buy.

Is anyone willing to advise a me about breviaries, and which one to buy? I would appreciate some help. Thank you!
 
Until the experts chime in, here is a short answer:

The Roman Catholic Church uses two breviaries for its diocesan priests: the common “Liturgy of the Hours” and allowed since 2007, the pre-Vatican II “Roman Breviary” of 1960.

That’s for your parish priest, bishop, pope, etc.

But monks, nuns, and religious brothers and sisters often have their own versions of the breviary. I don’t know which orders have their own and which uses the Liturgy of the Hours so I’d ask a member of the group you’re interested in joining. If you don’t know which group you want to join, I’d uses one of the two I listed above, if you’re just interested in trying it out.

Also, for the private devotions of laypeople, you’ll find more or less abridged versions of the Liturgy of the Hours and the Roman Breviary. I have one of the later with just the morning, evening, and night offices.

Best wishes in your discernment. I’ll pray for you at Mass tonight.
 
Hello Everyone,

Well I’m here again on this forum, because I am a bit lost. A couple years back I visited a Monastery in Europe, and while I was there I borrowed a copy of their Breviary, which was also in their language.

Now I’m no longer there, but now In an English speaking country, and I’m also still figuring out if Monastic life is really for me. I think it would be worth buying one for myself. So my question is, how do Breviaries come? Do they come with different versions / translations as bibles do? I’m asking as the only Breviary I had ever used was that one back at the monastery, and I barely understood it as it was in a different language.

There is a local monastery close to where I now live, which has a shop (I assume they sell breviaries). The problem is, If I do go there and look for one, I would not know which to buy.

Is anyone willing to advise a me about breviaries, and which one to buy? I would appreciate some help. Thank you!
If you are looking for a monastic breviary, you might consider the Monastic Diurnal.
saintlaurenceosb.org/documents/diurnaltutorial.pdf
amazon.com/Monastic-Diurnal-Day-Hours-Breviary/dp/B0081RF48W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352664871&sr=8-1&keywords=monastic+diurnal

Of course, each individual monastery will tend to develop their own breviary, or at least in the same congregation (if we are talking Benedictines anyway), so this diurnal will not match up directly, but will certainly give you a good idea what it might be like to pray as the monks do. There is a yahoo list serv group (trad ben) that you might sign up for as they provide info on how to pray the diurnal properly.
 
Until the experts chime in, here is a short answer:

The Roman Catholic Church uses two breviaries for its diocesan priests: the common “Liturgy of the Hours” and allowed since 2007, the pre-Vatican II “Roman Breviary” of 1960.

That’s for your parish priest, bishop, pope, etc.

But monks, nuns, and religious brothers and sisters often have their own versions of the breviary. I don’t know which orders have their own and which uses the Liturgy of the Hours so I’d ask a member of the group you’re interested in joining. If you don’t know which group you want to join, I’d uses one of the two I listed above, if you’re just interested in trying it out.

Also, for the private devotions of laypeople, you’ll find more or less abridged versions of the Liturgy of the Hours and the Roman Breviary. I have one of the later with just the morning, evening, and night offices.

Best wishes in your discernment. I’ll pray for you at Mass tonight.
Thank you! I will see what is available then, and choose one accordingly. Would you mind telling me which one you use (name etc)?
 
If you are looking for a monastic breviary, you might consider the Monastic Diurnal.
saintlaurenceosb.org/documents/diurnaltutorial.pdf
amazon.com/Monastic-Diurnal-Day-Hours-Breviary/dp/B0081RF48W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352664871&sr=8-1&keywords=monastic+diurnal

Of course, each individual monastery will tend to develop their own breviary, or at least in the same congregation (if we are talking Benedictines anyway), so this diurnal will not match up directly, but will certainly give you a good idea what it might be like to pray as the monks do. There is a yahoo list serv group (trad ben) that you might sign up for as they provide info on how to pray the diurnal properly.
Thank you! I had no idea that different monasteries developed their own breviary. I was under the impression that there are “generic ones” which different orders use. Seems I was wrong. Is there any such thing as a “generic breviary” then?

My idea is to get used to reading something, so It really won’t matter what I do read. IF I do join a monastery eventually, I could always switch to their version.
 
Thank you! I will see what is available then, and choose one accordingly. Would you mind telling me which one you use (name etc)?
I use a copy of the 1960 Roman Breviary that is sold on lulu.com, meaning its an inexpensive hardback reprint of the original. I believe the original was intended to be a layman’s copy because it has only three of the seven daily offices (the one’s easiest for a working man to pray) and it has English side-by-side with the Latin so you can understanding what you pray. I’ll see if I can find a link to the original product later.
 
You can pray the Roman Breviary online for free. All you have to do is click on this site: universalis.com/ It goes to the correct day of the year. Then you click on wha hour you want to pray, and it automatically goes to all the prayers for that hour.

If you want to buy one, there is the full four volume set which is expenssive. Alternately, if you are not interesterd in praying Offfice of Readings, you can buy Christian Prayer It is inexpensive. If hey don’t have them at the religous supply store, they might order one of them for you, or you can buy them online at amazon.com
 
Thank you! I had no idea that different monasteries developed their own breviary. I was under the impression that there are “generic ones” which different orders use. Seems I was wrong. Is there any such thing as a “generic breviary” then?

My idea is to get used to reading something, so It really won’t matter what I do read. IF I do join a monastery eventually, I could always switch to their version.
The generic, so to speak, monastic breviary in the Benedictine Tradition is the one I linked above. Secondly, if you do join a monastery, you will most certainly be praying their version, but the Monastic Diurnal would give you a solid background in the tradition of praying the office as the monks do. You may also wish to consider reading the Holy Rule of St. Benedict along with a good commentary (I can recommend some if you are interested). The Patriarch spends a large part of the Rule discussing the manner in which the office is to be compiled and prayed. However, since the Abbot takes the place of Christ in the monastery, St. Benedict gives the him the flexibility to structure the office as he sees fit. Therefore, the monks pray whatever form of the office the abbot decides is proper for his community.

Peace,
 
The generic, so to speak, monastic breviary in the Benedictine Tradition is the one I linked above. Secondly, if you do join a monastery, you will most certainly be praying their version, but the Monastic Diurnal would give you a solid background in the tradition of praying the office as the monks do. You may also wish to consider reading the Holy Rule of St. Benedict along with a good commentary (I can recommend some if you are interested). The Patriarch spends a large part of the Rule discussing the manner in which the office is to be compiled and prayed. However, since the Abbot takes the place of Christ in the monastery, St. Benedict gives the him the flexibility to structure the office as he sees fit. Therefore, the monks pray whatever form of the office the abbot decides is proper for his community.

Peace,
The Monastic Diurnal is “generic” but the links given are the pre-Vatican II Monastic Office. The current Monastic Office follows the current liturgical calendar and allows the psalms of Prime to be redistributed into other hours with a couple of different options.

For the post-Vatican II Monastic breviary the “official” version is the Monastic Antiphonary put out by Solesmes starting in 2005, in 5 volumes. Presently only 4 are available, Vigils is still not complete, for that the 1980 Psalterium Monasticum can be used. These are published by Solesmes and all are available from there.

In addition there are 3 additional approved schemas for general use post-Vatican II:

Schema B consists of all 150 psalms on a one-week cycle though with a couple of options to spread them over 2 weeks;
Schema C says the psalter over 2 weeks;
Schema D says the psalter over 2 weeks.

The layout for those schemas can be found in the 1980 Psalterium Monasticum or Psautier Monastique (Latin-French). However much page flipping would be required. Schema B is also shared with the Cistercians. A French-only version has been published. The abbey I am associated with uses this schema, as do I occasionally when I’m not too busy (otherwise I use the 4-week current LOTH).

Many abbeys have their own schemas. The abbot has considerable latitude in this regard as you pointed out. Douai abbey in the UK for instance has a schema that has Matins (Vigils & Lauds combined) and the mid-day office on a 4-week schema very similar to the LOTH and chanted in English, with the 1934 Monastic Antiphonary with Vespers and Compline on a 1-week cycle chanted in Latin. I liked this schema very much, a mix of modern and traditional.

The vast majority of monasteries will use a post-Vatican II breviary, so the Monastic Diurnal would not fit. Even those using the traditional Benedictine Office (Schema A, like the Diurnal but with the psalms of Prime redistributed and the modern calendar), will use the post-Vatican II version. This has exactly the same liturgical year and collects as the LOTH; the Benedictine calendar is proper but is kept up to date with modern saints like the Roman calendar.

Monasteries where the Diurnal would be appropriate would be those using the EF; Clear Creek in the US, Barroux and Fontgombault in France to name a couple.

For laity, the 4-volume LOTH seems to make the most sense for busy folks. If you follow the EF Mass then the 1960 Roman Breviary would work as would the Diurnal, but they’re both a much heavier load and moreover the 1960 Roman Breviary is not at all “traditional”, it is a relatively modern Office dating back only to 1910. The Diurnal (and current Monastic Schema A) are the true “traditional” offices as their basic layout was spelled out by St Benedict himself in his Rule, approximately 1500 years ago. Vigils in the Monastic Office, takes a full hour or more if chanted, and even recited, will probably take close to 40 minutes as there are 12 psalms. As an Oblate, I find Vigils too important to pass up due to the patristic readings and the “night watch” character of the hour; I use the Office of Readings for Vigils which I recite usually at about 5:30 am on weekdays these days.

Many people disparage the current 4-weel LOTH but it really isn’t that awful and it certainly takes considerable care to consider tradition in the Divine Office, or to at least allow options that do. Moreover there are now many interesting versions of it in chant notation both in Latin, French or English, for those inclined to chant it. It’s worth a serious look.
 
The Monastic Diurnal is “generic” but the links given are the pre-Vatican II Monastic Office. The current Monastic Office follows the current liturgical calendar and allows the psalms of Prime to be redistributed into other hours with a couple of different options.

For the post-Vatican II Monastic breviary the “official” version is the Monastic Antiphonary put out by Solesmes starting in 2005, in 5 volumes. Presently only 4 are available, Vigils is still not complete, for that the 1980 Psalterium Monasticum can be used. These are published by Solesmes and all are available from there.
Interesting. I was not aware that was being made available.
The vast majority of monasteries will use a post-Vatican II breviary, so the Monastic Diurnal would not fit. Even those using the traditional Benedictine Office (Schema A, like the Diurnal but with the psalms of Prime redistributed and the modern calendar), will use the post-Vatican II version. This has exactly the same liturgical year and collects as the LOTH; the Benedictine calendar is proper but is kept up to date with modern saints like the Roman calendar.
Monasteries where the Diurnal would be appropriate would be those using the EF; Clear Creek in the US, Barroux and Fontgombault in France to name a couple.
Agreed, I never intended that they would fit, merely that it was an example of how the Monastic Office had been done in the past. As I noted above and you also mentioned, most monasteries or at least congregations, will likely have their own breviary.

For laity, the 4-volume LOTH seems to make the most sense for busy folks.

That’s what my wife and I use and I agree with you in that it works just fine and is not as awful as some would try to suggest. With the supposed coming of the new translation, it will get even better.
 
With the supposed coming of the new translation, it will get even better.
I’m lucky in that sense that I either use French or Latin, and the French translation is better. However the French hymns are, for the most part, awful. Fortunately one can use the Latin ones and in French there are two generic hymns that can be used at Lauds and Vespers of OT which aren’t half bad, and there’s a musical setting for them. However those are the two hours I do in Latin every day.
 
I’m lucky in that sense that I either use French or Latin, and the French translation is better. However the French hymns are, for the most part, awful. Fortunately one can use the Latin ones and in French there are two generic hymns that can be used at Lauds and Vespers of OT which aren’t half bad, and there’s a musical setting for them. However those are the two hours I do in Latin every day.
I’m glad that the French is better. I am trying to learn Portuguese since it is my wife’s native language. That doesn’t leave much time for Latin unfortunately. Either way, I don’t really have any major concerns with the English translation of the Divine Office. I typically do them via divineoffice.org and that seems to work well, though I often substitute the hymns they recommend.
 
Ususally breviaries come in either a simple one volume version or in a 4 volume version. If you are starting out I recommend the one volume version and get used to that. Is there a community in your area that prays the Liturgy of the Hours? Maybe you could join them.
:):)🙂
 
OP, here’s the link I promised you: lulu.com/shop/daniel-soukup/lauds-vespers-and-compline-of-the-roman-breviary-volume-i/ebook/product-17416831.html

This is the free downloadable version. I bought the hardback copy found elsewhere on this site, but you can get see what you’d be getting into with this electronic copy.

If you go to the Ordinary Form/Novus Ordo you should probably not use this breviary, however. It is based on the old liturgical calendar and will not line up with the Masses you’d hear; it’s based on the same calendar as the Extraordinary Form/Traditional Latin Mass, which I go to.
 
You can pray the Roman Breviary online for free. All you have to do is click on this site: universalis.com/ It goes to the correct day of the year. Then you click on wha hour you want to pray, and it automatically goes to all the prayers for that hour.

If you want to buy one, there is the full four volume set which is expenssive. Alternately, if you are not interesterd in praying Offfice of Readings, you can buy Christian Prayer It is inexpensive. If hey don’t have them at the religous supply store, they might order one of them for you, or you can buy them online at amazon.com
Thank you for the online link, I would prefer having an actual book. I will definitely check the store for Christian Prayer.
 
Ususally breviaries come in either a simple one volume version or in a 4 volume version. If you are starting out I recommend the one volume version and get used to that. Is there a community in your area that prays the Liturgy of the Hours? Maybe you could join them.
:):)🙂
Unfortunately there is no community nearby. I will consider getting the one volume version. Thank you.
 
The Monastic Diurnal is “generic” but the links given are the pre-Vatican II Monastic Office. The current Monastic Office follows the current liturgical calendar and allows the psalms of Prime to be redistributed into other hours with a couple of different options.

For the post-Vatican II Monastic breviary the “official” version is the Monastic Antiphonary put out by Solesmes starting in 2005, in 5 volumes. Presently only 4 are available, Vigils is still not complete, for that the 1980 Psalterium Monasticum can be used. These are published by Solesmes and all are available from there.

In addition there are 3 additional approved schemas for general use post-Vatican II:

Schema B consists of all 150 psalms on a one-week cycle though with a couple of options to spread them over 2 weeks;
Schema C says the psalter over 2 weeks;
Schema D says the psalter over 2 weeks.

The layout for those schemas can be found in the 1980 Psalterium Monasticum or Psautier Monastique (Latin-French). However much page flipping would be required. Schema B is also shared with the Cistercians. A French-only version has been published. The abbey I am associated with uses this schema, as do I occasionally when I’m not too busy (otherwise I use the 4-week current LOTH).

Many abbeys have their own schemas. The abbot has considerable latitude in this regard as you pointed out. Douai abbey in the UK for instance has a schema that has Matins (Vigils & Lauds combined) and the mid-day office on a 4-week schema very similar to the LOTH and chanted in English, with the 1934 Monastic Antiphonary with Vespers and Compline on a 1-week cycle chanted in Latin. I liked this schema very much, a mix of modern and traditional.

The vast majority of monasteries will use a post-Vatican II breviary, so the Monastic Diurnal would not fit. Even those using the traditional Benedictine Office (Schema A, like the Diurnal but with the psalms of Prime redistributed and the modern calendar), will use the post-Vatican II version. This has exactly the same liturgical year and collects as the LOTH; the Benedictine calendar is proper but is kept up to date with modern saints like the Roman calendar.

Monasteries where the Diurnal would be appropriate would be those using the EF; Clear Creek in the US, Barroux and Fontgombault in France to name a couple.

For laity, the 4-volume LOTH seems to make the most sense for busy folks. If you follow the EF Mass then the 1960 Roman Breviary would work as would the Diurnal, but they’re both a much heavier load and moreover the 1960 Roman Breviary is not at all “traditional”, it is a relatively modern Office dating back only to 1910. The Diurnal (and current Monastic Schema A) are the true “traditional” offices as their basic layout was spelled out by St Benedict himself in his Rule, approximately 1500 years ago. Vigils in the Monastic Office, takes a full hour or more if chanted, and even recited, will probably take close to 40 minutes as there are 12 psalms. As an Oblate, I find Vigils too important to pass up due to the patristic readings and the “night watch” character of the hour; I use the Office of Readings for Vigils which I recite usually at about 5:30 am on weekdays these days.

Many people disparage the current 4-weel LOTH but it really isn’t that awful and it certainly takes considerable care to consider tradition in the Divine Office, or to at least allow options that do. Moreover there are now many interesting versions of it in chant notation both in Latin, French or English, for those inclined to chant it. It’s worth a serious look.
Thank you for all the information. My original intention was to get the “4 weel LOTH”, unfortunately these things are imported where I currently live, and as a result are very expensive. I will go to the shop and get what seems affordable, until I am able to buy a more complete thing.
 
Thank you for all the information. My original intention was to get the “4 weel LOTH”, unfortunately these things are imported where I currently live, and as a result are very expensive. I will go to the shop and get what seems affordable, until I am able to buy a more complete thing.
The 4-volume is quite costly here too. However you don’t have to buy all 4 volumes at once. I spread my purchase over one year; I would buy the next volume just before that season started. You might also be able to find used examples.
 
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