S
Seamus_L
Guest
For an incident where someone has damaged property belonging to another and is refusing to make amends.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
B
Barbkw
Guest
catholicparents.org/oxcart/Examination%20of%20Conscience.pdfFor an incident where someone has damaged property belonging to another and is refusing to make amends.
That’s a mortal sin against the virtue of charity and either / both the 7th and 10th Commandment.
domestic-church.com/CONTENT.DCC/19990101/SCRMNTL/hardon.htm
M
Mark77
Guest
**"And Zacchae’us stood and said to the Lord, “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have defrauded any one of anything, I restore it fourfold.” 9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man came to seek and to save the lost.” (LK 19:8-10)
**
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
mark
**
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
mark
T
TimothyH
Guest
Dovetailing with what Mark77 said…
**2 Samuel 12:13-14 - Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan answered David: “The LORD on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the LORD by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” **
There is punishment for sin even after forgiveness. God will have his due one way or another. It’s best to suck it up now and avoid it later. Purgatory (at best) is not gonna be fun.
-Tim-
**2 Samuel 12:13-14 - Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan answered David: “The LORD on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the LORD by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” **
There is punishment for sin even after forgiveness. God will have his due one way or another. It’s best to suck it up now and avoid it later. Purgatory (at best) is not gonna be fun.
-Tim-
B
Big_Dummy
Guest
Exodus 22 (New International Version, ©2010)
Exodus 22
Protection of Property
1 [a]“Whoever steals an ox or a sheep and slaughters it or sells it must pay back five head of cattle for the ox and four sheep for the sheep.
2 “If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; 3 but if it happens after sunrise, the defender is guilty of bloodshed.
“Anyone who steals must certainly make restitution, but if they have nothing, they must be sold to pay for their theft. 4 If the stolen animal is found alive in their possession—whether ox or donkey or sheep—they must pay back double.
5 “If anyone grazes their livestock in a field or vineyard and lets them stray and they graze in someone else’s field, the offender must make restitution from the best of their own field or vineyard.
6 “If a fire breaks out and spreads into thornbushes so that it burns shocks of grain or standing grain or the whole field, the one who started the fire must make restitution.
7 “If anyone gives a neighbor silver or goods for safekeeping and they are stolen from the neighbor’s house, the thief, if caught, must pay back double. 8 But if the thief is not found, the owner of the house must appear before the judges, and they must** determine whether the owner of the house has laid hands on the other person’s property. 9 In all cases of illegal possession of an ox, a donkey, a sheep, a garment, or any other lost property about which somebody says, ‘This is mine,’ both parties are to bring their cases before the judges.[c] The one whom the judges declare[d] guilty must pay back double to the other.
10 “If anyone gives a donkey, an ox, a sheep or any other animal to their neighbor for safekeeping and it dies or is injured or is taken away while no one is looking, 11 the issue between them will be settled by the taking of an oath before the LORD that the neighbor did not lay hands on the other person’s property. The owner is to accept this, and no restitution is required. 12 But if the animal was stolen from the neighbor, restitution must be made to the owner. 13 If it was torn to pieces by a wild animal, the neighbor shall bring in the remains as evidence and shall not be required to pay for the torn animal.
14 “If anyone borrows an animal from their neighbor and it is injured or dies while the owner is not present, they must make restitution. 15 But if the owner is with the animal, the borrower will not have to pay. If the animal was hired, the money paid for the hire covers the loss.**
Exodus 22
Protection of Property
1 [a]“Whoever steals an ox or a sheep and slaughters it or sells it must pay back five head of cattle for the ox and four sheep for the sheep.
2 “If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; 3 but if it happens after sunrise, the defender is guilty of bloodshed.
“Anyone who steals must certainly make restitution, but if they have nothing, they must be sold to pay for their theft. 4 If the stolen animal is found alive in their possession—whether ox or donkey or sheep—they must pay back double.
5 “If anyone grazes their livestock in a field or vineyard and lets them stray and they graze in someone else’s field, the offender must make restitution from the best of their own field or vineyard.
6 “If a fire breaks out and spreads into thornbushes so that it burns shocks of grain or standing grain or the whole field, the one who started the fire must make restitution.
7 “If anyone gives a neighbor silver or goods for safekeeping and they are stolen from the neighbor’s house, the thief, if caught, must pay back double. 8 But if the thief is not found, the owner of the house must appear before the judges, and they must** determine whether the owner of the house has laid hands on the other person’s property. 9 In all cases of illegal possession of an ox, a donkey, a sheep, a garment, or any other lost property about which somebody says, ‘This is mine,’ both parties are to bring their cases before the judges.[c] The one whom the judges declare[d] guilty must pay back double to the other.
10 “If anyone gives a donkey, an ox, a sheep or any other animal to their neighbor for safekeeping and it dies or is injured or is taken away while no one is looking, 11 the issue between them will be settled by the taking of an oath before the LORD that the neighbor did not lay hands on the other person’s property. The owner is to accept this, and no restitution is required. 12 But if the animal was stolen from the neighbor, restitution must be made to the owner. 13 If it was torn to pieces by a wild animal, the neighbor shall bring in the remains as evidence and shall not be required to pay for the torn animal.
14 “If anyone borrows an animal from their neighbor and it is injured or dies while the owner is not present, they must make restitution. 15 But if the owner is with the animal, the borrower will not have to pay. If the animal was hired, the money paid for the hire covers the loss.**
B
Big_Dummy
Guest
Deuteronomy 17:8-13
Listen to this passage
Law Courts
8 If cases come before your courts that are too difficult for you to judge—whether bloodshed, lawsuits or assaults—take them to the place the LORD your God will choose. 9 Go to the Levitical priests and to the judge who is in office at that time. Inquire of them and they will give you the verdict. 10 You must act according to the decisions they give you at the place the LORD will choose. Be careful to do everything they instruct you to do. 11 Act according to whatever they teach you and the decisions they give you. Do not turn aside from what they tell you, to the right or to the left. 12 Anyone who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the LORD your God is to be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel. 13 All the people will hear and be afraid, and will not be contemptuous again.
giveshare.org/BibleLaw/lawhandbook/19.html
books.google.com/books?id=wIA3tH9HqY4C&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=Bible+property+damage+judges&source=bl&ots=OVO-mMhx2k&sig=bchum5sb8XSqyQQpr7KpQ8gWNlI&hl=en&ei=kIUaTdSwC5ugnAfm_7ipDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Bible%20property%20damage%20judges&f=false
Listen to this passage
Law Courts
8 If cases come before your courts that are too difficult for you to judge—whether bloodshed, lawsuits or assaults—take them to the place the LORD your God will choose. 9 Go to the Levitical priests and to the judge who is in office at that time. Inquire of them and they will give you the verdict. 10 You must act according to the decisions they give you at the place the LORD will choose. Be careful to do everything they instruct you to do. 11 Act according to whatever they teach you and the decisions they give you. Do not turn aside from what they tell you, to the right or to the left. 12 Anyone who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the LORD your God is to be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel. 13 All the people will hear and be afraid, and will not be contemptuous again.
giveshare.org/BibleLaw/lawhandbook/19.html
books.google.com/books?id=wIA3tH9HqY4C&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=Bible+property+damage+judges&source=bl&ots=OVO-mMhx2k&sig=bchum5sb8XSqyQQpr7KpQ8gWNlI&hl=en&ei=kIUaTdSwC5ugnAfm_7ipDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Bible%20property%20damage%20judges&f=false
C
Crumpy
Guest
I don’t know if the perpetrator is going to submit to Biblical admonitions and commands.
What gives you that confidence?
Put a dollar figure on this. Why not go to your local prosecutor and file a complaint for malicious destruction of property?
Or, why not go the local small claims court, whatever it may be called in your area, and file a suit for compensation?
The situation is so vague, to begin with, that it’s hard to comment. There’s so many different ways to look at this.
These disputes go to court all the time. Most people are “beyond” appealing to the morality of the situation. With all due respect, if you don’t know your Bible, then you’d better not start throwing verses around at anybody.
You’d have to do a whole lot of general evangelization of the perpretrator before any specific verses are going to have any effect.
What gives you that confidence?
Put a dollar figure on this. Why not go to your local prosecutor and file a complaint for malicious destruction of property?
Or, why not go the local small claims court, whatever it may be called in your area, and file a suit for compensation?
The situation is so vague, to begin with, that it’s hard to comment. There’s so many different ways to look at this.
These disputes go to court all the time. Most people are “beyond” appealing to the morality of the situation. With all due respect, if you don’t know your Bible, then you’d better not start throwing verses around at anybody.
You’d have to do a whole lot of general evangelization of the perpretrator before any specific verses are going to have any effect.
T
thistle
Guest
You haven’t told us why you want this or even if the person concerned is a Catholic or non-Catholic Christian.For an incident where someone has damaged property belonging to another and is refusing to make amends.
- Status
- Not open for further replies.