Need help getting rid of Mormon Missionaries

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human_genome said:
Well mister Knight, playing word games with my online identity does nothing for me or to me.

I was not trying to do anything to you. I was merely making a suggestion

However, it does do something for you and to you;

Really? I just looked and it did nothing but make me feel good

it reduces the credibility and respect you may have enjoyed by engaging in a silly, unintelligent child’s game Mr Knight!

I just checked, I still have my respect and credibility

Don’t you see it, “tit for tat”? You lowered yourself to a place of a child, attempting to “get back at me” for some :“felt hurt” over what I wrote in response to kimg posting.

Nope…simply made an observation regarding a truly silly post you made

Your assessment does not really give miss Kim any more credibility on this point, and in the process you’ve lost some of your own. She was still critical of her target - and wise in her own eyes. Nothing uncalled for here, certainly not harsh. But then all things are relative, and it is only the eyes of the beholder that could render a proper judgement in that perspective, since all things ultimately become subjective. Thus, I most likely may not have your amen on that one…

The fact that someone like you should suggest a loss of credibility is a lot like Jack the Ripper telling me I have lost my value of life…

I don’t have to know Kimg, no need to. I see what she is posting, and I am not impressed by her minor involvement with LDS. And as far as I am concerned; yes I do know the Mormon religion, very well actually. I also know for a fact that most Mormons DO NOT know what they believe in. One of my close friends for many years was the “president” of a chapter (church) nearby, and he held little or nothing back from me when I asked him. What I did not find sufficient enough re info, I found through years of my own research.

Have you ever been LDS? If not, then you really don’t know much. Kim has…so, unless you have been LDS, you are the one without credibility

Mormonism is extremely hard to penetrate, the secret tenets are so steeped in mysticism (evil practices) that evil has a strong hold on that church and its members. Prayer is the only action that will loose someone from that religion. You can hardly “put them to the wall” and show them the truth, simply because they don’t want to hear it, they can’t. If you do a case by case study where members of LDS have broke loose from the church it hardly ever happens without drama or at best in very uncomfortable circumstances for the exiting member(s). You are not just leaving LDS church, you also find yourself losing your “best” friends", your community. After your “betrayal” you are most likely no longer welcome in church “circles” .

I am aware of that. But, unless you have lived it…

Here is another assessment from my end. Some place in some record, there is a quote, that goes something like this," If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all".

And yet you bashed Kim, and then tried to bash me…odd…

Do you think any Mormon would be able to see the Light" from most of these postings? I would need to be convinced about that! This thread was ill “begotten” in the first place, it is a “dead end”.

Who knows? All I know is you bashed Kim for making a judgment about something she was once involved in while not really knowing her at all. When one does that, they truly lose credibility
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twopekinguys said:
After all that, you still don’t get it. That’s fine, you have your opinion, and the rest of the world has theirs.
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You say I don’t get it, but, correct me if I am wrong, it seems you are actually saying, “You still haven’t changed your mind”. If you mean that I still think his words in the Sunday School class were okay, I do.

If in fact the rest of the world has a different opinion than one’s own, it is certainly not always a reason to change it. Popular opinion is not always a thing to emulate.
twopekinguys said:
You of course ignored my statement about some Catholic parishes having Sunday Schools. You’d still be ok with that behavior there? In adoration? 🤷
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I didn’t mean to ignore it. Sorry. I have been to so many, many, many parishes. That’s partly because there was so much wrong in so many here, and I kept thinking someone would have it right. But unlike the Protestant churches I knew so well, I found Catholic parishes do have a lot to do with their Diocesan Bishop and we had one that ruled quite questionably for decades.

There are not a lot of Sunday Schools for grownups, but some. Particularly notable was one run by a self-described apologist, a convert, and he did great. In his class, he would have been surprised by an interrupter as he spoke in a more lecture style, but I think he would have welcomed the chance to speak about the detractor’s words since he had answers. Before being Catholic I spent many years deeply involved in many Protestant Churches which included Sunday Schools. Some parishes have Sunday schools more like these. Room for discussion. To be interrupted in any of these with a detractor’s bottled up thoughts would be a surprise, an interest, but more novelty than offense. Unlike a college class there is not a necc. deadline to get info out before the exam deadline, so sidetracking is not a terrible thing. It would not hurt people’s faith since they are there united in faith.

I can imagine in that Mormon Sunday School (I have been to those too) after the detractor left they had an opportunity to reiterate the thousand-times reiterated party line[so many times you hear something - that makes it true, right?]:

*“That person doesn’t understand our faith”

“We always get persecuted by people who just don’t understand us”*
  • “He probably never even read the whole Book of Mormon so he just doesn’t know”* and
“Anything he doesn’t like about us is a misunderstanding about us.”
twopekinguys said:
Don’t bother to answer.
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Ah! I just couldn’t help it!
twopekinguys said:
ETA: If you support what the OP did, then don’t you find it a little surprising that he hasn’t come back to defend his position?

It doesn’t appear that he was “brainwashed” in the least. He was trolling. Plain and simple. He was either trolling this board to get people worked up, or he was trolling the missionaries.
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Hmm, well that is a possibility for sure. I have seen too many trolls here at CAF, but I am reticent to say so when I think so, as I have been accused of being uncharitable when I state this truth - when it seems to me quite obvious, and I even have good evidence to back it. So, being so unsure about what the CAF finds is acceptable when one realizes one is communicating with a troll, I am skittish to say anything now.
twopekinguys said:
Trust me, if he had behaved like that at any type of church function I was at, I can guarantee he would not have been able to finish his first sentence. 😉
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I believe you!
 
Eliza10 said:
You say I don’t get it, but, correct me if I am wrong, it seems you are actually saying, “You still haven’t changed your mind”. If you mean that I still think his words in the Sunday School class were okay, I do.

If in fact the rest of the world has a different opinion than one’s own, it is certainly not always a reason to change it. Popular opinion is not always a thing to emulate.

I didn’t mean to ignore it. Sorry. I have been to so many, many, many parishes. That’s partly because there was so much wrong in so many here, and I kept thinking someone would have it right. But unlike the Protestant churches I knew so well, I found Catholic parishes do have a lot to do with their Diocesan Bishop and we had one that ruled quite questionably for decades.

There are not a lot of Sunday Schools for grownups, but some. Particularly notable was one run by a self-described apologist, a convert, and he did great. In his class, he would have been surprised by an interrupter as he spoke in a more lecture style, but I think he would have welcomed the chance to speak about the detractor’s words since he had answers. Before being Catholic I spent many years deeply involved in many Protestant Churches which included Sunday Schools. Some parishes have Sunday schools more like these. Room for discussion. To be interrupted in any of these with a detractor’s bottled up thoughts would be a surprise, an interest, but not an offense. Unlike a college class there is not a necc. deadline to get info out before the exam deadline, so sidetracking is not a terrible thing. It would not hurt people’s faith since they are there united in faith.

I can imagine in that Mormon Sunday School (I have been to those too) after the detractor left they had an opportunity to reiterate the thousand-times reiterated party line[so many times you hear something - that makes it true, right?]:
“That person doesn’t understand our faith”
“We always get persecuted by people who just don’t understand us”
  • “He probably never even read the whole Book of Mormon so he just doesn’t know”* and
    “Anything he doesn’t like about us is a misunderstanding about us.”
Ah! I just couldn’t help it!

Hmm, well that is a possibility for sure. I have seen too many trolls here at CAF, but I am reticent to say so when I think so, as I have been accused of being uncharitable when I state this truth - when it seems to me quite obvious, and I even have good evidence to back it. So, being so unsure about what the CAF finds is acceptable when one realizes one is communicating with a troll, I am skittish to say anything now.

I believe you!
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Eliza10 said:
You say I don’t get it, but, correct me if I am wrong, it seems you are actually saying, “You still haven’t changed your mind”. If you mean that I still think his words in the Sunday School class were okay, I do.

If in fact the rest of the world has a different opinion than one’s own, it is certainly not always a reason to change it. Popular opinion is not always a thing to emulate.

I didn’t mean to ignore it. Sorry. I have been to so many, many, many parishes. That’s partly because there was so much wrong in so many here, and I kept thinking someone would have it right. But unlike the Protestant churches I knew so well, I found Catholic parishes do have a lot to do with their Diocesan Bishop and we had one that ruled quite questionably for decades.

There are not a lot of Sunday Schools for grownups, but some. Particularly notable was one run by a self-described apologist, a convert, and he did great. In his class, he would have been surprised by an interrupter as he spoke in a more lecture style, but I think he would have welcomed the chance to speak about the detractor’s words since he had answers. Before being Catholic I spent many years deeply involved in many Protestant Churches which included Sunday Schools. Some parishes have Sunday schools more like these. Room for discussion. To be interrupted in any of these with a detractor’s bottled up thoughts would be a surprise, an interest, but more novelty than offense. Unlike a college class there is not a necc. deadline to get info out before the exam deadline, so sidetracking is not a terrible thing. It would not hurt people’s faith since they are there united in faith.

I can imagine in that Mormon Sunday School (I have been to those too) after the detractor left they had an opportunity to reiterate the thousand-times reiterated party line[so many times you hear something - that makes it true, right?]:

*“That person doesn’t understand our faith”

“We always get persecuted by people who just don’t understand us”*
  • “He probably never even read the whole Book of Mormon so he just doesn’t know”* and
“Anything he doesn’t like about us is a misunderstanding about us.”

Ah! I just couldn’t help it!

Hmm, well that is a possibility for sure. I have seen too many trolls here at CAF, but I am reticent to say so when I think so, as I have been accused of being uncharitable when I state this truth - when it seems to me quite obvious, and I even have good evidence to back it. So, being so unsure about what the CAF finds is acceptable when one realizes one is communicating with a troll, I am skittish to say anything now.

I believe you!
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Sounds like you’ve been around the block! 🙂 I’ll bet you have a very interesting and informative testimony. 🙂
 
Eliza10 said:
You say I don’t get it, but, correct me if I am wrong, it seems you are actually saying, “You still haven’t changed your mind”. If you mean that I still think his words in the Sunday School class were okay, I do.
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It’s good to know that you have know respect for someone else’s house of worship.

Tell me what parish you belong to, and I will gladly come and make a hissie fit, and see how well it is received.

I cannot believe anyone would condone this behavior in another person’s house of worhip.

Just the thought of that is reprehensible.

I’m done with you. Welcome to my ignore list.
 
Eliza10 said:
I can imagine in that Mormon Sunday School (I have been to those too) after the detractor left they had an opportunity to reiterate the thousand-times reiterated party line[so many times you hear something - that makes it true, right?]:

“That person doesn’t understand our faith”

“We always get persecuted by people who just don’t understand us”

“He probably never even read the whole Book of Mormon so he just doesn’t know” and

“Anything he doesn’t like about us is a misunderstanding about us.”
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That’s because he threw a temper tantrum instead of giving a reasoned defense of his Catholic faith.

If, instead of throwing a temper tantrum he had given a reasoned defense of his faith, the conversation would have gone much differently.

If he had voiced his objections to the missionaries when they were at his house, and simply not gone to the Temple for the meeting, they would have had no reason to count themselves “persecuted.”
 
Having tried all the normative, polite, not-so-polite, ignoring, “not interested”, “please don’t come back”, methods…If the showing up at a Mormon Sunday school, and stating what I think about LDS teachings, actually stops Mormon missionaries from coming over…I may have to try it myself. 😃

If they can come to MY home, and insult MY beliefs, I think turn around is fair play. If they can ask “how’s Catholicism working out for you?”, I think I can ask how Kolob, plural Gods, baptisms for the dead, etc., are working out for them. Could be fun. 😛

I doubt it will work though. New missionaries will be rotated in and the new batch will be around ringing the doorbell. Give it time, there they’ll be. AGAIN. Only two groups that come around to my door that keep coming back, no matter what I say or don’t say: Mormon missionaries and magazine sales people. They’re the same thing to me. Annoying, pushy, and could care less what their targets think of their intrusions.
 
I’ve had it! I’m putting a moat filled with crocodiles around the perimeter of my house. No more Mr; Nice Guy! 😃

I think we’d have to have been there to make a fair and impartial judgment. This issue is so juicy because it’s easy to take either side, depending on how one interprets the facts and fills in the missing details.

Now, I am fully expecting to be castigated by both sides. (<— I said that so that I might escape! lol) :blackeye:
 
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