Need help with an article against gay marriage

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. But I am then confronted with the common argument for gay marriage which states “if two people love each other they shouldn’t be stopped from marrying!” I cannot find a secular reason for rebutting this. Any ideas? I need something VERY convincing or else my argument falls flat on its face…
All Americans have the exact same right to marry regardless of their race creed gender or country of national origin but are also subject to the same restrictions that apply to all regardless of whether they are in love or not. For instance I am not allowed to marry:

my mother
my daughter
my sister
someone who is already married
someone under the age of consent i
someone is not mentally competent to give consent
someone who is of the same gender as I am

It appears that the proponents of so-called same-sex marriage want to remove only one of the restrictions from the list evidently condemning the others to a lifetime of singleness whether they love their proposed partner or not. Unless we’re willing to remove all restrictions on marriage where the couple expresses love for each other this argument falls flat.

Iit is interesting that of all the restrictions I listed the only one that has not been common in some cultures in the past is the prohibition of same-sex marriage. I believe it is incumbent upon those who propose same-sex marriage to prove why we should change the definition of marriage merely to satisfy their preferred manner of engaging in sex.
 
Hey LocusCarsLtd, its good to see you again! If I were writing an article, I would really focus on loving homosexual people instead of showing that they are logically incorrect. After all Christ’s greatest attributes are LOVE and MERCY. And I am truly convinced from the thread that I posted before that the lifestyle is based on self-hate not love.

I have known a lot of gay people, and I have yet to find a single one of them who is truly happy. If gay people were honest with us and not simply interested in arguing with us, I think that they would admit this to us. A lot of reason that I think that they hate the Catholic Church and Christianity is because I think they believe that we’re supposed to give them hope instead of condemning them and they think that we’ve failed in that! And because we emit so much hate towards them, they succeed in blaming all of the self-hate problems that are correlated with the gay lifestyle on homophobia instead of issues surrounding the decision to live this lifestyle! However, blacks in America experienced great racism, Jim Crow laws, slavery, etc. Yet, they never committed suicide in the same extent that gays and bisexuals do when living their lifestyle to the fullest.

If I were writing that article I might argue that we are legalizing self-hate in the name of love, maybe because we are society that likes to take the easy way out in difficult issues. Just like the free love hippie movements often led a lot of pain instead of love. Just like Communism’s effort to “end poverty” resulted in the deaths of millions of people. As a Catholic, I personally need myself to learn how to really love my gay and bisexual brothers and sinners.

Here are some points that I would make in arguing for love not the legalization of self-hate:
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Maybe a suggestion.
  1. Express sympathy for LGBT people who are targets of so much hate from their family, friends, Christians, as well as Nazism movements such as in Germany that killed homosexuals as well as Jews, blacks, and gypsies. Tell them that the Christian community is dedicated to protecting their lives and working towards their eternal happiness as well and opposition to gay marriage and homosexual behavior (not homosexual feelings - the behavior) is part of that concern. Condemn violence and hatred against gays as wrong in addition to acts of homosexual behavior according to Christian teaching.
  2. Provide links for contacting a Courage (Catholic ministry to support the LGBT population and help with chastity) as well as the meeting group time for the Rosary so that they have a place to come and pray with others about their problems.
  3. Talk about the effects on the children of both divorce and homosexuality. Out from Under talks about the traumatization she experienced from living with a gay father. Children who live with homosexual parents are also more likely to become homosexual themselves and so live with self-hate in their own lives.
  4. Demonstrate the self-hate inherent in homosexuality with statistics from scientific journals and gay magazines. Here are a few suggestions:
    From the article linked to in my other post as well as this article:
    catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0095.html
High levels of promiscuity. Lesbians are about 4.5 times more likely to have more than 50 male sex partners than female heterosexuals. 60% of gay mean have sex with someone outside their partner in the first year of a relationship. 90% do so by the fifth year of a relationship. Only 9% of homosexual relationships last longer than 16 years. 15% of
homosexual men claim to have between 500 and 999% partners. 28% of homosexual men claim to have had more than 1000
partners. Many homosexuals are now arguing that monogamy is another example of homophobia.

High contraction of Sexually Transmitted Diseases
60% of homosexual men engage in anal sex, frequently without condom and even, if they know that they are HIV positive.
Many diseases are associated with anal intercourse that are rare or unknown among heterosexuals such as: anal cancer, Chlamydia trachomatis, Cryptosporidium, Giardia lamblia, Herpes simplex virus, HIV, Human papiloma virus, Isopora belli,
Microsporidia, Gonorrhorea, Syphilis, Hepatitis B and C and others.

Young homosexual men aged 15-22 who ever had anal sex had a fivefold increased risk of contracting HIV than those who never engaged in anal sex.

The term “barebacking” refers to intential unsafe anal sex. In a study of HIV-positive gay men, the majority of participants (84%) reported engaging in barebacking the past three months and 43% of these men reported bareback sex with a partner who most likely is not infected with HIV.

Condoms (even 100% of the time) fail to give adequate protection against many non-HIV STDs such as Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, Chlamydia, Herpes, Genital Warts and others.

Over 70% of all AIDS diagnoses in Canada in adults over the age of 15 up to June 2004 are to homosexual men.

High levels of suicide, depression, and psychiatric illness
At the age of 21, homosexuals/bisexuals were at fourfold increased risks of major depression and conduct disorder, fivefold increased risk of nicotine dependence, twofold increased risk of other substance misuse or addiction and six times more likely to have attempted suicide. To the best of my imperfect knowledge, black people and other ethnic minorities actually suffer depression less than the gay community, not more because of the unique properties of African American culture. They experienced a legacy of slavery and don’t engage in massive suicide - maybe it is not homophobia that is causing gay people to be so depressed but is connected with circumstances that surround the lifestyle itself.

Even in communities such as the Netherlands that have legalized gay-marriage and have less homophobia, the rates of major depression, bipolar disorder, agoraphobia, obsessive compulsive disorder and drug addiction are much higher.

Homosexuality and Pedophilia
IThe link between homosexuality and pedophilia. The number of homosexuals in essentially all surveys is less than 3%. However, the percentage of homosexuals among pedophiles is 25%. So the prevalence of pedophilia among homosexuals is about 10-25 times higher than one would expect if the proportion of pedophiles were evenly distributed within the populations.

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
There are already associations calling for man-boy love. NAMBLA, based in San Francisco/New York. Here is the website: nambla.org/ . This is what they argue:
Pederasty is the main form that male homosexuality has acquired throughout Western civilization - and not only in the West! Pederasty is inseperable from the high points of Western culture - ancient Greece and the Renaissance. In Germany, in the late nineteenth century, pederasty was an integral part of the new gay movement.
The first gay journal in the world - Der Eigene, published beginning in 1896 was a pederast and anarchist journal “for male culture”.
nambla.org/pederasty.htm

The more societal taboos come down, the more people will unwittinly get involved in this lifestyle! Why aren’t homosexuals who know about NAMBLA speaking about shutting it down as a greater affront to society than the lack of gay marriage. And we can’t expect children to speak up for themselves, they are children!

When homosexuality was widespread in Greece, it commonly was praticed with boys.

Homosexuality and Polygamy
In societies where homosexuality has become legal, people have started advocating for forms of polygamy, saying they need a “sperm donor” to be included in the marriage. I can look this up if you want me to. 🙂

**Homosexuals Can Change!**In 1973, Dr. Robert Spitzer, Chief of Biometrics Research and Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University, was the psychiatrist behind removing gay from a list of mental disorders. He now believes that some gay people can change through the results of his research after a period of time. His words, “Like most psychiatrists, I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted, but sexual orientation could not be changed. I now believe that’s untrue - some people can and do change.” catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/ho0042.html

The ex-gays staged a demonstration at the American Psychiatric Association’s annual conference two years ago with placards saying “Homosexuals Can Change – We Did – Ask Us!” Others said, “Don’t affirm Me into a Lifestyle that was Killing Me Physically and Spiritually,” and “The APA Has Betrayed America with Politically Correct Science.”

While most gay people in these programs still suffer from the desires, most of them report better emotional well being as a result of these programs whether they are completely changed or not!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
On second thought, I would pray very very deeply before writing anything about the relationship between Homosexuality and Pedophilia. While the research may be true, this may cause persecution and victimization and hatred of the homosexual community. On the other hand, gay marriage puts a lot of children into situations where they can be victimized, so it is difficult for me to discern where our responsibility as Catholics lies.

Perhaps before you write anything in the article talk about with a priest and spiritual director. Almost every time an initiative against the societal acceptance of homosexual behavior has passed it has been accompanied by violence and sometimes murder of homosexuals. This is an issue that must be handled with care, love, and mercy! We are to love homosexuals, not contribute to their persecution with the help of Jesus and Mary. I pray the best for your endeavor since I on my own as a poor and pitiful sinner do not know how to do so myself! 😦

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
On second thought, I would pray very very deeply before writing anything about the relationship between Homosexuality and Pedophilia. While the research may be true, this may cause persecution and victimization and hatred of the homosexual community. On the other hand, gay marriage puts a lot of children into situations where they can be victimized, so it is difficult for me to discern where our responsibility as Catholics lies.

Perhaps before you write anything in the article talk about with a priest and spiritual director. Almost every time an initiative against the societal acceptance of homosexual behavior has passed it has been accompanied by violence and sometimes murder of homosexuals. This is an issue that must be handled with care, love, and mercy! We are to love homosexuals, not contribute to their persecution with the help of Jesus and Mary. I pray the best for your endeavor since I on my own as a poor and pitiful sinner do not know how to do so myself! 😦
I agree wholeheartedly. Looking at my article I agree with what I wrote and I think it makes sense, but it is a very heavy and harsh article that, although I don’t think it contains anything that would provoke persecution of gays, could nonetheless incite something bad.

And even if I do something that is more merciful and loving, I am unsure how to write it.

In the end, it could go either way: I might not do it, or maybe I might find out that I should do it. Or perhaps I could do a different article altogether on an entirely different subject.
 
Maybe you might pray a Rosary and a Divine Mercy Chaplet and then ask your priest for his thoughts on the article! I have gone to my priest for spiritual direction before and the results have never been negative. 🙂
  1. The Lord Jesus greatly protects His representatives on earth. How closely He is united with them; and He orders me to give priority to their opinion over His. I have come to know the great intimacy which exists between Jesus and the priest. Jesus defends whatever the priest says, and often complies with his wishes, and sometimes makes His own relationship with a soul depend on the priest’s advice. O Jesus, through a special grace, I have come to know very clearly to what extent You have shared Your power and mystery with them, more so than with the Angels. I rejoice in this, for it is all for my good.
saint-faustina.com/Diary/DMIMS26.shtml

Honestly, I think that you are doing a good deed giving that this issue, abortion, the legacy of slavery and colonialism, and worldwide starvation are probably the heaviest battles that Christians face. Think back to the time of slavery, how difficult and rare it was for anyone to protest slavery without death-threats, etc. I think to me - it is when an issue becomes so emotionally laden that you know it is an issue of great consequence to society.

You will be in my prayers. 🙂

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
Sometimes Truth is harsh. It’s difficult to put it another way. (It wouldn’t come across so harshly if there were not so many people living deeply in this sin now.)

Unfortunately, our society is devolving to the point where it is criminal behavior to state Catholic moral teaching. This is already the case in some nations. You likely are taking some personal risk (not criminal if you’re in the U.S.) if you write such an article. Bear in mind, though, that God expects us to stand up for Truth regardless of consequence.

As for pedophilia - that refers to sexual activity with pre-pubescent people (children). I’m not sure of the relationship to homosexuality, but what is commonly referred to as ‘pedophilia’ - sex with 12-14 year-old boys - is very strongly correlated to homosexually active men.
 
Another thought. 😛

Compare gay marriage to child marriage and polygamy. These things are commonly practiced in the Middle East and Africa. If we allow gay marriage, it strikes me as morally wrong not to allow polygamy and child marriage as well.
 
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