Need help getting rid of Mormon Missionaries

[ffg]

If you look at my posts, I said nothing about the mormon’s should be OK with what happened.

While nobody is arguing the OP was respectful in his rant, he is getting some “atta boys” so to speak, and that is something I have a problem with. To me, that is condoning inappropriate behavior.

I have never said his point was not valid. In fact, quite the contrary. I have stated that I disagree with everything the mormon espouses theologically. That being said, he could have politely left, and if anyone followed or questioned, let them have it outside. After all, he accepted the invitation, and was not being held hostage.

He could have also waited until they knocked on his door again, and he could have let them have it. It didn’t need to be done inside one of their “church” buildings.

With all that being said, the whole tone of this thread, including the OP was obvious he was looking to stir something up. (Not a very Christian thing to do) He very simply could have refused the invitation. Accepted, then called to decline later, or even just not shown up. The tantrum was not necessary.

Thanks for the reply.

I agree he was just trying to stir things up, It’s quite possible the event as described probably didn’t happen. Considering he could have had the same rant at his door.

The post I quoted in the last is why I asked about the OK’s, it was quite implied in building the invite to a house scenario.

It’s understandable to disagree with what he did (if actually done) that happens all the time. That doesn’t mean people who see it as a positive are ‘wrong’ or he was ‘wrong’. In the scenario presented to us, if 1 person decided to do a little more research for truth’s sake, I don’t see how that is not a good thing.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda, everyone is different, his reaction/ delivery wouldn’t be yours, fair enough, doesn’t mean he should be chastised.

He didn’t start teaching Catholicism, he questioned the teachings he heard. That happens all the time in RCIA.

A good argument is how you hash out truth, civil, or emotional.

Perhaps the key reason most of us would not be able to do what he ‘did’ is out of respect, rather than lack of guts.

Something that has worked it’s way into this thread which I thought would be interesting, is what it means to be Christian.

Christ himself was straight forward, unapologetic. I think there are a lot of people who like to argue that Christians should bend over backwards to not offend.

Truth IS offensive to humans that don’t know it. If I didn’t grow up in it, I would find this stuff pretty rude.

The Truth doesn’t care about human emotion.

Take care,

 

[Memaw]

Okay so I went to their Church service to clear things up. On their second part of Church they have a little sunday school type of deal. They talked about Heaven and what happens after. The said that after you die you go to spirit world (I guess a lot like Purgatory) to teach the word of Christ to those who did bad in their life. After that they said you go to Heaven to work even more and it’s broken up into 3 kingdoms, etc. I stood up and said “So wait you mean to tell me that after we die, we go to Heaven and work? That sounds a lot like hell to me. And why is it that there are 3 kingdoms? Once we get saved by Christ we are all equal.” I went on to go about joseph smith and all that, how he pretty much made the whole thing up. I then told them to just not buy into that garbage, I mean really it’s garbage made up by a con artist and to go the real path of Christ. I spoke my mind and left, I also let them know that the missionaries should not be coming my way anymore.

I am just thankful you tried to defend your beliefs and got out of there. If you were at a “Sunday school type deal,” you were not at a church service and you had the right to express your opinion too. And you made it clear that you didn’t want them around you anymore. That should have been enough but evidently it wasn’t, they don’t give up easily. Just stay strong in your resistance and as I said before, talk to a priest not only about how to handle them but to help you learn more about our own Catholic Faith so you won’t ever be tempted to be curious about any other. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Thecourts]

I am a Catholic, I have spoken to the Mormon missionaries recently, they approached me and we talked for a little. They talked me going to one of their church services and I agreed to it just out of curiosity. I am young and I admit I got brainwashed and dumbed into their nonsense. But I want them to just leave me alone now I want nothing to do with them. What would be a good way of letting them know I do not want anything to do with them?

Politely say you are not interested anymore. It is that simple.

 

[Justmyself777]

Don’t go to their services anymore but instead strengthen your faith with ours.

 

[kimg901]

kimg901,
I said to know your enemy; that should be enough for anyone with a brain to figure out what you are so concerned about.
Becca is not a believer of the Old Covenant, she is a believer of the New Covenant and that is based on Jesus who fulfilled the Law, every bit of it(!). He is the One she believes in, not the Law. She does not have to argue or agree with them on old Testament prophets, even on church doctrine, but rather on who Jesus is! And that is a critical question for ANY mormon or Jehovah’s witness etc. For the deity of Christ will call out ANYONE who say they are Christian believers and are not. Jesus is not just the Son of God - He IS God, part of the Godhead that we call the Trinity.

Instead of being critical and negative coming out with arguments that might discourage her , why don’t you encourage her!? And in your wisdom add something positive, perhaps you can find some scripture that will do just that and give that to her instead! Perhaps you can even do some research on the Mormon faith to help her out? Hey, you can become a team, you feed her the reasearched info and she applies it in the attempts to save some of them. Yes?

Uh did I miss something here? Who is being critical and negative? I dont need to research anything, I was a mormon for a time so I know what ive read. And anyone can research something by clicking a mouse. So why are you coming down on me?

 

[human_genome]

Uh did I miss something here? Who is being critical and negative? I dont need to research anything, I was a mormon for a time so I know what ive read. And anyone can research something by clicking a mouse. So why are you coming down on me?

First of all stop acting like a baby, you still sound wise in your own eyes. I can pretty much guarantee that if I gave you a quizzzzz on Mormonism you would fail. It takes more than “some time” to become familiar with that sect, and they do not give out their secrets voluntarily. However, in the remote case that I am wrong; since you know so much, why not share it with others, like your sister in the faith. Like you said, you don’t even have to do any research.
Most Mormons do not know what Mormonism is all about. They can be part of that religiion/sect for years and still not know. So you were in for a while, what’s a while and what did you get to know that changed your mind?

And BTW, I am certainly not getting “down on you” as you say, only attempting to be of help to someone that apparently takes the Catholic faith seriously (like Rebecca), acting like a “light in a dark world!”
Now, if I had “as much knowledge as you do”, then I could just give it to her myself then and I certainly would.
Thus, if you have more info to share on Mormonism, why don;t you give it to her?

 

[kimg901]

First of all stop acting like a baby, you still sound wise in your own eyes. I can pretty much guarantee that if I gave you a quizzzzz on Mormonism you would fail. It takes more than “some time” to become familiar with that sect, and they do not give out their secrets voluntarily. However, in the remote case that I am wrong; since you know so much, why not share it with others, like your sister in the faith. Like you said, you don’t even have to do any research.
Most Mormons do not know what Mormonism is all about. They can be part of that religiion/sect for years and still not know. So you were in for a while, what’s a while and what did you get to know that changed your mind?

And BTW, I am certainly not getting “down on you” as you say, only attempting to be of help to someone that apparently takes the Catholic faith seriously (like Rebecca), acting like a “light in a dark world!”
Now, if I had “as much knowledge as you do”, then I could just give it to her myself then and I certainly would.
Thus, if you have more info to share on Mormonism, why don;t you give it to her?

So you have a vast knowledge of mormonism huh since you can administer a test that I would fail? Then maybe you need to follow your own advice and be giving this Becca lady some info. Now if you can show me where I posted that I have “alot of knowledge”. I never claimed to have alot of anything in my life, especially knowledge. And if Becca is interested in Catholism, great. We can help her with her journey that has nothing to do with mormonism.

 

[TexanKnight]

First of all stop acting like a baby, you still sound wise in your own eyes. I can pretty much guarantee that if I gave you a quizzzzz on Mormonism you would fail. It takes more than “some time” to become familiar with that sect, and they do not give out their secrets voluntarily. However, in the remote case that I am wrong; since you know so much, why not share it with others, like your sister in the faith. Like you said, you don’t even have to do any research.
Most Mormons do not know what Mormonism is all about. They can be part of that religiion/sect for years and still not know. So you were in for a while, what’s a while and what did you get to know that changed your mind?

And BTW, I am certainly not getting “down on you” as you say, only attempting to be of help to someone that apparently takes the Catholic faith seriously (like Rebecca), acting like a “light in a dark world!”
Now, if I had “as much knowledge as you do”, then I could just give it to her myself then and I certainly would.
Thus, if you have more info to share on Mormonism, why don;t you give it to her?

wow…pretty harsh and totally uncalled for. Perhaps you should sojourn some more.

And you seem to know soooo much about
Kimg, without knowing Kimg yet act like Kimg, who WAS LDS, does not know LDS… how very odd.

Yes…sojourn some more…

 

[human_genome]

wow…pretty harsh and totally uncalled for. Perhaps you should sojourn some more.

And you seem to know soooo much about
Kimg, without knowing Kimg yet act like Kimg, who WAS LDS, does not know LDS… how very odd.

Yes…sojourn some more…

wow…pretty harsh and totally uncalled for. Perhaps you should sojourn some more.

And you seem to know soooo much about
Kimg, without knowing Kimg yet act like Kimg, who WAS LDS, does not know LDS… how very odd.

Yes…sojourn some more…

Well mister Knight, playing word games with my online identity does nothing for me or to me. However, it does do something for you and to you; it reduces the credibility and respect you may have enjoyed by engaging in a silly, unintelligent child’s game Mr Knight! Don’t you see it, “tit for tat”? You lowered yourself to a place of a child, attempting to “get back at me” for some :“felt hurt” over what I wrote in response to kimg posting. Your assessment does not really give miss Kim any more credibility on this point, and in the process you’ve lost some of your own. She was still critical of her target - and wise in her own eyes. Nothing uncalled for here, certainly not harsh. But then all things are relative, and it is only the eyes of the beholder that could render a proper judgement in that perspective, since all things ultimately become subjective. Thus, I most likely may not have your amen on that one…

I don’t have to know Kimg, no need to. I see what she is posting, and I am not impressed by her minor involvement with LDS. And as far as I am concerned; yes I do know the Mormon religion, very well actually. I also know for a fact that most Mormons DO NOT know what they believe in. One of my close friends for many years was the “president” of a chapter (church) nearby, and he held little or nothing back from me when I asked him. What I did not find sufficient enough re info, I found through years of my own research.
No, he didn’t “bug” me, he knew better, yet I was able to slip in some “nuggets” here and there, and that was a mutual thing. Yet, we had a mutually respectful friendship.

Mormonism is extremely hard to penetrate, the secret tenets are so steeped in mysticism (evil practices) that evil has a strong hold on that church and its members. Prayer is the only action that will loose someone from that religion. You can hardly “put them to the wall” and show them the truth, simply because they don’t want to hear it, they can’t. If you do a case by case study where members of LDS have broke loose from the church it hardly ever happens without drama or at best in very uncomfortable circumstances for the exiting member(s). You are not just leaving LDS church, you also find yourself losing your “best” friends", your community. After your “betrayal” you are most likely no longer welcome in church “circles” .

Here is another assessment from my end. Some place in some record, there is a quote, that goes something like this," If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all". So why don’t we just leave things be and move on…the Mormons need the Gospel of Christ, not a whole bunch of rhetoric that leads somewhere even close to that. All it does is possibly entertain the ones that produce the rhetoric, but still does not lead anywhere, except perhaps create schisms between people - even of the same faith.

Do you think any Mormon would be able to see the Light" from most of these postings? I would need to be convinced about that! This thread was ill “begotten” in the first place, it is a “dead end”.

 

[twopekinguys]

Can we please get back to the topic at hand and stop derailing the thread?

Posting styles is not what this thread is about. If you don’t like a poster and his/her style, ignore them, or report them.

Now, back to our regular programming.

 

[Memaw]

First of all stop acting like a baby, you still sound wise in your own eyes. I can pretty much guarantee that if I gave you a quizzzzz on Mormonism you would fail. It takes more than “some time” to become familiar with that sect, and they do not give out their secrets voluntarily. However, in the remote case that I am wrong; since you know so much, why not share it with others, like your sister in the faith. Like you said, you don’t even have to do any research.
Most Mormons do not know what Mormonism is all about. They can be part of that religiion/sect for years and still not know. So you were in for a while, what’s a while and what did you get to know that changed your mind?

And BTW, I am certainly not getting “down on you” as you say, only attempting to be of help to someone that apparently takes the Catholic faith seriously (like Rebecca), acting like a “light in a dark world!”
Now, if I had “as much knowledge as you do”, then I could just give it to her myself then and I certainly would.
Thus, if you have more info to share on Mormonism, why don;t you give it to her?

I think sometimes we need to re-read the rules of the fourm. God Bless, Memaw

 

[kimg901]

Well mister Knight, playing word games with my online identity does nothing for me or to me. However, it does do something for you and to you; it reduces the credibility and respect you may have enjoyed by engaging in a silly, unintelligent child’s game Mr Knight! Don’t you see it, “tit for tat”? You lowered yourself to a place of a child, attempting to “get back at me” for some :“felt hurt” over what I wrote in response to kimg posting. Your assessment does not really give miss Kim any more credibility on this point, and in the process you’ve lost some of your own. She was still critical of her target - and wise in her own eyes. Nothing uncalled for here, certainly not harsh. But then all things are relative, and it is only the eyes of the beholder that could render a proper judgement in that perspective, since all things ultimately become subjective. Thus, I most likely may not have your amen on that one…

I don’t have to know Kimg, no need to. I see what she is posting, and I am not impressed by her minor involvement with LDS. And as far as I am concerned; yes I do know the Mormon religion, very well actually. I also know for a fact that most Mormons DO NOT know what they believe in. One of my close friends for many years was the “president” of a chapter (church) nearby, and he held little or nothing back from me when I asked him. What I did not find sufficient enough re info, I found through years of my own research.
No, he didn’t “bug” me, he knew better, yet I was able to slip in some “nuggets” here and there, and that was a mutual thing. Yet, we had a mutually respectful friendship.

Mormonism is extremely hard to penetrate, the secret tenets are so steeped in mysticism (evil practices) that evil has a strong hold on that church and its members. Prayer is the only action that will loose someone from that religion. You can hardly “put them to the wall” and show them the truth, simply because they don’t want to hear it, they can’t. If you do a case by case study where members of LDS have broke loose from the church it hardly ever happens without drama or at best in very uncomfortable circumstances for the exiting member(s). You are not just leaving LDS church, you also find yourself losing your “best” friends", your community. After your “betrayal” you are most likely no longer welcome in church “circles” .

Here is another assessment from my end. Some place in some record, there is a quote, that goes something like this," If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all". So why don’t we just leave things be and move on…the Mormons need the Gospel of Christ, not a whole bunch of rhetoric that leads somewhere even close to that. All it does is possibly entertain the ones that produce the rhetoric, but still does not lead anywhere, except perhaps create schisms between people - even of the same faith.

Do you think any Mormon would be able to see the Light" from most of these postings? I would need to be convinced about that! This thread was ill “begotten” in the first place, it is a “dead end”.

LMAO. You better heed your own advice and research before assuming im a woman. As far as the mormons not knowing what they believe in, please. They know very well what it is. And if you have facts, give us proof of them. If not, zip it. Im trying to be nice so im going to leave this alone. And just like you have the right to speak here, so does TK. He is free to say what he wants so back up, have a Coke, and relax.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Lately, there seems to be more board nannies. I think this time that TK and kimg have been sent to their rooms without supper.

 

[Becca3]

Lately, there seems to be more board nannies. I think this time that TK and kimg have been sent to their rooms without supper.

 

[Eliza10]

… my Grandfather was a Presbyterian minister for many years, and always demonstrated complete respect for others when in their house of worship. Weddings, funerals, inter-faith events.

… I have been the RCIA director for our Parish for about 15 years, and in that position, I have taken it upon myself to visit other churches, and ministers, etc. in order to obtain a working/basic knowledge of their beliefs…

Oh, Okay then I do see that you are coming from a different place than the OP, so I understand your point of view better now. You have visited other churches in an official position of your church, of your own volition, I do not see that you were in any way coerced to do this. Also you have a grandfather who had a church position, and perhaps model yourself after him.

But the OP went as a seeker for conversion, and felt persuaded, and finally duped because of the bad theology. His experience of visiting a Mormon Church was completely different from yours.

Just an observation.

…At no time have I ever stood up and had a hissie fit like the OP described… I’m too old to act like a 2 yr old…

Well, okay, to you its a hissy fit. To me its not at all. I like what the OP said in the Sunday School. I just have this thing for the truth spoken boldly. Which I don’t do often enough. I like to do the socially best thing - which is not always the best thing.

.Personally, I find it hard to believe that if you invited someone into your home, and they acted in a similar manner you would be OK with it. Most people have more respect for their homes than to let someone come in and act like that. But then again, that is just my opinion.

I have this thing for a free exchange of ideas. I have a lot of tolerance for ideas being exchanged especially if the person is trying to get at truth. If a person wants to bash Catholicism in my house its an opportunity for me to say, "What do you mean?"and “That is not logical, fair, just, etc. because…”. If he wants to get at truth it can come out. If he is just being rude, i would ask him to stop.

The bottom line on this is Respect, and the lack of it… :

I respect that it is that for you, and that you believe he has violated respect. For me the bottom line is both truth and respect. That the truth be spoken, and that the missionaries show respect by “checking for understanding” after proselytizing where their hoped-for convert really stands on these things. They didn’t, and they got natural consequences - appropriate, IMO. You and Living Waters certainly see it differently and I respect that.

The other part you and Living Waters seem to minimize which I think is important is that the OP stated that he “I got brainwashed and dumbed into their nonsense”. Imagine if you were brainwashed and dumbed into nonsense. Would you not want to stand up to it, and call nonsense nonsense?

Maybe not. I would, though.

 

[twopekinguys]

Oh, Okay then I do see that you are coming from a different place than the OP, so I understand your point of view better now. You have visited other churches in an official position of your church, of your own volition, I do not see that you were in any way coerced to do this. Also you have a grandfather who had a church position, and perhaps model yourself after him.

But the OP went as a seeker for conversion, and felt persuaded, and finally duped because of the bad theology. His experience of visiting a Mormon Church was completely different from yours.

Just an observation.

Well, okay, to you its a hissy fit. To me its not at all. I like what the OP said in the Sunday School. I just have this thing for the truth spoken boldly. Which I don’t do often enough. I like to do the socially best thing - which is not always the best thing.

I have this thing for a free exchange of ideas. I have a lot of tolerance for ideas being exchanged especially if the person is trying to get at truth. If a person wants to bash Catholicism in my house its an opportunity for me to say, "What do you mean?"and “That is not logical, fair, just, etc. because…”. If he wants to get at truth it can come out. If he is just being rude, i would ask him to stop.

I respect that it is that for you, and that you believe he has violated respect. For me the bottom line is both truth and respect. That the truth be spoken, and that the missionaries show respect by “checking for understanding” after proselytizing where their hoped-for convert really stands on these things. They didn’t, and they got natural consequences - appropriate, IMO. You and Living Waters certainly see it differently and I respect that.

The other part you and Living Waters seem to minimize which I think is important is that the OP stated that he “I got brainwashed and dumbed into their nonsense”. Imagine if you were brainwashed and dumbed into nonsense. Would you not want to stand up to it, and call nonsense nonsense?

Maybe not. I would, though.

After all that, you still don’t get it. That’s fine, you have your opinion, and the rest of the world has theirs.

You of course ignored my statement about some Catholic parishes having Sunday Schools. You’d still be ok with that behavior there? In adoration?

Don’t bother to answer.

ETA: If you support what the OP did, then don’t you find it a little surprising that he hasn’t come back to defend his position?

It doesn’t appear that he was “brainwashed” in the least. He was trolling. Plain and simple. He was either trolling this board to get people worked up, or he was trolling the missionaries.

Trust me, if he had behaved like that at any type of church function I was at, I can guarantee he would not have been able to finish his first sentence.

 

[Eliza10]

I am just thankful you tried to defend your beliefs and got out of there. If you were at a “Sunday school type deal,” you were not at a church service and you had the right to express your opinion too. And you made it clear that you didn’t want them around you anymore. That should have been enough but evidently it wasn’t, they don’t give up easily. …

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[jmcrae]

Trust me, if he had behaved like that at any type of church function I was at, I can guarantee he would not have been able to finish his first sentence.

Twice I’ve experienced people coming to Mass and being disruptive because they thought we were the “Whore of Babylon” - I was glad for the big burly ushers who escorted them out as soon as they started yelling.

 

[LivingWaters7]

After all that, you still don’t get it. That’s fine, you have your opinion, and the rest of the world has theirs.

You of course ignored my statement about some Catholic parishes having Sunday Schools. You’d still be ok with that behavior there? In adoration?

Don’t bother to answer.

ETA: If you support what the OP did, then don’t you find it a little surprising that he hasn’t come back to defend his position?

It doesn’t appear that he was “brainwashed” in the least. He was trolling. Plain and simple. He was either trolling this board to get people worked up, or he was trolling the missionaries.

Trust me, if he had behaved like that at any type of church function I was at, I can guarantee he would not have been able to finish his first sentence.

:clapping::yup:

 

[kimg901]

Lately, there seems to be more board nannies. I think this time that TK and kimg have been sent to their rooms without supper.

Maybe our nannie needs a hug?