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I have been going back and forth in trying to dicern what the Lord wants in my relationship with my beloved girlfriend.

We are both devout Catholics, we actually met this past January at a very orthodox Catholic young adult retreat, and we hit it off right away. I am almost 22 she is 20. I am her first boyfriend, she is my thrid girlfriend ( all of my previous relationships have been chaste and marriage minded with other devout Catholics) We had alot in common , of course our complete adherance to our Faith, and our personalities seemed to click well. We laughed at each others weird sarcastic humor, and can be just goofy.

After that retreat, she was heading back to school (4 year state university) and I was heading 800 miles away from home to work in another state as a big-rig truck driver ( a career i am jumpstarting and using to save money) so we decided to keep it as friends until God brought us together again if it was His will.

Months past, she calls me up, we start talking. She mentions something about a dance at her university, and I asked her if she wanted to go with me. I purchased the ticket, we went to Mass first, and then to the dance. Had a wonderfull time. We held hands for the first time, and we couldnt seperate them after that. Lol The following day I sadly headed off 800 miles away to begin my new career.

We had skype dates very often during the week during the summer, and i came back home mid summer to visit my family, and of course, her.
That night i came home we had a " talk", i asked her what the problem was, and she said she wasnt even sure if she was called to marriage, and didnt want to waste my time. Se said she was soooo confused about what she wanted in life in general. She actually told me she didnt even know what sex even was until she was 18. I told her what she meant to me, and told her how i saw many characteristics that i wanted in a spouse. she was in tears after i told her the qualities i truely saw in her. She then was slightly more comforted, and agreed to continue dating and with our planned weekend.

the next day I met her family, and shot it off right away with her many siblings and her mother and father liked me. I planned a day of just simple fishing and a she packed us a small picnic lunch. We didnt catch much fish at all, and I thought we were having a great time. Then at nighttime we chastely cuddled and talked and laughed as the moon came up. At the end of my visit, I was so sad to se her face grow smaller in the window as I drove off.

The months flew by, i settled into my new truck driving career. We very often after this visit, I looking very much forward to every time i would see her on there!

It was during this time, we had the first really heavy duty “where are we at” conversation. It somewhat blindsided me, as I thought it was fine.
She told me she is very hot and cold when it comes to " feelings" sometimes she thinks im the handsomest man in the world, sometimes not so much. I told her i just felt content with her, not infatuated in the least ( altough i did get a natuaral slight thrill to see her of course) i told her that a relationship isnt all about the super oooohy gooohy feelings, and in marriage you arnt going to be all lovey dovey after I or the children have had the flu all over the place. love is a decision, not a feeling. This comforted her and we continued on.

Right before she went back to school, we agreed to meet halfway, and my mother came along to accompany us. She had met my mother before, and they get along well. They split a hotel room and i slept in my truck. Had a wonderful weekend. We went to a antique tractor and engine show, and we even dressed up in antique themed clothes! I thought we had a wonderful time!

Now I am an affectionate man, even with my platonic friends. I do have a very (sometimes too much, thank God I am a man) healthy masculine sex drive that I keep in good control and constructively redirect it for my state in life. I love giving my girl chaste hugs and kisses on the cheek ( on the lips tends to arouse me very easily) and of course im alway reaching for her hand.

It was then that I realized that she never intiated affection, it was -always- me. This combined with her somewhat confusion to what she wants. She then revealed to me that she thought our little fishing trip in her opinion was kind of a romantic dud. I was like " what, you expect there to be romance in every single moment like a friggin disney movie?" I just like being with her! I thought she was enjoying just being with me also! But no, not so really for her.
She also says she dosnt even really miss me at all, even though I miss her. Her girlfriends ask her if she misses me, and she tells the no, not really.

She said it goes up and down, one moment she likes being with me, and the next she dosnt at all. She says she dosnt know what love is, since she figures im her first boyfriend at all, so she is not " experienced" at all.
She questions my ability to provide for a family ( my career has the capability of making 50-70000 a year), i am currently making 20+ an hour, and saving pretty much all of it. (i am -well- on my way to having a substantial down payment on a good house) I am NOT college educated, but I am VERY hard working and know being a blue collar peasant is what i am. I have alot of skills, I can make or fix pretty much anything.

She is now in school, and she changed majors, so now she will be in school for four more years. I fully support her in her schooling and what she wants to do with it. We restrict our conversations to Sunday evenings, so I could let her focus on school. This past Sunday i worked ( i had worked for 60 hrs that week so far) and i message her at 8pm when i saw she was online to see if she wanted to chat quick on facebook or whatnot.

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No real response for a few days, i think she is busy with school. So I guess I will wait till next Sunday to talk to her. not worried really.

Really dont lnow what to do, i cant see dating someone who is so confised. Everyone tells us it shouldnt be the confusing for her especially. I see other young catholic couples, and all of the just seem to be - in love - mutually with each other. ( truly, not just infatuated) mine seems to be coming just from me, and nothing on her part.

Any help, advice? Sorry this is so long, this has been brewing in me for a long time. I do not have any good counsel out where I am at right now, so I hope someone can give me guidance!
 
No real response for a few days, i think she is busy with school. So I guess I will wait till next Sunday to talk to her. not worried really.

Really dont lnow what to do, i cant see dating someone who is so confised. Everyone tells us it shouldnt be the confusing for her especially. I see other young catholic couples, and all of the just seem to be - in love - mutually with each other. ( truly, not just infatuated) mine seems to be coming just from me, and nothing on her part.

Any help, advice? Sorry this is so long, this has been brewing in me for a long time. I do not have any good counsel out where I am at right now, so I hope someone can give me guidance!
Jerald,

This might turn out to be the real thing, or not. Obviously I can’t tell and neither can you at this point. You should “be there” for your girlfriend as she matures and figures out what she’s supposed to do, more or less the way you have been and maybe it will develop.

If not, you know you sound like a really nice guy, and you’re young. If this doesn’t work out, the right girl will come along. If I were you, I certainly would have a group of friends to associate with and go out together with for good clean fun. Don’t isolate yourself.

God is going to watch out for you, and He knows what you need.
 
Jerald, it sounds to me as if she’s immature and not on the same page as you.
If you were my son I’d be very worried because I think you’ll be hurt.
Her side of the relationship seems superficial, while yours is genuine.
From what you described she actually has made very clear that she doesn’t really love you.
You sound a very special person and I hope you will have true happiness with united and equal relationship when you marry.
I will pray for you both
 
Jerald,

This is difficult.

Don’t take this as promise that your situation will be the same, but when my husband and I were courting, I sometimes felt very much like your girlfriend seems to. For a while, I’d be completely happy, and then I would start questioning how I felt. Usually, I would tell my husband (then boyfriend) about my feelings when they came up. And it bugged him that I had doubts. But while it bugged him, he knew that, if I didn’t want to be with him, I would end it. And I knew that was true. And from the time we got engaged (17 months ago) and on to the present (and into the future!), I haven’t questioned it once. Like you said: love is a choice. My husband was my rock, and still is. And while it wasn’t always fun, I think this honesty was important. It set a precedent.

Your girlfriend may have some growing up to do. Or maybe she’s confused or stressed out: the times I was most confused about my emotions was when school and work had me stressed out. The bottom line is that she needs to figure out how she feels and be honest with you about it. And you’ll both need to make a decision from there. It takes two people to keep a relationship going and, at minimum, one person to end it. If she wants to end it, she will (or she should, and not just by ignoring you).

I was so worried about not “knowing” when we were just courting. In fact, I was worried I’d get all the way to the wedding (like you’ve had, we had a marriage-centered relationship from the beginning), we’d be saying our vows, and I would ask, “What the heck am I doing?” Just totally out of nowhere. So one time, I did a Google search for Catholic help on the topic, and found this blog entry, which comforted me: convert-man.blogspot.com/2007/07/discernment-of-marriage.html

Keep being honest. Keep talking through things. Keep enjoying time together. Above all, keep praying. I think, in the age of the Internet, we like answers instantaneously (the Lord knows I do), and I think this is one of those things that is just going to take time to discern, living through it. If she is the one you’ll spend the rest of your life with, it’s worth the time to make sure and grow in your relationship. If she is not the one you’ll spend the rest of your life with, it’s worth the time to make sure. Given proper time and attention, you both (with God) will sort this out. (One of the nice things about adhering to Catholic courtship? You vow that you’re in 100% before you do anything that says you’re in 100%. Hint, hint.)

May the Lord be with you and help you through these difficulties.
 
Yeah, um, no. Find a girl who is like-minded with you. Otherwise this diffidence of hers is going to be the story of the rest of your relationship.

It doesn’t matter how well you get along with her family. It just means the rest of her family is normal. She, however, is not ready for marriage, so don’t approach her for marrying. Period. Cuddling and talking in bed together aint no sign o’ nothing. It’s a sign of something other than marriageability, okay? Take it from someone who has been there, thought that, done it, and had to end it. If you need, I will spell it out in a private message.

Truckers rarely have good marriages, okay? I recommend not seeking marriage while that’s your job.

Do not marry a woman who is hot and cold when it comes to feelings.

Don’t fool yourself that resolve is a substitute for true commitment to marriage. That’s nice, that you are emotionally indifferent to her, but her labiability (labile nature) is a red flag. The real meaning of that conversation is, that she was relieved you were not into her more than she feared you were. Red Flag. Because it means she feels she has an Out. Just in case.

Spending time with a country girl at an antique truck show is not a sign of marriageability, okay? It’s a sign of shared interests only. ONLY. And how do you know she wasn’t faking interest out of semi-uncertainly maybe-sorta being into kinda being your kinda-sorta-girlfriend?

That’s so cool that you are all chaste and stuff, but, sometimes your chaste means you’re fooling yourself about the true nature of your relationship. I’ve chastely hugged many a girl who would make an unsuitable wife, including my great-aunt, okay? ಠ_ಠ

Incidentally, 99% of your post is about your feelings towards her. Reddish-orange flag right there. It’s like you are trying to argue or excuse yourself into a relationship with her.
Her girlfriends ask her if she misses me, and she tells the no, not really.
Yeah, get used to this being the story of your relationship with her, if you keep it up. Dude’s always the last to know.
She says she dosnt know what love is…
Cool, so when she takes marital vows, she won’t know what they mean.

Okay, I’ve made my point, but I’ll go on just for completeness’ sake.
She questions my ability to provide for a family…
Get used to that, if…
I am NOT college educated, but I am VERY hard working and know being a blue collar peasant is what i am. I have alot of skills, I can make or fix pretty much anything.
Slap a goatee, a sweatstained Cards ballcap, and a brown scapular on that and I’d marry you in a heartbeat ('cept i’m a dude, dont take that the wrong way LOL) but my point is, if YOUR culture and background dovetails with MINE, then that preemptively solves a lot of future problems.

How often do you do a rosary, anyway? on the road?

In the meantime, learn the words & moves of a great song: youtube.com/watch?v=eEWVwgDnuzE and ask St Gerard Majella for a wife.
 
Jerald, it sounds to me as if she’s immature and not on the same page as you.
If you were my son I’d be very worried because I think you’ll be hurt.
Her side of the relationship seems superficial, while yours is genuine.
From what you described she actually has made very clear that she doesn’t really love you.
You sound a very special person and I hope you will have true happiness with united and equal relationship when you marry.
I will pray for you both
This.

And I also want to say that you shouldn’t have to keep reminding her or explaining what Love or a relationship is. She either gets it and feels the same or not. You don’t want someone that you have to “talk into” a relationship. It might be time to just take a briak from each other. Four years is a long time to wait around for someone that obviously only has lukewarm feelings for you.
 
Jerald, I see this as one of two possibilities:

–Often when a person says, “sometimes I have feelings for you, sometimes I don’t”, what they REALLY mean but are afraid to be honest about is that they really don’t have feelings for you much at all. She might be able to honestly say that sometimes she does, because she forces it. That’s not to say that she doesn’t like you as a person, but just doesn’t seem to have romantic feelings for you.

–The other possibility is that she is simply not ready to be dating. She JUST learned what sex was, 2 years ago. Even by devout Catholic standards, that is pretty sheltered and naive. She probably needs time to mature before she is capable of making adult decisions about dating and choosing a husband. In fact, she seems to be saying so herself. In fact, it could be that she doesn’t have romantic feelings toward you because she is just not ready to have romantic feelings at all. When things go too fast, people get tend to get turned off.

Rainaldo made some good comments (except I wouldn’t discourage a trucker from marriage - but then I know little of the life of a trucker). Her comments about your job would concern me also. It can be really hard on a marriage when the woman doesn’t respect the man’s work, or doesn’t respect and appreciate his role as provider.

Overall, my impression is that she is a lovely, but immature, young woman, who knows that you are a great guy, but who just doesn’t care for you romantically. I also get the impression that when you talk and she “is comforted” that she might not really be comforted, but rather she just doesn’t know how to tell you “no.” My advice is for you to stop dating her. Either she’s not ready for a boyfriend, or she just doesn’t know how to tell you “no.” Either way, you’ll be doing her a favor. And you deserve someone who is over the moon about you, and who is ready for the same type of relationship that you are. God bless.
 
You sound like a very mature 22 year old, and I am impressed with your commitment to chastity and understanding of what love really is.

As for what you should do…it sounds like you are both in different places in your life. You have started a career and are thinking about marriage, and she is in college and doesn’t appear to know what she wants. There is nothing wrong with either situation- just differences. However, if she is unsure that she is even called to marriage, she should really not be dating you.

It also sounds like she is being a little too forward in her comments. Telling you she doesn’t miss you, and that the date you thoughtfully planned was a “romantic dud”? That is not gracious. Now, it is normal to not “feel” attracted to someone all of the time. But you seem to already understand that, and it seems that is what she (unrealistically) expects.

I think you are right in considering whether it is wise to continue dating someone who is so confused. My advice would be to let the relationship go. You need to be dating women who are as ready to be discerning marriage as you are, and she has some maturing to do.
 
Those of us who find someone who “checks all the boxes” almost all realize this: There is more to life than checking the boxes. She is finding this out. Maybe you are, too.

You have chosen a difficult career with regards to finding a wife, because you are going to spend a lot of time away from your wife and family. She can’t be someone who has to have you there every minute. Even if you start out driving together, somebody has to stay home when the kids come along. It is not for everybody; she has to be independent enough to manage while you’re gone and yet not feel upset by the realization that she can live without you in the immediate orbit all of the time. A lot of people, men and women alike, cannot manage that. For some, absence makes the heart grow fonder, but for others it is out of sight, out of mind. That is not a character difference so much as a temperament difference.

I will also caution you to never argue with a woman about what she finds romantic, what she finds upsetting, or what she finds annoying. Are you going to marry someone who can’t let you have your opinions about that? Let us just say that it is great if you and your future wife think fishing is a great date, but you’re going to be cropping the field by quite a bit if you can’t accept that many lovely women feel otherwise. You can even learn to love opera, and it won’t guarantee that the woman you love will ever remotely love fishing. (This is probably why quilting was invented. 😉 :D)

The third thing, and the thing that concerns me the most, is whether you two are intellectual soul mates. A long-distance truck driver who spends his days listening to library tapes from The Teaching Company might be able to hold up his end (and then some!) in any conversation between college graduates. IOW, you can not only be very intelligent without going to college; you can be educated without going to college. Having said that, you chose your career for a reason. You aren’t a “desk job” kind of guy, are you? Well, what kind of friends do you think your girlfriend will have? And the friends you will make over the years…are these circles of friends that you will both enjoy?

I say this because I spent a lot of my life in college, but my family of origin is in logging and trucking and whatnot. Lots of college graduates work in the woods and drive trucks. Still, there are a lot of people, whether or not they go to college, who put themselves strictly into a “blue collar” or a “white collar” culture and mindset. I think the people with a foot in both worlds are the most interesting–the college professor who can’t function without fishing and woodworking, the truck driver or the logger with an active mind who devours books or audiobooks and needs to keep his mind active–but I have to admit that the majority are by far more comfortable in one world or the other, and venture across the lines only as necessary.

Find yourself a woman who loves the active life: fixing things, doing things with her hands, being outside. She can be a doctor or a lawyer, but she needs to have more in common with you than a goofy sense of humor. Meanwhile, if you keep courting this one, then for crying out loud court the woman! I haven’t heard a single thing you’ve initiated on the idea that you might learn to like what she likes instead of figuring out if she likes what you do. Find out what she likes and go do that. If it is going to be all about what you like, though, find a fishing-and-truck-driving woman, so she can have what she naturally gravitates towards, too.

My advice? When you happen to catch up with her, tell her that her tepid feelings aren’t going to change until she finds you compare favorably to the alternatives. Tell her to go ahead and consider getting interested in another guy, that you will in turn feel free to be on the lookout for another woman, but that when you’re in her neighborhood, you’ll look her up and see how she’s doing. See what happens. I think if you are each free to find someone else to court and you both conclude that no one compares–trust me, it doesn’t take a “date” to say, “This guy cannot hold a candle to the one I have in mind”–then you’ll proceed towards marriage on more solid ground. If not, better to have cut bait early than to have kept fishing in that pond. If I had to bet the farm, I would bet she’s going to find someone who went to college and will work under a stationary roof every day. Sorry, but if she doesn’t already think that what you do and what you are beats the city boys she goes to school with all to pieces, that’s just the way to bet.
 
No real response for a few days, i think she is busy with school. So I guess I will wait till next Sunday to talk to her. not worried really.
I believe the “not worried really” thing about as far as I can throw a Kenworth, BTW. :rolleyes:
 
Any help, advice? Sorry this is so long, this has been brewing in me for a long time. I do not have any good counsel out where I am at right now, so I hope someone can give me guidance!
Jerald, I’m sorry man. That situation sucks.

You asked for advice, so I’m going to dole it out: get out of this relationship.

It sounds like you have a firm grip on what real love is (not the emotional highs, but the solid commitment, and that love is a verb, not a feeling), while it doesn’t sound like she even understands the FEELING of infatuation that’s often called “love”, much less the nature of what real love is. Either way, justifying her lack of love for you as “love doesn’t always run hot” is not helping you to see that she simply isn’t there in the same place that you are.

Second, there’s a real problem that you’re the one who always initiates any sort of intimacy. She’s not SHOWING you her commitment, and she’s not even SAYING her commitment to you. If I had to guess from this, if you decided to call it quits, she’d probably be relieved that she didn’t have to make that decision herself.

But the most important reason to move on is this: she has indicated that she doesn’t know if she’s called to marriage or not. She needs to sort that out, and she needs to sort that out on her own, without the outside pressure of some guy who wants to be in a relationship with her trying to justify why she IS called to marriage. Maybe she IS called to marriage, and maybe you two will get back together… no one should be saying that this goodbye has to be some permanent thing: but you DO need to leave the relationship to give her time to discern if she even wants ANY relationship to begin with, much less if she wants a relationship specifically with you.

I know some of this probably comes as a punch to the gut… especially saying that she might be relieved if you break it off for her, but I worry that you’re misapplying your very good understanding of what love is to justify the fact that a girl you WANT to love you simply does not (and doesn’t even have the “feelings” commonly associated with love either). I worry that you’re setting yourself up for a world of hurt using this justification…
 
If you are confused about where you stand with her, then she isn’t interested in you. At least, she isn’t interested enough to consider for marriage.

When a woman is really interested in you, you will know it.
 
If you are confused about where you stand with her, then she isn’t interested in you. At least, she isn’t interested enough to consider for marriage.
When a woman is really interested in you, you will know it.
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:thumbsup:   I agree.
You sound like a great guy; play the field; closer to home.

There’s some lucky girl out there for you.
 
👍 I think you sound like a good guy too!

It sounds to me as though she has no idea what she really wants in life. Regardless of the fact she’s only 2 years younger than you, she is still in education and that in itself, if full-time, does keep young adults in a state of emotional immaturity in many ways. You, on the other hand, have a job with responsibility and you earn a wage.

Maybe in 5, or 10 years’ time, she’ll have sorted herself out and from what you say, she has the potential to be a wonderful Catholic wife and mother - but I don’t think she’s the one for you.

You did all the right things and I’m sure she’s appreciated the repsect you have shown her (I’m sure her whole family have) but I think it’s time to move on. You have given her a really positive experience of courtship and I know you have the intelligence and diplomacy to do it gently. Thank her for the time you spent together; tell her all her good points and everything you did together that you enjoyed - tell her she’s a good person…but that you are at a stage in your life where you are looking for a more solid commitment and you feel your lives are at 2 different stages.

Then move on - because you deseve someone really special 🙂
 
Yes, I also think you should listen to your gut, which comes across, to me, in this:

“It was then that I realized that she never initiated affection, it was -always- me. This combined with her somewhat confusion to what she wants. She then revealed to me that she thought our little fishing trip in her opinion was kind of a romantic dud. I was like " what, you expect there to be romance in every single moment like a friggin disney movie?” I just like being with her! I thought she was enjoying just being with me also! But no, not so really for her.
She also says she doesn’t even really miss me at all, even though I miss her. Her girlfriends ask her if she misses me, and she tells the no, not really."


I would definitely back off! She does not see your worth. She seems to be “looking for” problems, maybe to explain why she is not feeling it when she thinks she “ought”? Not a good sign! It seems you either are not compatible people, or she is not mature enough (which is not all about age), or she’s unable to commit, for whatever reason.

I think you will discover you have recovered some self-worth after you back away from she who undervalued you. Have faith that God will reward your faithfulness with someone who loves you back. Wait confidently for Him to act!

Driving a truck is a secure future, and good, honest work, and someone who loves you will see it for the plus that it is. You are faithful, true, disciplined, too - you are a gem! Someone will love you, and prize all that about you. Wait for that!
 
…Truckers rarely have good marriages, okay? I recommend not seeking marriage while that’s your job…
Where ever did you get that idea?

The only family I knew where the Dad was a trucker was devout and faithful. Happily married, nice family, mature, happy kids.
 
I think it is best for men not to initiate touch in the early stages of a relationship. For next time, let her be the first to touch you. This is often (but not always) a sign that she is interested in you.

By letting her touch first, you respect her personal space and give her time to sort out her feelings. It also clues you in as to whether this is someone who might be a potential relationship , or just ‘friend-zone’

Another thing…from your writing you sound like the type of guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. Be careful who you give your heart to. Take plenty of time to get to know someone before you allow yourself to be vulnerable. Every relationship involves risk of being hurt, but don’t take that risk until you are sure you really know her.
 
Yeah, um, no. Find a girl who is like-minded with you. Otherwise this diffidence of hers is going to be the story of the rest of your relationship.

It doesn’t matter how well you get along with her family. It just means the rest of her family is normal. She, however, is not ready for marriage, so don’t approach her for marrying. Period. Cuddling and talking in bed together aint no sign o’ nothing. It’s a sign of something other than marriageability, okay? Take it from someone who has been there, thought that, done it, and had to end it. If you need, I will spell it out in a private message.

Truckers rarely have good marriages, okay? I recommend not seeking marriage while that’s your job.

Do not marry a woman who is hot and cold when it comes to feelings.

…
How often do you do a rosary, anyway? on the road?

In the meantime, learn the words & moves of a great song: youtube.com/watch?v=eEWVwgDnuzE and ask St Gerard Majella for a wife.
Yup. Good advice.
If you are confused about where you stand with her, then she isn’t interested in you. At least, she isn’t interested enough to consider for marriage.
When a woman is really interested in you, you will know it.
AND so will she!
👍 I agree.
You sound like a great guy; play the field; closer to home.
There’s some lucky girl out there for you.
Absolutely agree. You sound like a great guy. Don’t isolate yourself. Make sure you have plenty of friends and acquaintances, both genders, to go places with and share time with, when you are around home. Enjoy being 22, and stay faithful and Catholic and she’ll come to you. God bless, Jerald.
 
Where ever did you get that idea?

The only family I knew where the Dad was a trucker was devout and faithful. Happily married, nice family, mature, happy kids.
I got that idea from truckers. For example: lifeasatrucker.com/advice-for-truckers-and-truckers-wives.html

And from Garth Brooks 😉 youtube.com/watch?v=vzz46Zd75CI

Glad you found a good one. I’ve seen many trucker marriages that failed, most often the cause boiled down to the time-demands of the job, never being home, potential for secret unfaithfulness, the negative effects on the children, and so on; a second problem I’ve seen is that antisocial personalities frequently find working alone to be a reasonably good fit for a career, and of course marriage is a bad idea for people like that.

It’s like overseas military, the problems are mostly the same, long-distance relationships often don’t survive because of it.
 
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