Need Help with Divine Liturgy

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I’ve been contemplating a canonical change to Byzantine Rite from the Latin Rite 🙂 . I need help figuring out where to get a missal (not sure what it’s called) so I can learn everything I need to know in order to participate better. My family and I want to follow along and it’s hard to do with the blue book sometimes. If this is what I need where do I get one?

Also, this is driving me nuts: During the DL, the priest turns around and says something (in Greek I think) to the poeple and they respond in the same language. What is it??? It’s like when he says “Glory to Jesus Christ” and the people respond to that. I simply must find out before I go crazy!!! Please help.

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From my memory of the Byzantine liturgy the only time I recall the priest speaking to the people in this way and they respond is after the gospel when they have the various different responses. For example The priest says:‘Christ is risen.’ response: ‘indeed He is risen’. He might say it in Greek and Slavonic as well.

This is a good site for Eastern Christian books. I am not sure whether they have liturgical books.

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ThereseMarie said:
Also, this is driving me nuts: During the DL, the priest turns around and says something (in Greek I think) to the poeple and they respond in the same language. What is it??? It’s like when he says “Glory to Jesus Christ” and the people respond to that. I simply must find out before I go crazy!!! Please help.
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Is it part of the liturgy? The most common thing I can think of when the priest turns around is when he blesses the congregation and says “Eirini pasi,” to which the congregation responds “Kai to Pnevmati sou” (“Peace be to all” / “And to thy spirit”). That’s in Greek of course.
 
Therese Marie

Which Byzantine Church do you attend ? In what language is your DL normally ?
 
wannabee said:
Therese Marie

Which Byzantine Church do you attend ? In what language is your DL normally ?
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I visit St Basil the Great in Dallas, TX It is Ruthenian, I think and in English, but the priest sometimes says Kyrie Eleison, Kyrie Eleison… then follows with “Senor ten piedad, Senor ten piedad…” several times, which of course is Spanish for Lord, have mercy.

The thing he says is something like “slavus…” I just don’t know. But I am going to be crazy if I can’t figure it out! I should have asked him last time we were there, but forgot to. Next weekend, Metropolitan Basil will be there to visit, so I am stoked!
 
ThereseMarie said:
The thing he says is something like “slavus…” I just don’t know. But I am going to be crazy if I can’t figure it out! I should have asked him last time we were there, but forgot to. Next weekend, Metropolitan Basil will be there to visit, so I am stoked!
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Slava Isusu Christu = Glory to Jesus Christ

Slava Otsyu… = Glory to the Father…

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jj2011 said:
Slava Isusu Christu = Glory to Jesus Christ

Slava Otsyu… = Glory to the Father…

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THAT"S IT!!! Slava Isusu Christu! Thank you so much! What is the response? What languange is that? I can’t wait til Sunday!

Blessings,
 
He’ll say “Slava isusu Christu”
you say, “Slava na viki”
Glory to Jesus Christ,
Glory forever.

Check out the Metropolitan Cantor Institute website, it is the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic’s institute.
metropolitancantorinstitute.org/
They have a wealth of info, propers, etc… and the liturgy on the site.
 
"Slah’-vah Ee-sue’-sue Chreh-stoo’ " where the ch is pronounced as a soft k sound (like in ach in German) and the r is rolled.

(My Latin rite husband usually waits until someone says this first and then gives the response: “Slah’ -vah nah vee’ kee.” It’s a little easier to say.)
 
ThereseMarie said:
THAT"S IT!!! Slava Isusu Christu! Thank you so much! What is the response? What languange is that? I can’t wait til Sunday!

Blessings,
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You’re very welcome. The response is pronounced:

Slava na veekee = Glory forever.

That’s sounds like Ukrainian, although if it’s a Ruthenian priest it’s more likely to me he was speaking in Church Slavonic. These languages can sound quite similar.

Church Slavonic is the language of Divine Liturgy whose alphabet was invented by Saints Cyril and Methodius. What I gave would be a correct response for a Ukrainian, but perhaps one of our experts can give us the Slavonic.
 
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Is that Ukrainian? There is no Y-sound in the Slavonic Otcu, right?
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I heard the Ukrainians sing the doxology two ways.

Slava Otsevi i Sinevi i Schatomu Duchevi…

Slava Otsyu i Sinu i Schatomu Duchy…

I don’t know if one is Ukrainian and the other Slavonic, or if they just have different translations.

It goes without saying that I apologize for whatever language(s) I may be murdering here…
 
jj2011 said:
I heard the Ukrainians sing the doxology two ways.

Slava Otsevi i Sinevi i Schatomu Duchevi…

Slava Otsyu i Sinu i Schatomu Duchy…

I don’t know if one is Ukrainian and the other Slavonic, or if they just have different translations.

It goes without saying that I apologize for whatever language(s) I may be murdering here…
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😃

The Slavonic is (transliterated): “Slava Otcu i Synu i Svjatomu Duhu, i nyne i prisno i vo veki vekov.” The real text is “Слава Отцу и Сыну и Святому Духу, и ныне и присно и во веки веков.” I’ve never seen the Ukrainian written out but it sounds to my ears like “Slava Otsju i Sinu I Svjetemu Duhovi, i nine i potsachas? i vo viki vichni.” 🤷
 
wynd said:
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The Slavonic is (transliterated): “Slava Otcu i Synu i Svjatomu Duhu, i nyne i prisno i vo veki vekov.” The real text is “Слава Отцу и Сыну и Святому Духу, и ныне и присно и во веки веков.” I’ve never seen the Ukrainian written out but it sounds to my ears like “Slava Otsju i Sinu I Svjetemu Duhovi, i nine i potsachas? i vo viki vichni.” 🤷
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They seemed to have two declensions for “Father” and “Son,” giving them a couple of different ways of singing the doxology.

Slava Otsevi i Sinevi I Svjatomu Duhovi, nine i potsachas i na viki vikiv amin.

Slava Otcu i Synu i Svjatomu Duhovi, neni i zavzhdi i na viki vikiv amin.

But at other times they’d use the termination:

i na viki vichni amin.
 
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