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Hey Guys,

I Have Found These Anti-Catholic Videos And I Need Help Debunking Their False Mis-Information On The Catholic Church And The Early Church. Here Are The Links :

The Catholic church does not want you to know this information-tim sauder:
youtube.com/watch?v=8Up05usnlPM

What was the early church really like 1/2 Tim Sauder Mennonite:
youtube.com/watch?v=1WVNcUNdVdo

What was the early church really like 2/2 Tim Sauder Mennonite:
youtube.com/watch?v=NOiplKfNo7A

The Worst Videos : :mad:

Catholics are under a curse from God and don’t know it!. tim sauder Mennonite 1/2:
youtube.com/watch?v=T0eK57-7PEM

Catholics are under a curse from God…they need to know this. tim sauder Mennonite 2/2:
youtube.com/watch?v=QOXoyJXv4n0
 
Not this stuff again, d’oh!

I didn’t watch them all, but my advice is to not try debunk. Do not cast your pearls before swine. These are common myths that are dealth with reguarlyl on this site. I humbly suggest you search the forum and the Catholic.com site.

I found it funny how the creator of the video asserted that the Bible was primary, and then the Early Church writings secondary… um, yeah, and? Catholics believe this :confused: If he meant to say that the Bible comes first and then the Church… well… he needs to learn some Church history and how we got the Bible, because it certainly didn’t drop down from Heaven right after Jesus ascended.
 
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Thanks For The Help. God Bless Take Care Mate. 🙂
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I agree. Don’t bother debunking. He throws out a bunch of misinterpretations of bible verses and NOTHING of the tens of thousands of pages of writings by the early church fathers which prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the Catholic church has been there from the beginning.

And because he has backed none of his assertions with any form of historical proof whatsoever, you debunk his claims by simply pointing out the fact that he’s only offered his OPINION of what the Bible says, and no documentation to back his claims that the early church believes as he does. Leave it at that. He can’t back his claim up, so there’s nothing to “debunk” at this point.
 
Since these all videos came from a Mennonite, it would be good to know a little about the history of the Mennonites.

history.mennonite.net/

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by Prof. John D. Roth
Mennonites are a branch of the Christian church, with roots in the radical wing of the 16th century Protestant Reformation. Part of the group known as Anabaptists (because they rebaptized adult believers), the Mennonites took their name from Menno Simons, a Dutch priest who converted to the Anabaptist faith and helped lead it to prominence in Holland by the mid-16th century. Modern day Mennonites number almost 1 million worldwide, with churches in North and South America, Africa, Europe and Asia. Mennonites are known for their emphasis on issues such as peace, justice, simplicity, community, service, and mutual aid.
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The Amish split from the Mennonites in the 1600s.

The Mennonites have no more credibility than any other Protestant group, which is none. The first Baptists split from the Mennonites in Amsterdam.

This guy is totally unaware that the New Testament consists of 27 of the Catholic Church’s own writings!

Jim Dandy
Former Protestant
 
NewsTheMan said:
Not this stuff again, d’oh!

I didn’t watch them all, but my advice is to not try debunk. Do not cast your pearls before swine. These are common myths that are dealth with reguarlyl on this site. I humbly suggest you search the forum and the Catholic.com site.
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I concur, these people do not want to understand they want to intimidate Catholics and anyone contimplating becoming Catholic to stay out of the Catholic Church. Anti Catholicism is a mental and spiritual disorder. It would be much more effective to set aside a consistent time period like every Tuesday from 9pm-10pm to pray for the conversion of anti Catholics during a rosary devotional. When I pray the rosary in between each decade I pray from my heart and make my petitions known to God and the Blessed Mother prays with me and brings my prayers before the mighty throne of God. This is very effective means of converting these people.

Pax Christi,

David
 
All My Thanks And Gods Blessings To:
  1. NewsTheMan
  2. Church Militant
  3. promethius
  4. Jim Dandy
  5. davidmlamb
Great Advice From All Of You. I’ll See You Guys In Other Threads For Wonderful Info And Advice. 😉

May I Ask, What Books Or Websites Do You Recommend For A Newbie Apologist Like Me Who Is Learning His Faith More Deeply ? Thanks.
 
Not one of those guys but Alan Schreck’s “Catholic and Christian” will help you break some ground in apologetics.
 
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May I Ask, What Books Or Websites Do You Recommend For A Newbie Apologist Like Me Who Is Learning His Faith More Deeply ? Thanks.
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I have a list of several “compendium” websites that have LOTS of info on them… some of the better ones are here:

www.Catholic.com
biblechristiansociety.com/
cuf.org/faithfacts/index.asp
socrates58.blogspot.com/2009/06/catalogue-index-catholic-apologetics.html
scripturecatholic.com/
catholicconvert.com/resources/writings/steve-rays/
 
Church_Militant said:
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
What Was Authentic Early Christian Worship Really Like?
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This is a good answer to a Baptist. I apologize, you have probably heard this one before because I’ve read a number of your posts and saw some of your experience in this. I talked of these early Church services per Justin Martyr with a Pentecostal the other day. You know what he did? He said, here is an example of an early Church service and indeed points to Acts 2 which in some ways seems to be a blueprint of a Pentecostal service. This dove tails with whom Mr. Keating addresses in his books, Harvey Cox who would say early Church services resembled pep rallies going from Acts which seems to be central to their theology. Not sure what to say to this. I did point out too, Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount and the Last Supper as additionally early Church services if one goes that way.
 
You should probably point out to him that they were gathered to celebrate Pentecost, which was a Jewish liturgical holy day and was not the idea many have of a free-for-all. Also, that the actual worship takes place in Acts 2:42, and it is the breaking of bread and “the” (definite article in the Greek) prayers, implying set liturgical prayers. It’s also worth noting that the word for tongues in Acts (which implies speech or language) is not the same as the Greek word for tongues that St. Paul uses in 1 Corinthians, which implies babbling, and scholars tend to agree that St. Paul was trying to gently stamp out bad habits by gentile converts that were carryovers from paganism. Pagans tried to manipulate God with many words, babbling, repetition, etc.

They also appeared to be confusing the “love feast” that all could partake in with the Eucharist itself, which only the baptized could take part in, and were getting drunk, etc. This is not a model for the pentecostal movement, this is an example of St Paul trying to dam the river and lay some gentle, fatherly smack down by reigning them in a bit. If you want a beautiful example of Pentecostalism, read what Eusebius wrote about the Montanists. They were heretics and the fathers were disgusted by how they acted.
 
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You should probably point out to him that they were gathered to celebrate Pentecost, which was a Jewish liturgical holy day and was not the idea many have of a free-for-all. Also, that the actual worship takes place in Acts 2:42, and it is the breaking of bread and “the” (definite article in the Greek) prayers, implying set liturgical prayers. It’s also worth noting that the word for tongues in Acts (which implies speech or language) is not the same as the Greek word for tongues that St. Paul uses in 1 Corinthians, which implies babbling, and scholars tend to agree that St. Paul was trying to gently stamp out bad habits by gentile converts that were carryovers from paganism. Pagans tried to manipulate God with many words, babbling, repetition, etc.

They also appeared to be confusing the “love feast” that all could partake in with the Eucharist itself, which only the baptized could take part in, and were getting drunk, etc. This is not a model for the pentecostal movement, this is an example of St Paul trying to dam the river and lay some gentle, fatherly smack down by reigning them in a bit. If you want a beautiful example of Pentecostalism, read what Eusebius wrote about the Montanists. They were heretics and the fathers were disgusted by how they acted.
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Oh thank you, that is a very comprehensive answer! 👍
 
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