Kirane:
Personally, i think it would be wrong to execute
Protestants such as President Bush or Vice President Cheney. I don’t think it is the right thing to do.
Me too. If you read my posts, you would see that (#13 & 17). Furthermore, it’s not up to you to decide what’s right or wrong (moral relativism is evil and will destroy our souls and end our species).
Kirane:
Anyway, in Cardinal Mahoney’s newspaper, the Tidings, there was an article on how Christians are called to oppose the death penalty. So this seems to be a contradiction to me. First you say that you want to execute heretics (and aren’t all Protestants who deny the Real Presence and the infallibility of the Pope heretics?) but then in the Catholic newspaper and on the pulpit in Church, they are telling us to oppose the death penalty.
I don’t care about what Cardinal Mahoney said in some newspaper. He is not infallible. He’s just fueling the liberal life-worship that’s rampant in the anti-abortion movement and
making even more people think that the Catholic Church has changed, but it hasn’t. It is an unchangeable doctrine of the Church that legitimate governments have that authority to execute people. St. Thomas Aquinas wrote a lot on this. And no, heretics are not only people that disagree with the Real Presence or infallibility (yet again, refer to post #17 & 18), they can disagree with any doctrine of the Church…including the one I just stated.
BTW, when JP2 would speak out against the death penalty, it was only his personal opinion and not binding on the faithful. Furthermore, he believed that such measures were justifiable, but no longer necessary in today’s society to protect life. However, the pope is not in the place to make such decisions for other countries like the U.S. of which he knew not the situation.
Kirane:
I would be opposed to burning Protestants or Moslems at the stake.
Me too. They have been born into their false religions and know nothing different…they’re material heretics, it’s not their fault because they’ve never known the truth.
Kirane:
If you did such a thing, I suspect that there might be retaliation against Catholics, such as killing priests in Turkey or other places.
Me too.
Kirane:
I don’t know why Catholics are so narrow minded and so bloodthirsty that they want to burn alive any heretic who disagrees with them.
We may be “narrow minded,” but why would anyone want to be open minded?!
It’s a sign of intellectual weakness and indecision. Like Chesterton said:
“An open mind is really a mark of foolishness, like an open mouth. Mouths and minds were made to shut; they were made to open only in order to shut…The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”
Also, we’re not bloodthirsty! We are thirsty for the truth and have been entrusted with the desposit of faith from Our Lord to preserve in its entirety at all costs, because it is more precious than the most precious earthly things.
Kirane:
Buddhists are much more kind and gentle people and would not think of doing such a terrible thing.
I don’t agree with this. Early in its history, Buddhism was one of the most proselytizing religions in the world.
Kirane:
But if you really want to burn people alive who disagree with Catholicism, then why should you be surprised by what happened to a priest in Turkey. Isn’t it just about the same thing except that the tables are turned ?
I think that if you actually re-read everything that I wrote, rather than going on this rant, you’d conclude that I didn’t say that we should kill everyone who disagrees with the Church. I think that we should kill formal heretics that are out preaching against the Church and its truths so as to protect the souls of many if that is the only means of silencing them. And no, it’s nothing like the priest that was killed because of the cartoons. (BTW, don’t you find it ironic that muslims react violently when islam is portrayed as violent?) He personally had nothing to do with it. He was murdered by savage pagans
that really do think that everyone that disagrees with them should die. And as I’ve clarified, that’s not what I believe, nor has the Church ever taught such thing. Christianity is a religion of proposition (convert or go to Hell) while Islam is a religion of imposition (convert or die and then go to Hell). In Christianity, however, this proposition must be a true one, because if not, it brings about the destruction of souls. Finally, like I said in post 21, before any action is taken, we should
go to great lengths to convince them that what they’re doing is wrong as well as fervently
pray for them.
