Need Help with Sacrifice Re-presentation Question

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OK This is the dialogue that myself and a friend of mine are having,

I was looking for a good way to answer

This is how the dialogue is going.

The Calvinist: As to the Eucharist

The Bible tells us:
"By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet. 14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified, (Heb. 10:10-14).

My Response:
Absolutely we agree.
about Hebrews 10:11-12

We Catholics believe in the one sacrifice of Christ on the Cross— we believe the Bible Grace.

What is your point?
(I actually Knew what her point was so I continued)

Me continuing:
Malachi’s prediction (1:10–11) that the Lord would reject Jewish sacrifices and instead would have “a pure offering” made to him by the Gentiles in every place is fulfilled in the Eucharist.
The in every place part is accomplished though the Eucharist.

The Eucharist is not a re-sacrifice for there is only one sacrifice. We know that. In the Catholic Eucharist it is a re- presentation of that one sacrifice not a re-sacrifice.

Now got to go again, will be back later.

My Friend’s Response:
Hi

Read Malachi 1 and then ask yourself,

Who are the Gentiles?
What is the only pure offering?
Where and when will that pure offering be offered?
What happens to people who hold that offering in contempt?

Calvinist’s Response:
Hmm…funny thing is…

Jesus presented the Lord’s Supper BEFORE His sacrifice for us. How can it be a re-presentation of something that had not happened yet?

So Is there a good rebuttal to this. I have been thinking of ways to approach it but thought I would ask here first since you guys are a wealth of information. Thanks in advance Deana
 
deanarrca said:
Calvinist’s Response:
Hmm…funny thing is…

Jesus presented the Lord’s Supper BEFORE His sacrifice for us. How can it be a re-presentation of something that had not happened yet?

So Is there a good rebuttal to this. I have been thinking of ways to approach it but thought I would ask here first since you guys are a wealth of information. Thanks in advance Deana
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Being both God and man, Jesus Christ exists both in time and outside of time. He makes that very clear at the Last Supper by the language he uses:

“my body which is given for you”
“my blood…which is poured out”

Not “will be given…will be poured out”, but IS.
 
Thanks- That was most helpful.

It was also such an obvious thing and plain in the scripture in front of me. Even in the King James (This person we are talking with is a king James Onlyist)

She come on a Catholic forum/blog my friends and I are on . She is kinda of a hit and run poster and we know she is there trying to just stir things up. We usually ignore her and try not to take the bait but sometimes, well it is nice to have a good rebuttal and engage every now and then. We’ll see if she will come back to the discussion.

Anyway Thanks again
It also helps me to defend my faith.I like knowing I can defend my faith. 🙂
 
deanarrca said:
Calvinist’s Response:
Hmm…funny thing is…

Jesus presented the Lord’s Supper BEFORE His sacrifice for us. How can it be a re-presentation of something that had not happened yet?

So Is there a good rebuttal to this. I have been thinking of ways to approach it but thought I would ask here first since you guys are a wealth of information. Thanks in advance Deana
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Ask her if she was an apostle at that last supper or a spectator at the foot of the cross and happened to blink her eyes for a moment if the sacrifice went away in each of the few moments her eyes closed and reopened? Ask her if she sinned and turned her back on Jesus as Peter did 3 times if that sacrifice being blind to her went away in her temporary absence?

The sacrifice is eternal and always before the omniscient God who being timeless forever beholds His Son’s sacrifice in Glory and Honor and in every way meaningful and pleasurable to Himself. When we represent the sacrifice of the mass we are asking God to open us to that same sacrifice, place us on the cross with Jesus and open our spiritual eyes to its truth so we can commune with Him and share in that Glory, honor and eternal salvific grace.

James
 
deanarrca said:
Calvinist’s Response:
Hmm…funny thing is…

Jesus presented the Lord’s Supper BEFORE His sacrifice for us. How can it be a re-presentation of something that had not happened yet?
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“Foreshadowing”!

Jesus was nothing if not a good “author”, having a rather intimate relationship with His subject matter (which was Himself).

:shamrock2:
 
There is but one Sacrifice.

From the eternal viewpoint of God, it makes no difference whether a “re-presentation” (i.e. a making present again) occurs before or after the given “historical” event. The eucharist celebrated at the Last Supper as well as every subsequent Eucharist are in fact one with the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.
 
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