Need help with Scrupulosity

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Ive been having trouble with scrupulosity, for a long time. Ive read and learned about this condition, and I ve seen that I posess most if not all of the characteristics ive been reading about: Doubt, anxiety, fear of past already confessed sins, fear of not having confessed sins sufficiently, and countless others. Ive often asked for advice, but I get the same old answers. And though they do help, over time i begin to doubt these things as well, and get no peace from reading sites like mission.liquori.org , Ill feel good while reading some of the stuff, but then 5 seconds later ill go back to the circular doubtful thinking. People often say to find a good spiritual director and confessor, but i dont live that close to my church, and dont have my lisence yet, so its not like can head over to the church whenever I want. I also get very anxious in these kind of situations, like when i need help, but feel too akward to ask. My Scruples drive me carzy all the time, but sometimes, they get and extra power up and they really iritate me to the point where I cant think of anything else, and going in this circular mode of thinking, where I think im sinning, then I say im not then I doubt that, and it goes 'round and 'round for hours. I just really need some help, any other reading material that I may not have read already.
 
I am sorry you are having troubles with this. I think we all struggle with certain things that hinder us. I had some bad times with anxieties and such some time back, and what really helped me was reading Psalms in the Bible and the New Testament. I found it gave me peace.
You might want to start a journal writing your feelings down and then praying and communicating with Jesus. He knows your struggles, He went through such anxiety and stress. Pray and ask the Holy Spirit to come into your heart to help you.

You will be in my prayers. You can come here anytime to talk about what you are going throug and know that you are not alone.
 
Have you mediated a lot on the Passion of Christ - such as the 14 Station of the Cross, the Divine Mercy, and the Rosary?

Through these devotions, you may experience more the love of God for you and eventually you will realize that how forgiving and loving God is.
 
Crippling scrupulosity is sometimes a symptom of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). Ask your parents to take you to the doctor to see if this is possibly your problem.

Betsy
 
Check this out:

//mission.liguori.org Then, click on newsletters. It opens up to their Scrupulosity Anonymous.

A friend of mine suffered greatly from scruples and this helped her a lot.

God bless.
 
I had a friend one time who was very scrupulos. A preist said something to her that basically snapped her out of it, after she meditated on it. It was so good that I wrote it down and will share it with you…

“Scrupulosity is funamentally, a self absorbed turning inward which blocks the ability to both give and receive God’s love.”

God Bless
 
I had a friend one time who was very scrupulos. A preist said something to her that basically snapped her out of it, after she meditated on it. It was so good that I wrote it down and will share it with you…

“Scrupulosity is funamentally, a self absorbed turning inward which blocks the ability to both give and receive God’s love.”

God Bless
That’s a good one. I wish I had heard that when I was trying to help my scrupulous friend.
 
“Scrupulosity is funamentally, a self absorbed turning inward which blocks the ability to both give and receive God’s love.”

God Bless
So, what is this quote supposed to mean? Are you saying that im being self absorbed, because im scrupulous, id say that isnt true.
 
So, what is this quote supposed to mean? Are you saying that im being self absorbed, because im scrupulous, id say that isnt true.
Nope, I’m not saying anything about you. I don’t know you. I was simply stating what scrupulosity really is. I just know the quote had a profound affect on my friend after she took it to prayer. I thought it might be helpful to you as well. If it’s not helpful perhaps the responses from the other members will be.

God bless you, You’re in my prayers
Nate
 
Nope, I’m not saying anything about you. I don’t know you. I was simply stating what scrupulosity really is. I just know the quote had a profound affect on my friend after she took it to prayer. I thought it might be helpful to you as well. If it’s not helpful perhaps the responses from the other members will be.

God bless you, You’re in my prayers
Nate
Its just the way you said it, gave the impression that you think this is something im practicing out of my own free will, and that I want it ,and it isnt that way at all.
 
Its just the way you said it, gave the impression that you think this is something im practicing out of my own free will, and that I want it ,and it isnt that way at all.
Nope. Didn’t mean that at all. I was simply giving you a quote. Be careful what you read into these posts. Most of the time it just is what it is. God bless.
 
Dear Aarons Staff,
your words affect me, because for several years I suffered your trouble, when I was young.
I think you received a bunch of good advices, and I just underline what was useful for me:
  1. Find a good, smart and practical priest and obey him on this matter. Since you said it’s difficult for you to reach your parish, pray to find a way to solve the problem.
  2. It’s very, very, very important you convince yourself, you become imbued with the awareness that God loves you, and that He can’t absolutely be the God of scruples. Meditate the Passion, read the Diary of Saint Faustina Kowalska, read the Story of a Soul of Saint Thérèse of Lisieux (she suffered of scrupolosity and she got by!) and whatever may convince you that the god of scruples is not God.
  3. It’s true your problem could be partly correlated with OCD, in my case it was. But be careful: find a Christian psychologist, that’ll cure your psychological problem and not “cure” your religiousness.
  4. Be patient! Saint Thérèse suffered a year of this problem and me, more thickhead in grasping the kindness of God… something less of 10 years, if I remember well (luckily it was a lot of time ago).
    I hope you’ll be smarter than I 😉 but in any case don’t forget that you may offer your sufferings to God and… it’s impossible to beat Him in generosity. These days, it’s your way to sanctify yourself, don’t get discouraged!!!
All the best!!

Aurelio
 
Scrupulosity could be an extrension of OCD or an Obsessive Personality. Excessive guilt, a need to control everything, or being perfect are issues of mental hygiene and mental health.

Being on an anti-depressant like an SSRI might help you and I would recommend it.

Also, learing to get close successfully to your partner can also improve your symptoms of scrupulosity.

Best wishes,

BK
 
nkmeck - I wholeheartedly agree with what you noted/quoted.

Upon my return to the church two and a half years ago, (after 20 years away) I suffered through scrupulosity terribly the first year and into the second year. I had an excellent confessor - I saw him first and saw him every time thereafter, except when he was out of town and I “had” to see someone else. I read books right and left, I searched google, I searched EVERYwhere, high and low, for anything that would tell me what is wrong, why do I feel/think this way, what can I do about it, will it ever let up??

My confessor allowed me to email him (which I tried to do as minimally as possible) and so from time to time I would just pour out what I was thinking and feeling. I recall even asking him if I was suffering from scrupulosity (I had just discovered the term!)

To the credit of our most awesome God and the working of the Holy Spirit in his life, he constantly guided me back to Jesus.

Somewhere along the way, I read something just like what nkmeck quoted. My first thoughts were - WHAT?? Now I’m full of pride too?? Well, after many days, weeks, months of serious prayer, I realized that yes - it is rooted in pride. Which, at this point, is not an entirely bad thing. (I read a lot of things all at the same time, so I am terrible at remembering who says what in which book) At the same time, I read about how people move through their faith in stages. For instance, if you weren’t growing, you wouldn’t even know there WAS something called scrupulosity and you wouldn’t care about changing it. Stages include first being “self-absorbed” (for lack of better terminology) which is actually quite necessary for getting to know yourself, what sin IS, the difference between venial and mortal, how to recognize sin in the events of your life where you would never have thought twice about it before. These are all signs of GROWING in your faith - of **being **converted - of the VERY active life of the Holy Spirit within you.

The key is to *continue *growing and soon you will find yourself (again, through the work of the Holy Spirit) looking outwards instead of inwards. You begin looking to the people in your parish - with compassion and a desire to help - to the people at school, in your job, at the mall, on the street - all in with a new reference point of Jesus and the Holy Spirit present in THEM AND you.

The reason people will tell someone who is suffering from scrupulosity to ponder, read, pray, think or realize the depth of Jesus’ love for you is because in his LOVE, you will discover that HE is taking care of you and He does not want you to fall, does not want to judge you for every little thing, does not want to cast you into hell for the slightest imperfection. And once you are willing (an act of the WILL, not of the emotions!) to accept that, you can ask Him to help you move on.

To stay that scrupulosity is simply an extension of one’s pride and is selfish or self-absorbed is **not **to say you’re a bad person, go confess this terrible mental state and get on with your life. I believe that in viewing it as an element of pride, we are prompted to stop and ask the Holy Spirit to help us truly see ourselves as Jesus sees us and ask… am I just being self-absorbed? am I willing to see that about me? Jesus… will you change me, please?

Truly, the best cure for scrupulosity is to volunteer… give away something - your time, your money, your talent - DO CHARITY. It’s no mistake that Charity and Love (I Cor 13) are interchangeable!!! They ARE indeed, one in the same. In doing for others (less fortunate than you or not) brings you out of yourself - helps you see Jesus in others and see just how loving and merciful He is.

I’m not saying it will happen overnight. I’m not saying you have to give away all your money and volunteer at the homeless shelter 5 days a week (although if you can/do - God BLESS you!!) - I’m saying it’s a better cure than reading 10,000 books on how to cure yourself, spending money at a therapist or taking Prozac. Granted, those prone to scrupulosity may be prone to psychological issues such as depression, OCD, obsessive personality, etc. etc. But no one ever said your only cure is a drug.

I hope this doesn’t sound too soap-box-ish. Having been there (and still there from time to time), having the tendency toward obsessive personality “disorder” and a serious student of psychology as well as the great saints of our faith… I just want to say… where there is Faith… there is HOPE… and there is Charity… and the love of Jesus will lead you to Charity… in all its glorious forms!

If I may, I recommend the book Understanding Scrupulosity by Father Thomas Santa. You’ll recognize his name from the Scrupulous Anonymous newsletter already recommended in this thread.

God bless you on your journey, AaronsStaff… may this be a time of exploration of yourself, your faith and your growth toward God. May Jesus fill you with His love so that you may fill the world with His charity!
 
Fizendell,

What an amazing, incredible, powerful witness!!! Your post said everything I wanted to say (but never could have said as well as you did) to the OP. You brought the “quote” to life, and showed how it applied to your life. I truly feel blessed for having read that!

God bless you, HARD!
Nate
 
Many thanks and my prayers are with all who suffer through this.

As I read my post just before hitting submit… I wondered… who IS this person typing? Surely it can’t be me!!! Where did all of THAT come from?

My prayer is that it is from the Holy Spirit!

God bless you all!
 
Fizendell, in response to your first post, you said that you believe scrupulosity was from pride. I disagree with that in my case, I believe the root of the problem is fear. Pride and fear can often get mixed sometimes to a certain extent in my opinion. Im not being prideful and underestimating the love and mercy of God, im being fearful that I may be commiting sins that I dont want to commit, some of the supposed “sins” would be laughable to most, and some would say they arent sins, but in my mind I take them all seriously. It seems to me that your implying that I and most other scrupulous people, are freely and willingly subscribing to this way of thinking, and thats not how it is. I dont want to have scrupulosity, but I cant stop it. Youre telling me to confess my scrupulosity, but im not being scrupulous by my own free will, its almost like a reflex,( do something that you percieve to be a sin, then anguish over it, when in reality it is not. and all this can happen in a few seconds)
 
I think it’s important to say that not all scrupulosity is evidence of self-absorption or pride. I myself have struggled through scrupulosity for a while now, and I can assure you that there is nothing I would love more than to be able to throw all of it out of my mind and to focus on something else. Scrupulosity in and of itself is not a sin (as Fr. Santa from Scrupulous Anonymous points out), but it is a sickness, and it needs to be dealt with.

AaronsStaff, you say you do not have easy access to a regular confessor. Such access though, I believe, is critical to overcoming scrupulosity. It was not until I found a confessor who understood and desired to help me overcome my condition that I found my scrupulosity lessening. Is there any way you could arrange a ride to meet with a parish priest on a regular basis?
 
No no no. Your not connecting your holiness to your actions in your relationships. Instead you create your holiness in your ideas and thoughts.

Just get close to people and your partners sincerely. Abandon yourself into love and connecting to real world people. Don’t use your religion and spirituality as an excuse or way to get one up on someone else. Of course, it takes patience, time, and god’s will. Sometimes we need to struggle for a long time to realize just how weak in love we are before God graces us with the revelation of love.

Meds can still help by taking off the edge I bet. Not everything in spirituality has a spiritual answer.

BK
 
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