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I’m sorry…I’m confused…what use does a Catholic have for a KJV Bible? What possible benefit could you gain from purchasing one?
Sorry if this is in the wrong spot, wasn’t really sure where it should go…

Anyway, I’m saw a bible while hanging out with a friend a couple weekends ago, and it was the ‘perfect’ bible. It already belonged to someone, so I copied down the ISBN, hoping to locate it via the internet and purchase a copy…

…however, its not working. The ISBN isn’t coming up anywhere…

So I was wondering if any of you have seen this print of the bible, and if you know where I can find a copy…?

Its a burgundy color, appeared to be bound of a soft leather like material. Its a King James version, and is ‘large print’. It also has some really beautiful celtic knotwork around the edges. It’s a fairly small bible, though I ont have measurements. I think its about half the size of the regular ones…

Here’s the ISBNs…

10: 1586904659
13: 978-1586904659

Please, if anyone knows where I can find this bible…I’m pretty desperate. 🙂
 
I’m sorry…I’m confused…what use does a Catholic have for a KJV Bible? What possible benefit could you gain from purchasing one?
You’re a bit late to the party. I already answered this one.
shrug My mum was a catholic (raised me catholic) and the very first ‘adult’ bible she ever got me was a KJ version. I’ve also heard that its the most ‘poetic’ of the different versions and that the psalms in it are really beautiful…
It wasn’t until a month or so ago (when my dad tried to get me to buy a Genova Bible) that I realized there a Christian-specefic bibles…
I then go on to ask:
So I’m assuming te KJ version is a protestant bible? That means its missing books right?
So then what’s the ‘catholic’ bible?
Which was already answered.
 
Perhaps I need to start my own thread, but I have a question that’s a step back or two from the original, nonetheless prompted by the original question.

I’m embarrassed to admit that although I’m a lifelong Catholic, and have studied the bible at various points in my juvenile lifetime, I want to seriously start to read it now. I am aware that there are, of course, Protestant and Catholic versions, though I don’t know off the top of my head which translations are geared toward Catholics, and which are geared otherwise. Your commentary about what distinguishes different versions of the Catholic bibles is much appreciated. I’m not necessarily looking for an heirloom now, so would I want a study bible?

Thanks so much!
 
I would say yes. A study bible and perhaps look in to a concordance. I would also encourage you to consider a version that is in plain modern english that way the language doesn’t impede your understanding. The DR is lyrical, but I struggle with the language. A KJV bible that is nicely bound or otherwise very attractive might be good for display purposes, but if your looking to read for understanding stay away from it. But that’s just my opinion.
 
Perhaps I need to start my own thread, but I have a question that’s a step back or two from the original, nonetheless prompted by the original question.

I’m embarrassed to admit that although I’m a lifelong Catholic, and have studied the bible at various points in my juvenile lifetime, I want to seriously start to read it now. I am aware that there are, of course, Protestant and Catholic versions, though I don’t know off the top of my head which translations are geared toward Catholics, and which are geared otherwise. Your commentary about what distinguishes different versions of the Catholic bibles is much appreciated. I’m not necessarily looking for an heirloom now, so would I want a study bible?

Thanks so much!
Here’s the long form of the response I normally give about Bible versions and Catholic Study Bibles:

**Approved Bible Versions

Liturgical Use in United States**
There is only one English text currently approved by the Church for use in the United States. This text is the one contained in the Lectionaries approved for Sundays & Feasts and for Weekdays by the USCCB and recognized by the Holy See. These Lectionaries have their American and Roman approval documents in the front. The text is that of the New American Bible with revised Psalms and New Testament (1988, 1991), with some changes mandated by the Holy See where the NAB text used so-called vertical inclusive language (e.g. avoiding male pronouns for God). Since these Lectionaries have been fully promulgated, the permission to use the Jerusalem Bible and the RSV-Catholic at Mass has been withdrawn.

Devotional Reading
A bewildering array of Catholic Bibles are available for personal use. They all have imprimaturs, but not all avoid the use of inclusive language. That use is indicated in the summary. The order is generally chronological.
**1. Douai-Rheims. **The original Catholic Bible in English, pre-dating the King James Version (1611). It was translated from the Latin Vulgate, the Church’s official Scripture text, by English Catholics in exile on the continent. The NT was completed and published in 1582 when the English College (the seminary for English Catholics) was located at Rheims. The Old Testament was published in 1610 when the College was located at Douai. Bishop Challoner’s 1750 edition, and subsequent revisions by others up to the 20th century, is the most common edition. Retains some archaic English. The 1899 edition is available from TAN Books. The text is widely available on line, including EWTN’s library.
2. Confraternity Edition. Begun in 1936 by the American bishops’ Confraternity for Christian Doctrine as a translation from the Clementine Vulgate. The publication of Pius XII’s encyclical Divino afflante spiritu (1943) caused the translation committee to switch to the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. Not all books were completed by the time of Vatican II (1962-1965). Those that were finished were used in the liturgy in the 1950s and 60s. Published in a dignified American idiom. Though hard to find, this edition of the Scriptures is worth possessing.
3. Revised Standard Version (RSV) - Catholic Edition. Translated for an American audience from the original languages in the 1940s and 1950s by the National Council of the Churches of Christ, and adapted for Catholic use by the Catholic Biblical Association (1966). Considered the best combination of literal (formal equivalence translation) and literary by many orthodox Catholic scholars. Published today by Ignatius Press (Ignatius Bible) and Scepter Press, and available through EWTN’s Religious Catalogue.
**4.1 New American Bible or NAB (1970). **Translated from the original languages by the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine according to the principles of Vatican II for use in the liturgy. It was the basis of the American Lectionary from the 1970s until 2002. A good translation, but it was criticized for its changing of some traditional and familiar expressions, such as “full of grace”.
**4.2 NAB with Revised New Testament (1986). **A restoration of some traditional familiar phraseology. Unfortunately, it also included some mild inclusive language. No longer widely available, owing to the publication of the revised Psalms (see next entry).
4.3 NAB with Revised Psalms and Revised New Testament (1991). It was due to the use of vertical inclusive language (re: God and Christ) and some uses of horizontal inclusive language (re: human beings), that the Holy See rejected this text as the basis of a revised Lectionary for the United States. This is the version of the NAB currently on sale in the United States.
4.4 Modified NAB with Revised Psalms and Revised New Testament (2000-2002). This title is of my own invention. It does not refer to any currently available Bible, but to the NAB with Revised Psalms and Revised NT, as modified by a committee of the Holy See and the Bishops for use in the liturgy. It is the text found in all current Lectionaries in the U.S… The Holy See accepted some use of inclusive language, where the speaker/author intended a mixed audience (e.g. “brothers and sisters”, instead of the older “brethren”), but rejected it in references to God or Christ, and man, where the word has anthropological and theological significance (e.g. Psalm 1:1, with reference to Adam and Christ). Whether a Bible will be made available having these modified NAB texts is not known at this time. Since they do not extend to the entire Bible, it is possible that none will be, as that would require further editing of the underlying NAB text.

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5. Jerusalem Bible (1966). A translation based on the French edition of the Dominicans of the Ecole Biblique in Jerusalem, who translated it from the original languages. This Bible is the one used by Mother Angelica on the air. The full version has copious footnotes but is hard to find, as it has not been recently republished. A Reader’s Edition, without the full footnoting, is available through EWTN’s Religious Catalogue.
6. New Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition (1989). An adaptation for Catholic use of the NRSV of the National Council of the Churches of Christ. Although used in the American edition of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, it was rejected for liturgical use by the Holy See owing to inclusive language in some unacceptable places. With this exception, like the predecessor RSV, it is a good formal equivalent translation (i.e. literal, but literary).
7. New Jerusalem Bible (1990). A revision of the Jerusalem Bible directly from the original languages. It contains inclusive language, similar to that rejected in the revised NAB by the Holy See for use in the liturgy, but is considered a very literary text, and comparable in quality to the NRSV in scholarship.
8. Today’s’ English Version - Catholic (1992). This is the Catholic edition of the popular Good News Bible by the American Bible Society. Translated according to the principle of dynamic equivalence for readability. The same principle was used by ICEL to translate the Mass texts. Would be better to call a paraphrase than a translation.

Catholic versus Protestant Bibles
Bible translations developed for Catholic use are complete Bibles. This means that they contain the entire canonical text identified by Pope Damasus and the Synod of Rome (382) and the local Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397), contained in St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate translation (420), and decreed infallibly by the Ecumenical Council of Trent (1570). This canonical text contains the same 27 NT Testament books which Protestant versions contain, but 46 Old Testament books, instead of 39. These 7 books, and parts of 2 others, are called Deuterocanonical by Catholics (2nd canon) and Apocrypha (false writings) by Protestants, who dropped them at the time of the Reformation. The Deuterocanonical texts are Tobias (Tobit), Judith, Baruch, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), Wisdom, First and Second Maccabees and parts of Esther and Daniel. Some Protestant Bibles include the “Apocrypha” as pious reading.
 
If you’re looking for a good study Bible with commentary, there are three that I would recommend: The Ignatius Study Bible, the Navarre Bible, and the Douay-Rheims with Haydock Commentary.

So, which study Bible to get? Well, it depends on what you want. Scott Hahn and Curtis Mitch are working on the Ignatius Study Bible. I have several volumes, and I think they’re great. The notes are very clear, there are ample maps, and there are occasional mini-essays dedicated to important passages for Catholics, or particularly important Greek words that are difficult to translate. The introductory essays are also very good. The main problem with this version is that it is a work-in-progress. It is being released book-by-book; the New Testament has JUST been completed, and the Old Testament is now well underway, although no books have actually been released yet. A single version of the complete New Testament is going to be released around May, so you might want to wait for that. Once totally complete, many people think that this will become the new standard in Catholic study Bibles. This is the version to get if you’re looking for a good, orthodox, in-depth study of the background and interpretation of the Bible.

Here’s a link to the 13-volume paperback New Testament set:
catholiccompany.com/catholic-books/1001916/Ignatius-Catholic-Study-Bible-Complete-Set/

(and one Amazon.com link to the volume on the Gospel of Luke so you can see inside: )
amazon.com/Gospel-Luke-Ignatius-Study-Catholic/dp/0898708192/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246342183&sr=8-3

And here is a link where you can pre-order the brand-new single volume New Testament on Amazon.com. It’s going to be right around $20:
amazon.com/Ignatius-Catholic-Study-Bible-Testament/dp/1586172506/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249897269&sr=1-10

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As far as the Navarre Bible, it is also outstanding. It has several distinctive features. First, it’s complete. Second, it’s available in four versions: a 10-volume hardbound set, a 12-volume paperback New Testament, an abridged single-volume New Testament, and a brand new expanded single-volume hardcover New Testament. The longer versions contain the text of the Bible, the commentary, and the entire Nova Vulgata, along with long introductory essays. The abridged volume drops the Nova Vulgata and shortens the introductory essays. The hardbound version is almost of heirloom quality; it is very well made. The Navarre is printed by Scepter Press, the publishing arm of Opus Dei, so you KNOW it’s going to be orthodox. The Navarre tends to be more of a devotional Bible than a rigorous scholarly study Bible. The great thing is that both Bibles present something completely different. You could read both and learn totally different things. I included links to where you can order them direct from Scepter Publishers, and also Amazon.com. I included Amazon.com links when the page included the option to search inside the book so you can get an idea of the layout.

Here is where you can get the various versions:

The brand-new one-volume expanded New Testament:
scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=526

The one-volume abridged New Testament:
amazon.com/Navarre-Bible-New-Testament-Compact/dp/1889334596/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246340393&sr=8-5

The original ten-volume hardcover series:
New Testament:
scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=618
Old Testament:
scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=514
(and one Amazon.com link of the first volume so you can see inside: )
amazon.com/Navarre-Bible-Pentateuch-Old-Testament/dp/1889334219/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246340393&sr=8-2

The twelve-volume paperback New Testament set:
scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=125
(and one Amazon.com link of the first volume so you can see inside: )
amazon.com/Navarre-Bible-Acts-Apostles/dp/1851829040/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246340775&sr=8-23

I might also recommend the Douay-Rheims Bible with Haydock Commentary. This was a Bible commentary written by a Father Haydock in the mid-nineteenth century. It’s very orthodox also, and is known for utilizing a tremendous number of quotes from the Early Church Fathers themselves. If you want to know what the great theologians had to say about various passages, all in one place, than this is also a great resource. Not all Douay-Rheims Bibles have the Haydock Commentary, so search carefully. There is only one readily available version with the commentary, and it runs around $125. I should also point out that it’s available online for free viewing here:

haydock1859.tripod.com/index.html

Here’s a link to the leather-bound hardcover Haydock Douay-Rheims Bible:
loretopubs.org/index.php?target=products&product_id=60

(And here’s a link to a sample interior page: )
catholictreasures.com/pictures/Sample%20Douay.pdf

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As a couple of added thoughts:

From EWTN:
The most widely used Catholic commentary is probably the Jerome Biblical Commentary, now in a 2nd edition. There is also a summary version of it. This commentary is the work of well-known Catholic Biblical scholars and is filled with articles on historical, archaeological, linguistic and other subjects useful for understanding the background of the Scriptures. The JBC is, therefore, a valuable resource for those seeking such information. However, the textual commentaries use primarily the historical-critical method, and thus must be read with discernment. The Church approves of the use of this method for the purpose of understanding the historical and literary foundations of the text (see Vatican II, Dei Verbum 11-13), but finds it an incomplete method apart from the Tradition. Scripture must be interpreted according to the analogy of faith, that is, in accordance with what God has revealed in toto, as taught by the Magisterium.

Here is the New Jerome Biblical Commentary at Amazon.com:
amazon.com/Jerome-Biblical-Commentary-Raymond-Brown/dp/0225668033/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246340021&sr=8-1

There is also the brand new “Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture” that is in the works, although only four books have currently been released. What’s out, however, is really good, and written for more of an average audience. Here are links to the what’s available:
The Gospel of Mark
amazon.com/Gospel-Catholic-Commentary-Sacred-Scripture/dp/0801035864/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252704824&sr=8-1

First and Second Timothy, Titus
(This one lets you look inside at some of the pages)
amazon.com/Second-Timothy-Catholic-Commentary-Scripture/dp/0801035813/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252704824&sr=8-3

Ephesians
amazon.com/Ephesians-Catholic-Commentary-Sacred-Scripture/dp/0801035848/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252704824&sr=8-2

Second Corinthians
amazon.com/Second-Corinthians-Catholic-Commentary-Scripture/dp/080103583X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252704824&sr=8-4
 
KJV is worth it for its beautiful rendition of the Psalms…most notably Psalm 23 (The Lord is my shepherd…). If you’re into literature, go for it!

If you’re looking for something to study seriously to inform your Catholic faith, but still want old-school poetic language, I think the Douay-Rheims translation drbo.org/ has been mentioned. It looks like there are some attractive ones on Amazon.com, though pricey.

I’m an evangelical convert, so I keep my NIV bible around because I’ve read it inside and out and know where to find everything in it. On becoming Catholic, I received an NAB, which is the one the readings of the ordinary form of the Mass come from. It’s not that impressive to me. I’m really looking forward to the Ignatius study bible, but until then, I’ve been looking things up in the Douay-Rheims, which is pretty fascinating.

Since I’m interested in matters of ecumenism and apologetics, sometimes I like to compare Catholic and Protestant translations of particular Bible verses. It depends on where you are in your faith, but I find that it always strengthens my Catholic convictions.
 
Very good (name removed by moderator)ut, Iona_Scribe…I think I might be wanting something to confirm my convictions on the Catholic faith, and to see how it varies from the Protestants faith i.t.o. biblical translations.

Rolltide: WOW. I SINCERELY appreciate (as should everyone else!) the time you spent in putting this information together. This seems like this (or something similar) should go in a sticky, if not already.

I have a lot to absorb here. Most notably, you mentioned selecting various versions depending on whether I wanted a devotional or a study text. I suppose I want both, but my interest in really starting to read the Bible is that I want to see the contextual meanings of what we don’t translate literally, and the history and maps (and probably early leaders’ commentaries are helpful). Goodness…this makes my decision complicated in a way, but I suppose I’m never limited to one version. I definitely want something in plain English that I can understand, and of course that is faithful to the Magisterium. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! 👍
 
5. Jerusalem Bible (1966). A translation based on the French edition of the Dominicans of the Ecole Biblique in Jerusalem, who translated it from the original languages. This Bible is the one used by Mother Angelica on the air. The full version has copious footnotes but is hard to find, as it has not been recently republished. A Reader’s Edition, without the full footnoting, is available through EWTN’s Religious Catalogue.

7. New Jerusalem Bible (1990). A revision of the Jerusalem Bible directly from the original languages. It contains inclusive language, similar to that rejected in the revised NAB by the Holy See for use in the liturgy, but is considered a very literary text, and comparable in quality to the NRSV in scholarship.
WIth regards to the orignal Jerusalem Bible, it was my understanding that they only referred/deferred to the French translation, where there was more than one possible interpretation from the original sources.(?)
Alexander Jones of Christ’s College, Liverpool took the opportunity as an editor to guide a team of translators in an English language translation of the Holy Bible using a method already accomplished by the Dominican Biblical School in Jerusalem with their production of La Bible de Jérusalem (1956) in French, by means of Hebrew and Greek sources while bypassing the Latin Vulgate (the key reason why the Catholic Church thought long and hard about approving this process). Thus the English version of the JB is not French to English translation as some have erroneously suggested.
amazon.com/New-Jerusalem-Bible-Standard/product-reviews/0385493207/ref=cm_cr_pr_link_2?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addFiveStar&pageNumber=2
Only adding the comment because I have both the New and original Jerusalem Bible.
The old without the full notes, but the NJB Study Edition, available on Amazon will full notes,maps, appendices and indexes of major figures, timelines etc… which I find really good.amazon.com/New-Jerusalem-Bible-Standard/product-reviews/0385493207/ref=cm_cr_pr_link_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addFiveStar
Also have the NRSV:CE.
The links I’ve posted are to reviews you might find interesting, rather than pasting the whole things here. Don’t know how readily available in your area these will be, and if your in America, it seems the NAB is what is generally accepted.
 
Very good (name removed by moderator)ut, Iona_Scribe…I think I might be wanting something to confirm my convictions on the Catholic faith, and to see how it varies from the Protestants faith i.t.o. biblical translations.
This Catechism of the Bible in the intro to the Douay-Rheims is very helpful, especially lesson 16 on the differences between Catholic and Protestant translations: drbo.org/catechism.htm

This also brings up a question. Regarding lesson 15, item 10… does the Church still currently forbid the reading of other translations of the Bible (or certain bad books)? I don’t want to go against Church teaching, and like I said before, I wouldn’t advise it for serious study anyway.
 
If you’re looking for a good study Bible with commentary, there are three that I would recommend: The Ignatius Study Bible, the Navarre Bible, and the Douay-Rheims with Haydock Commentary.

So, which study Bible to get? Well, it depends on what you want. Scott Hahn and Curtis Mitch are working on the Ignatius Study Bible. I have several volumes, and I think they’re great. The notes are very clear, there are ample maps, and there are occasional mini-essays dedicated to important passages for Catholics, or particularly important Greek words that are difficult to translate. The introductory essays are also very good. The main problem with this version is that it is a work-in-progress. It is being released book-by-book; the New Testament has JUST been completed, and the Old Testament is now well underway, although no books have actually been released yet. A single version of the complete New Testament is going to be released around May, so you might want to wait for that. Once totally complete, many people think that this will become the new standard in Catholic study Bibles. This is the version to get if you’re looking for a good, orthodox, in-depth study of the background and interpretation of the Bible.

Here’s a link to the 13-volume paperback New Testament set:
catholiccompany.com/catholic-books/1001916/Ignatius-Catholic-Study-Bible-Complete-Set/

(and one Amazon.com link to the volume on the Gospel of Luke so you can see inside: )
amazon.com/Gospel-Luke-Ignatius-Study-Catholic/dp/0898708192/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246342183&sr=8-3

And here is a link where you can pre-order the brand-new single volume New Testament on Amazon.com. It’s going to be right around $20:
amazon.com/Ignatius-Catholic-Study-Bible-Testament/dp/1586172506/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249897269&sr=1-10

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Thanks ROLLTIDE!! This is just the information that I was looking for! I was just talking to my wife about how I am dissatisfied with the commentary in my NAB and that I would like to find a Bible that would be more appropriate for my personal and group studies. I believe that the upcoming Ignatius Catholic Study Bible is just what I’m looking for! After all with Scott Hahn as the editor I figure it has to be well done! Do you know if the complete New Testament version due out in June will contain all the commentary and maps that are in the individual books that are currently available?

Thanks and God bless!
TallyFranciscan
 
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