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I’m debating with a Baptist. I told her that Bible alone is not enough as supported by Bible itself “John 21:25” and therefore, we must also hold fast to oral tradition.

She agrued that the traditions were handed down to Israelites not to us. She said, “We are Gentiles, adopted to God’s family unlike Israelites, they are chosen people. But Israelites and Gentiles both one in the Lord now after the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ. Because Jesus did not die only for Israelites but to the whole world. -John 3.16”

She also asked me this question. Hebrews 9:27- “It is appointed unto man to die once after this the judgement”…Do you know where your soul rest after you face death? -death is real and it will happen to all of us happen whether we try to scape this.-as the scripture said, IT IS AN APPOINTMENT…

I would appreciate Catholic’s answers to her arguments and questions.
 
First she is not seeing that the compilation of books that we call the Bible would not exist if we relied on only the Bible. No Scriptural text lists out all the books which are to be considered God’s Word.

Also, Tradition was not just handed to Jews, but also to us. Look at 1 Cor 11:2 and 2 Thess 2:15, and 2 Thess 3:6. These are already converted Christians (and were Gentiles) and are being admonished to hold fast to the Traditions handed down, whether written or oral.

Does you friend have a Biblical reference that supports Sola Scriptura? Any reference at all that says “Scripture ALONE”?

This tract will help you:

catholic.com/tracts/scripture-and-tradition
 
alitaptap said:
…She also asked me this question. Hebrews 9:27- “It is appointed unto man to die once after this the judgement”…Do you know where your soul rest after you face death? -death is real and it will happen to all of us happen whether we try to scape this.-as the scripture said, IT IS AN APPOINTMENT…
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Not sure what that has to do with the Bible Alone argument? Yes, we all die. Yes, we all face judgment. And Christ told us that not all who say, “Lord, Lord!” will be saved. That kinda knocks a hole in “once saved, always saved”. So what was her point here?
 
alitaptap said:
I’m debating with a Baptist. I told her that Bible alone is not enough as supported by Bible itself “John 21:25” and therefore, we must also hold fast to oral tradition.

She agrued that the traditions were handed down to Israelites not to us. She said, “We are Gentiles, adopted to God’s family unlike Israelites, they are chosen people. But Israelites and Gentiles both one in the Lord now after the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ. Because Jesus did not die only for Israelites but to the whole world. -John 3.16”

She also asked me this question. Hebrews 9:27- “It is appointed unto man to die once after this the judgement”…Do you know where your soul rest after you face death? -death is real and it will happen to all of us happen whether we try to scape this.-as the scripture said, IT IS AN APPOINTMENT…

I would appreciate Catholic’s answers to her arguments and questions.
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It’s a common “trick” of evangelicals to ask this question.

If you show any hesitation or doubt they have a way in.

And, unlike a lot of protestant denominations, we do have doubts about our salvation, because we know we are a work in progress, and we rely on the sacraments, especially confession and the Eucharist since we believe in the reality of sin and the necessity for forgiveness. They believe that once saved always saved, so they have more “confidence” in their own salvation.

But do not mistake this “confidence” for real certainty and truth.

That resides in the Body of Christ - the Church.
 
If you think about it for one second they don’t even really have confidence in their salvation. They can’t b/c if you asked them what would happen if you were saved and then stop believing, they would say “well, you were never saved to begin with”. This leaves open the possibility that each person who thinks they are saved really isn’t b/c there is no way to know until death whether you will fall away and stop believing. They are simply fooling themselves.
 
ahs said:
First she is not seeing that the compilation of books that we call the Bible would not exist if we relied on only the Bible. No Scriptural text lists out all the books which are to be considered God’s Word.

Also, Tradition was not just handed to Jews, but also to us. Look at 1 Cor 11:2 and 2 Thess 2:15, and 2 Thess 3:6. These are already converted Christians (and were Gentiles) and are being admonished to hold fast to the Traditions handed down, whether written or oral.

Does you friend have a Biblical reference that supports Sola Scriptura? Any reference at all that says “Scripture ALONE”?

This tract will help you:

catholic.com/tracts/scripture-and-tradition
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Your response makes no sense.

Sola Scriptura presupposes a Scriptura.
 
Link0126 said:
If you think about it for one second they don’t even really have confidence in their salvation. They can’t b/c if you asked them what would happen if you were saved and then stop believing, they would say “well, you were never saved to begin with”.
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My answer is, the elect never stop believing. They are never without salvation faith.
 
William_C said:
My answer is, the elect never stop believing. They are never without salvation faith.
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Fine. But you won’t know if you are one of the elect then until you die. It does nothing to offer you any assurance or moral high ground right now.
 
Link0126 said:
Fine. But you won’t know if you are one of the elect then until you die.
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That’s not what the apostle John says (Jn 20:31; 1 Jn 5:13). Why should I not believe him?
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Link0126:
It does nothing to offer you any assurance or moral high ground right now.
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Says you.
 
William_C said:
Sola Scriptura presupposes a Scriptura.
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Right.

No one questions that this idea requires a Scriptura.

One will not find though the 16th century idea of sola Scripture in the Sacred Scriptures themselves (and the New Testament presupposes a Church) --and the Early Christians would give one a rather puzzled look if one began discussing this idea

(regarding the idea not ones time machine that one has safely hidden in a local cave).
 
Bookcat said:
Right.

No one questions that this idea requires a Scriptura.

One will not find though the 16th century idea of sola Scripture in the Sacred Scriptures themselves…
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Sure they will. That’s why many believe the doctrine: it’s reasoned from Scripture.
 
William_C said:
No it’s not.

What the early church did is not the issue. It has no bearing on the reformed doctrine of Sola Scriptura.
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One reason for me not to embrace the “reformed doctrine”

(With all love and respect for my fellow Christians)
 
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