Need Prayer and Encouragement in My Marriage

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I wish more people would give me some more support in my role and task in being a wife and mom, but maybe today it’s rare.
I haven’t seen it as lack of support for the role of a wife and mom.

If a family is struggling, and the mom can do something to make it better, why can’t she? Earning money is not contrary to being a wife and mom, IMHO. —KCT
 
Hi,

I don’t know my Bible half as well as I should, but doesn’t the passage about the Capable Wife have a reference to that wife earning money for her household, in addition to doing the traditional duties?

We are soon to become a family of six and can simply not feed all these kids on one income, so I started a home-based daycare. I have actually had to do this on and off for the last five years, depending on hubby’s job situation. I am at home with my children full time, and bringing in the added income we need. I’m sure you could find a similar way to meet all your families needs. And my sons are learning that every member of our family does what is necessary to meet the needs of our family.

Try to consider all the outside-the-box options.

Freda
 
Thanks so much Freda.

As one poster listed above many crucial points, I agree, it is so important to not run into marriage unless the man has a decent job, in which they can totally support a family on going into the marriage. I did not have this. We were young, in love, and I didn’t have a clue what my hubby to be even wanted to do with his life, or have any knowledge about his family, or anything. I was young and blind, looking back. And my family gave me no direction at all. I was left, as I am now floundering on my own, with no help at any turn, financially or otherwise.

If I had it to do over again, I would only marry a professional man. This is how I feel. Our life has been constant chaos because I did not. I can’t even imagine how you manage with several kids, while we have only 2, and can barely manage. It’s so very hard.

I grew up in a well to do home, my mom was always a stay at home mom. We lacked for nothing, had many frequent vacations and our home was very loving and wonderful. My parents just celebrated 61 years of marriage. My husbands family the same. I attribute this as one reason why our marriage has lasted. But I admit it’s hard today, living in such meager means, with a husband not like my dad, an excellent wage earner, and spiritual leader (another story). I want to be good mom for my kids, not be too busy and too exhausted all the time, but it’s hard. I would be just too tired at this stage in my life to even consider an outside the home employment. My plate is pretty full just now. Just would maybe like to hear from some other stay at home moms who are managing with the Lord’s help.

Thanks much.

In Christ,
Gardenia
 
Don’t you see I AM helping him, by taking care of the children every day, preparing all meals, cleaning, grocery shopping, running errands, taking kids to all appts., to school and back every day, and ect., etc.? Why does everyone assume it’s not helping just because I don’t take on an outside job? That help is only valued monetary terms? This I do not understand.
Gardenia, do you think those of us who work contract this stuff out to others? I’ve been a single mom for more years than I can count, doing this while holding down one, two, and even three different jobs to make ends meet.

And yes, it’s because I was young, stupid, in love and didn’t really understand the undercurrents of his personality that would soon leave me fending for myself. I understand more than you know the boat you’re in.

And you have indicated a bigger piece of the puzzle. You grew up in financial luxury. (Compared to me… one of several children with a one-income family. Any extras we had, we had to earn ourselves. But due to that, I knew I could handle not getting everything I wanted. Heck, I didn’t even get them when I was married. He was an expert at ignoring anniversaries and birthdays also.)

Your life has taken a different course. If you want luxuries, you’ll have to earn them. It can be done. Don’t panic. And maybe the good thing that will come out of this will be your sons won’t get everything they want. So when they grow up, they won’t be used to sponging off their parents, and they’ll be hungry. Lots of teens aren’t hungry. They’re given everything they need and more. They have no incentive to get a good education and get a good job. They become lazy and spoiled. And they never grow up.

Maybe growing up like this will be the perfect incentive for your sons to do better. And maybe your husband’s parents are giving the money out of a sense of guilt that somehow they failed to instill any ambition in him. But that’s who he is, and that’s the man you married. If he is a good parent and husband otherwise, then ask the Blessed Mother, who lived in poverty herself, how to accept this for the spiritual betterment of your children.

You can see it as having “no extras.” Or you can see it as “simplifying and focusing on the essentials.” Life is how you view it. Glass half full or half empty?

It’s your choice. And how you view it will determine whether you are happy and at peace, or absolutely miserable.

And let’s be real. You grew up with everything. You had a high-flying career. But deep down, if that had really satisfied you, you would not have quit.

So you have embraced a down-scaled life. So don’t complain about it. It may be your kids’ spiritual salvation.

Instead of telling your husband how much he sucks because he doesn’t earn as much as your father, (which is basically what you are doing) have a conversation with him. Have you asked him how he feels not being able to provide everything? Have you asked him how much it may hurt to have to go begging for the mortgage from his parents and feel like a kid asking for his allowance?

How about saying this for a change:

I love you. Thank you for the kind man you are. Thank you for the hard work you do and the things you do provide. We are still having financial difficulties. How do you view this? What solutions do you see for this? Then LISTEN.

You might find out something you didn’t know before.

And I’m sure by now you know all the stores that sell stuff cheap, you cut coupons, you combine trips to save gas, you make your sons mow lawns and work shovelling snow or something for their money for things they want. And let me tell you, family unity is way more precious than anything you could own. If you don’t have that, it doesn’t matter how much money you have.

When your sons describe their childhood, do you want them to say “We didn’t have much money, but we were happy.” Or do you want them to say “Mom rode dad like a broken mule because he didn’t earn enough.” Or “We were poor and mom never let us forget it.”

Read Ronald Reagan’s description of his childhood. His dad was an alcoholic. His mom basically had to see to it that he and his brother had what they needed. He said “We were poor, but I didn’t know it then.” He credits his mom with how he turned out with his sunny optimistic outlook.

What you give your kids in their ability to handle life and their optimism or pessimism is far more important than anything you can buy. And you may have to lead by example here. If their father won’t set an example in industriousness, you need to show them.

And that will be in addition to all the other stuff you have to do. And like many of us already know, we don’t have a choice. Failure is not an option.

Good luck! 👍
 
If I had it to do over again, I would only marry a professional man. This is how I feel. Our life has been constant chaos because I did not.
**A person’s character matters, not their profession. If you have daughters, teaching them to marry a professional man if they want stability and security in their marriages will only hurt them. Professional men are just as capable of being unmotivated, lazy, and selfish as any other.

If you have sons who choose some other form of work (that isn’t “professional”) you will be teaching them that they aren’t worthy.

Like others have said, you need to appreciate what you do have but you also need to LEARN from this situation. That is how we build our own characters as well as grow in holiness. You need to ask yourself what would be pleasing to God. How can you help your husband and children attain holiness?

When your children are grown and have families of their own, what do you want them to remember and imitate about you**?

Malia
 
Dear Libera:

Thank you for taking the time to write your post. Every word of it was so very wise. Thank you.😃 Please pray for me if you will.

How does one attain a spirit of humility and thankfulness? How does one stop feeling disappointment and resentment inside? How??? How did you Libera? How and when did you learn to forgive yourself? your husband for letting you and the kids down so? Please share with me what helped you.

I go to Mass every Sunday, read my devotions, etc., but still can’t seem to shake a lot of times the “poor me” feelings inside. I try to instill spiritual values in my children, we guide them, we watch out for their influences, etc., I know we’re good honest parents, and have been told so by many, and I know we have a loving home; but every day I feel so let down, and wonder why did I quit working? Life was, in a way, easier then, but…I know I quit because I was tired of being the woman AND the man, that’s why. And I couldn’t do it anymore, physically or emotionally. God is trying to teach me some big lessons here–I know it.

Malia: Thank you for your post too! I’m trying friends with God’s help seek His Will through this tough time. Thank you for your encouragement:)

P.S. My dh feels bad about his situation, but does nothing to rectify it. That’s my worry.

I’m really going to this week, try to have a more positive outlook, and only a spirit of thankfulness through every trial.
 
i found your ‘professional man’ comment quite judgemental and wrong-i completely agree with Feanaro’s wife

it doesnt even sound like you love this man 😦

you also have not responded to the suggestions of getting a pt job

:confused:
 
How does one attain a spirit of humility and thankfulness? How does one stop feeling disappointment and resentment inside? How??? How did you Libera? How and when did you learn to forgive yourself? your husband for letting you and the kids down so? Please share with me what helped you.
I go to Mass every Sunday, read my devotions, etc., but still can’t seem to shake a lot of times the “poor me” feelings inside… but every day I feel so let down, and wonder why did I quit working? Life was, in a way, easier then, but…I know I quit because I was tired of being the woman AND the man, that’s why. And I couldn’t do it anymore, physically or emotionally. God is trying to teach me some big lessons here–I know it.
Good questions, Gardenia (By the way, that’s my very favorite flower! 😃 )

I’m lucky I came from a military family. So my mom was a very independent woman who raised many children with dad working/away/getting his masters, etc. I watched her as I grew up, out with the chain saw trimming bushes and trees. She was a SAHM who taught me that God takes care of you if you trust him. So I grew up with a very military mindset. You don’t abandon your post. Duty first, even when it’s hard. Especially when it’s hard.

Who we are is way more important than what we own. I’ll tell you what has helped me, ironically. The divorce. Watching xh cart much of my furniture (which was his before the wedding) and possessions out the door when he moved out. Leaving empty rooms. Losing most of what I had made me realize how unimportant it all is. When I’m finally able to move out of here and go back home, I’m giving most of what I have to SafePlace to help some other battered wives get a new start. And I’ll start over with less stuff.

Another thing that helped me be thankful was almost losing two of my three children. One I almost miscarried. For two hours I thought she was dead. The other had to have brain surgery at age 6. Again, when you go through that, the stuff filling your house is really worthless. As one priest told us in a Mother’s Day sermon, “Your children are the only thing you can take with you to heaven.” I’m grateful for my children and their health. The rest is just stuff that rust consumes and moths eat.

Having to empty xh’s father’s house and handle his estate (with no help from xh) helped me to see how worthless all that “stuff” is that we spend our lives accumulating. We think it’s worth so much, but in the end, it just becomes someone else’s pain in the neck to dispose of.

Yes, I still apologize to my kids for the choice of their father. But they love him (mostly) and what little good he does for them I have to accept as helping them grow up to be strong and feel loved by him. And as I’ve mowed my own lawn and handled everything, I’ve done my share of muttering to myself. “If he had to be half the man I’ve had to be since I met him, he’d STILL be a woman!”

What helps me? Prayer. Dependence on God, who said “Trust God. Do not put your trust in any man.” And I quit looking at him. When I do, it sucks me into the vortex. I only rate myself by my own personal best. I don’t need to say anything about him letting us down. He will answer to God for whatever he did. I will also render an account for what I do or don’t do. I don’t have the luxury of resenting him. Though that’s easy to do. He lives on a lot more money than I do. But none of it has made him happy.

Your kids will be gone from home very quickly. Spend every moment you can with them. I find the most fun I’ve had has been the “free” moments with the girls… watching a movie and eating popcorn. Talking with them late into the night. Eating dinner.

Gardenia, I don’t beat myself up anymore for the choices I made. Life has punished me enough for being a moron. I don’t need to pile on myself. I just have to show my kids that no matter what you’re hit with, God will help you through. And if I can do it with humor, even better! 👍

Over the years, I’ve learned to become very independent. I’ve let go of rigid sex roles. I’ve had in many ways to be both mother and father. I think it’s funny now. Because if you saw me, you’d be shocked. I’m very small and very much a girlie-girl. 😉 Kind of like Joan of Arc. Grab that sword and take that hill! Failure is not an option!
 
Continued…

Sometimes, Gardenia, God allows you to lose everything you think is important. Because only when your hands are empty can He fill them with better things. I still don’t know what God has in store for me. Right now I have to raise my children and get them to adulthood safely. There’s lots of posts all over the board about that. I won’t bore you here. There is no room for self-pity. I tried that for a while and it actually made me tireder. It sapped my own energy.

Society speaks a lot about the need for men to get in touch with their “feminine side.” I personally have learned to embrace my “inner man.” (He’s quite the go-getter, by the way.) I look back and wonder how I’ve come this far for over 11 years. Probably my Guardian Angel had a lot to do with it.

At the end of the day my kids need to know that no matter what, they have someone they can depend on. Rather than resenting the fact that it’s not their father in that role, I’m PROUD of the fact that I’m the one they know will always be there.

Being a mother is a sacred trust. God will not give you a job you can’t do. You started life as one kind of person. Ask God to change you into the person HE wants you to be. The second half of the prayer of St. Francis is helpful. “Grant that I may not seek so much to be consoled, as to console, to be loved, as to love, to be understood as to understand…”

The Seabees have a motto: “We can do it!” Go for it. You can too! 👍 And if you can be funny while you do it, you will find people following you just for the amusement value! 😃
 
P.S. My dh feels bad about his situation, but does nothing to rectify it. That’s my worry.
**Hmmmm… I think this one sentence is one of the most important in this entire thread.

Seems like it’s more an issue of him not ever learning the right things (mommy and daddy always bailing him out possibly?:rolleyes:) than him being inconsiderate or uncaring.

I think you have a great opportunity to help your husband grow into the man he should have become years ago. It will be absolutely essential to find the RIGHT counselor to help you both.

Start looking for one yourself and do interviews. Find out their views on marriage, gender roles, sex etc. Once you find one you think will help, discuss how to approach your hubby with the idea of getting help. Something like, “I see you struggling so hard to provide for our family and it breaks my heart that things just aren’t working out. I feel bad that you must think that I don’t see you as much of a man as you can be. I found someone who can help. I want you to be the man I see inside of you. Will you come?”

Just a thought…

malia
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Quoted by Sammi:

"i found your ‘professional man’ comment quite judgemental and wrong-i completely agree with Feanaro’s wife

it doesnt even sound like you love this man

you also have not responded to the suggestions of getting a pt job"

Hi Sammi. Thanks for writing!

Obtaining a p/t job outside the home for me right now, is really not an option Sammi. I already work 24/7, work my patooti off , with my home, family, carting kids here and there and their busy school schedules as it is now, and am frankly way too exhausted to even consider it. Plus, another factor too, is I’m too old now and am not able anymore. Life has taken its toll. I worked very hard for years and years; now I’m in another phase in my life, and I want to be protected and provided for. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for a woman to feel this way.

Thanks again for your opinions.🙂
 
Thank you Libera and Malia again for your suggestions.

First off, let me say we did go to counseling years ago for some completely different issues, ones concerning my husband’s indiscretions. This was so hard, as you can imagine. I never thought I would survive the depth of this kind of hurt. But I did. I chose to forgive, with God’s help.

Now though, I really don’t see how counseling over this issue would help things at all. But thanks for your suggestions. I did recommend that my husband take one of those professional skill tests, which he did years ago, it made no difference. He did have 2 very good and much better paying jobs in the past several years, but he lost them out of irresponsibility. So perhaps some of my exhaustion is my feelings of “why should I step in and take over financially when he ruins very good opportunities for himself”? I’m not his mom, I’m his wife. I feel the only way he will learn to be responsible, is perhaps though some trial and error, and misfortunes.

I do encourage him a lot. And we talk and have open communication, always have. I tell him all his strengths, and how many things he’s gifted with and could be doing, but he doesn’t take my advice, rather says “I don’t want to do that”. He’s like a child in many ways. In many ways, hindered by his parents. Good Grief. I certainly don’t want my sons to grow up this way!!

Anyway-----to Libera:

Thank you for sharing all this with me above. It really helps me a lot to see all you’ve been through and how strong you are!!! God has blessed your kids with a wonderful mom!!! I so admire military families and the strength they seem to have.
One thing God has taught me and is teaching me in my marriage, is that suffering and enduring hardship is part of the whole package. And praying for God to give us the virtues of fortitude, perserverence, etc. the ones Mother Angelica often discusses, bless her.

God Bless You~~
Gardenia:)

P.S. I’ve never seen the movie Joan of Arc. Think I’ll rent it this week!
 
It may be that your husband has clinical depression or other psychological issue which makes him incapable of providing what you want from him. While being a stay at home mom is an ideal that is close to your heart it simply doesn’t sound realistic at this point. Children can grow to be godly adults in less than perfect situations, it happens all the time. Do you ever think that by seeing the mom they love work outside the home for the family they may come to idea that they will be the best providers than can for thier families so that their own wives won’t have the difficulties that you and your husband have? I think the constant struggle that seems to be going on now is much more unhealthy than having a mother work outside the home.

You talk about the phase you are in life and not wanting to work now. Life is not so simple as just doing what we want, sometimes we have to do what we need to even if we don’t like it, or it isn’t what we planned on. The only person you can change is yourself -you can not make your husband be “Leave-it-to Beaver” husband that you want.

I’m sorry for your situation and I will pray for your marriage.
 
Quoted by Rayne:

“Do you ever think that by seeing the mom they love work outside the home for the family they may come to idea that they will be the best providers than can for thier families so that their own wives won’t have the difficulties that you and your husband have? I think the constant struggle that seems to be going on now is much more unhealthy than having a mother work outside the home.”

Hi Rayne!

Thank you so much for your views. But, no, I do not think or feel as you state above, nor do I think my situation is more unhealthy than if I were working outside the home. Not at all. Actually quite the contrary Rayne. I think sometimes we have to suffer a hardship to do what we feel is the best and right thing to do, as in my case now. I think by my working outside the home now, my children would not by any means come to the idea that this will inspire them to be good providers for their own families one day; quite the contrary, I feel it will teach them that when dad is irresponsible, that it’s OK, that it doesn’t matter, for mom, in addition to all her many responsibilities anyway, just “fills in”. I feel this would be most negative Rayne. You may not understand or agree, but I do take your views to heart and appreciate them.

I strive earnestly these days, to teach my sons responsibility, and to teach them the importance of obtaining a college degree and acquiring a solid profession, so that they can support their families one day. My oldest son one day lately, said to me in the midst of some conversation, “mom, I want my wife to stay home and raise our children, that’s why I’ll be a successful man with a good job”. He wants to be a police officer (with a 4 yr. college degree) when he “grows up”…which is soon now…I’m so tickled he said this, and how proud I am of him!

Something you all are probably most correct about, that being my dh was never taught this growing up, unfortunately. He, I think was babied, and still is, never having learned this crucial step, responsibility.!!! How sad. Well, now I’m the wife here, the one who has to lay in the mess his family of origin instilled. This is so hard. How do any of you stop the negative patterns of families of origin?

Both our families are well off, church-going folks, married for ages. But they’re low on the compassion scale. 😦 They’ve never helped us with one dime in our marriage, although they could have done so quite easily. They’ve never “been there” for us in any way. They feel, I think, common to their generation, once you’re married, you separate from your parents in every way, ties are completely cut-off, support is cut off, emotionally as well, financially too, and zip, you’re “your own little unit, separate and apart” from everyone else. How I wish I had some support system in my family! They’re rich, always off on vacations and otherwise, I feel so alone. They’ve been so unavailable to much of my adult life. I know God is teaching me much, to depend on only Him in this life.This is a huge lesson for me.How our mates we should never depend on ultimately for our security, only on God, the Alpha and Omega.

🙂
Gardenia
 
The idea that the wife/mom stays home and cares for kids all day while the man goes out and “brings home the bacon” is part of modern thinking. If that is the dream you have, that is well and good.

There is not a 11th commandment in scripture that says “a man shall have a job and provide his wife with vacations while she stays home”.

In our marriage, DH has the degree and national awards for his skill in a very professional field. I, OTOH, have a home-schooled high-school diploma and a couple of college courses. The way life has worked out, for the past 7+ years, I have been blessed with better earnings than he can find, so, I work and he is a SAHD. Our son sees the role model of two parents who will step up to the plate and do what needs to be done for the good of the family - we compliment each other and work truly as a team.

We have working moms who are Saints. We have the Proverbs 31 woman as a role model - there is nothing inately sinful about mom earning.

Am I tired - good lord yes. I’m 43 and have a myrid of physical challanges, but, we play the hand we are dealt and don’t tell God “no, Lord, I will not take this job you have blessed me with because it does not fit MY idea of what I want to do with my life”.

Could things change tomorrow? Yup - and with faith in God and each other, we will continue to work as a team - like Scripture tells us “two are better than one, when one falls the other can lift him up”.

Prayers that you will find some peace.
 
Dear Kage AR:

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it so much.! I never knew before there could be a place for support, and I appreciate it so very much, to have some other Catholics in which we can share. Thank God. One good thing about the internet for sure.

How do you feel, Kage AR? honestly about your husband being the SAHD and about you working? How does your husband feel about it? Does this affect his self-esteem as a man? In the few experiences I have seen about this role reversal, there is much resentment in the long run. The man’s self-esteem is ruined, and the woman is resentful that she has to “bring home the bacon”, also that the dad is home with the children when she feels she should be. I really do not know. Maybe some folks can get on with it just fine. What are your feelings about it?.

Please share with me your and your dh’s feelings.
 
We have gone through every version you can imagine - both working, him working, me at home and now me working him at home. Someday it will change again - we roll with what is needed at that time.

DH is very much a secure man. Heck, we live on a street with other SAHDads. He is a CCD and Youth ministry volunteer, is the guy that gets called on when the Parish needs a strong back during the day. He is thankful for the time he has been able to spend with our son. DS is almost 17 now, and the two of them are thick as thieves. They are off hiking or boating together, they play music together, design and build guitars together, they also go to adoration and confession together. I could not ask for a better husband or son, or for them to have a better relationship.

I am not resentful, I am thankful that God has blessed us with a job that allows one of us to be at home. Do I get tired, yup. So does DH, but, that is part of life. No one promised it would be easy.

We are not rich by any means, we don’t take vacations or drive new cars. We can however help out when someone is in need, and eat a good steak every now and then. Right now, we are thinking of buying a used van. I came on to work, DH will decide if the van is the best thing and work out the $$ on it. We don’t use money as a power-trip, what is earned is earned for the family.

Keep praying, God opens very interesting doors sometimes!
 
Thanks so much Kage Ar for sharing!

Hope you all have a nice day,

Love,
Gardenia
 
Hello to the OP, Gardenia. I would like to share my perspective.

My marriage has been a cross for me to bear as well. By the way, hubby is a professional, and I can say with certainly that financial security is no buffer for marital discord…

In January, I went on a weekend silent retreat, and came home spiritually refreshed, and deeply committed to my vocation of marriage and motherhood. I realized that what I had been doing for my marriage was obviously nor working - why keep up the same methods of dealing with a challenging spouse if it’s not working? I realized I could only work on my own part in our marriage, in what felt like radical new ways.

I began to work on marriage like never before. I began by working on my self-control, biting my tongue and avoiding harsh words. Regular confession helped. I also tried to do as many unasked and (what seemed to me) undeserved acts of kindness for my husband - extra care in the home, meals he particularly liked, delivering his cell phone to his office when he forgot it at home, physically welcoming him even when not in the mood, etc. The small loving sacrifices at first seemed to have no effect on him. It took a good deal of confession and spiritual direction to persevere.

I then began to realize that I still needed to hold my tongue wtih my friends, that is, I could not complain about hubby’s shortcomings to my friends, and tell them all the nice things I was doing, I had to speak with love and respect when I spoke of my hubby. More self control was needed, and again, through regularly partaking of the sacraments, I was strengthened to keep on loving in ever increasing ways. We had less conflict, and when we did have conflict, I performed even more acts of loving kindness, showing my husband that there was no level of conflict that would sway me from my commitment to being a loving, giving wife.

I am not saying it was easy - it was not, it was hard!

While my husband did not seem to be changing, I was changing. I have grown closer to Christ through all of this. Persevering in a challenging marriage may be your road to sanctification, if you rely on our Lord to help you carry this cross you have been entrusted with. It seems that the Lord keeps finding new ways to inspire me to continue to persevere and work hard on my marriage, to be the wife my husband needs.

I read a book a couple months ago, Spiritual Progress, by Father Thomas Williams. One point he made which I have not forgotten is that we are to try to love as Christ loved. One way he described Christ’s love is “with gratuity”, that is, his love is thoroughly unearned and undeserved. We must strive to love this way. Instead of only giving people what they deserve, we can deliberately go further - and this is true, especially, imo, in our marriages. We can’t give our husbands what we think they “deserve”, we have to love them as Christ loves. What a humbling concept! 🙂

My marriage is improving, no question. Prayer, Confession, mass attendance 4-5 times per week, sacrifice, spiritual direction, the Rosary, Adoration, holy hour, all gradually helping to make me the wife my husband needs.

I no longer feel discouraged in my marriage. By God’s grace, I am ever hopeful for our future.

In Christ…
 
Dearest Sandra.

Thank you so much for sharing with me. And God bless you in your family situation. Sounds like God is working wonders in your marriage and in your family too! I so appreciate your very encouraging words–they’re like honey to my mouth! 🙂

God Bless

Your friend in Christ,
Gardenia
 
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