Need some studies on the effect of homosexual upbringing

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Sigh, one man can’t be good at it all. I’m not good at biology and know little about social sciences, certainly am not remotely close to a bioethicist. Would someone more enlightened in those areas please be so kind as to suggest some studies to refute whatever “scientific peer reviewed research” (what I tend to see as preachings about awareness of social progress and dangers of homophobia and the need to question traditional family model) is thrown at me?

What I’m particularly interested in is:
  • the child emulating homosexual patterns if he’s exposed to them from a young age;
  • the child seeing two fathers or two mothers as the default way a family is built (I needed to have the concept of “father” explained to me when I was 5 or 6, so I can imagine);
  • internal conflicts relating to acceptance of gender identity;
  • or needing trial by error to find out about the child’s own sexual identity and “orientation”;
  • failure in building romantic relationships due to lack of a gender model.
Thanks.
 
Sigh, one man can’t be good at it all. I’m not good at biology and know little about social sciences, certainly am not remotely close to a bioethicist. Would someone more enlightened in those areas please be so kind as to suggest some studies to refute whatever “scientific peer reviewed research” (what I tend to see as preachings about awareness of social progress and dangers of homophobia and the need to question traditional family model) is thrown at me?

What I’m particularly interested in is:
  • the child emulating homosexual patterns if he’s exposed to them from a young age;
  • the child seeing two fathers or two mothers as the default way a family is built (I needed to have the concept of “father” explained to me when I was 5 or 6, so I can imagine);
  • internal conflicts relating to acceptance of gender identity;
  • or needing trial by error to find out about the child’s own sexual identity and “orientation”;
  • failure in building romantic relationships due to lack of a gender model.
Thanks.
These are all interesting points. I don’t know of any study such as you ask for. I say all children in such situations should be “liberated”, NOT studied! Society is messed up:(
 
Um, there might not be any evidence of these things. Why would you assume there would be?
 
Um, there might not be any evidence of these things. Why would you assume there would be?
I know it’s gonna be hard but I surely hope pro-gay-adoption research isn’t the entire gay-adoption-related research.
 
I know it’s gonna be hard but I surely hope pro-gay-adoption research isn’t the entire gay-adoption-related research.
One would hope that research would report what it found, whether pro or not.
 
One would hope that research would report what it found, whether pro or not.
Yes, of course, but what research finds is not exactly independent from the researcher’s attitude and assumptions. When I see the lingo of the introductions, I can’t really see some research papers as possibly being impartial. Heh, well-meaning, perhaps, but that’s about it. Besides, it defies common sense what some of the pro-gay “scientists” claim. I was a kid growing up without a father and my best buddy grew up without his as well. I know where it leads. I can’t imagine having two dads or two mums being better than that, in fact, the way I see it, it would be a gap filled with counter-productive content, which is worse than a gap which is merely hollow.
 
Sigh, one man can’t be good at it all. I’m not good at biology and know little about social sciences, certainly am not remotely close to a bioethicist. Would someone more enlightened in those areas please be so kind as to suggest some studies to refute whatever “scientific peer reviewed research” (what I tend to see as preachings about awareness of social progress and dangers of homophobia and the need to question traditional family model) is thrown at me?

What I’m particularly interested in is:
  • the child emulating homosexual patterns if he’s exposed to them from a young age;
  • the child seeing two fathers or two mothers as the default way a family is built (I needed to have the concept of “father” explained to me when I was 5 or 6, so I can imagine);
  • internal conflicts relating to acceptance of gender identity;
  • or needing trial by error to find out about the child’s own sexual identity and “orientation”;
  • failure in building romantic relationships due to lack of a gender model.
Thanks.
Have you tried Google Scholar (scholar.google.com/) for research papers? When I tried “effect of same sex parenting” I got 130,000 hits.

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Sigh, one man can’t be good at it all. I’m not good at biology and know little about social sciences, certainly am not remotely close to a bioethicist. Would someone more enlightened in those areas please be so kind as to suggest some studies to refute whatever “scientific peer reviewed research” (what I tend to see as preachings about awareness of social progress and dangers of homophobia and the need to question traditional family model) is thrown at me?

What I’m particularly interested in is:
  • the child emulating homosexual patterns if he’s exposed to them from a young age;
  • the child seeing two fathers or two mothers as the default way a family is built (I needed to have the concept of “father” explained to me when I was 5 or 6, so I can imagine);
  • internal conflicts relating to acceptance of gender identity;
  • or needing trial by error to find out about the child’s own sexual identity and “orientation”;
  • failure in building romantic relationships due to lack of a gender model.
Thanks.
Last I checked God created Adam and Eve, male and female to reproduce. Male on Male, nor Female on Female do not reproduce.

scholar.google.com/scholar?q=effects+of+homosexual+parenting+on+children+studies&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=999&bih=492&q=effects+of+homosexual+parenting+on+children+studies&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

google.com/search?hl=en&biw=999&bih=492&q=effects%20of%20homosexual%20parenting%20on%20children%20studies&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=nws&source=og&sa=N&tab=wn
 
These are all interesting points. I don’t know of any study such as you ask for. I say all children in such situations should be “liberated”, NOT studied! Society is messed up:(
Are you actually advocating the forced removal of children from their lawful parents?
The OP’s question is worth asking. However, despite what the lunatic homophobics might believe, there are actually are no studies indicating that children raised in same sex households experience more psychological problems than those raised In traditional families.
 
God produced Adam and Eve to reproduce, but only Eve to carry the child. God produced Adam and Eve to love, and God produced gay people to love too. We all have different but interrelated roles in life. There are other equally important parts of family life to reproduction.
 
Are you actually advocating the forced removal of children from their lawful parents?
The OP’s question is worth asking. However, despite what the lunatic homophobics might believe, there are actually are no studies indicating that children raised in same sex households experience more psychological problems than those raised In traditional families.
The problem is that such radical changes as allowing adoption by gay couples, apart from moral considerations, should also be backed up by sufficient proof and basis that they won’t cause harm. Children are people too, and citizens too, and they need to have their rights protected instead of being treated as merely the objects of the rights of others, such as in “progressive” stances towards abortion and, in this case, gay parenting (not putting any equal signs here; a proponent of gay adoption may very well be against abortion).

One of the problems I face in such discussions is that people seem to think, well, so what if the child even actually becomes gay or goes through an exploration phase? No big deal since it has already been forced on us that the homosexual orientation is as good as heterosexual.

In fact, as far as the APA “science” and other such science goes, no matter how it is dressed up, I have experience growing up without a father and, for a good measure, my best buddy is also a guy who grew up without a father, and I know what it causes to a person. No amount of “science” is going to convince me, against common sense, that not only not providing a mother or father but in fact providing a second parent of the same sex is not going to mess the child up even harder.

It’s not enough for me that some studies will redefine adverse consequences and then claim none exist, or no significant ones, or none are proven. We’re dealing with living, breathing children here and proponents of the thesis that gay adoption is good or acceptable have the onus of proving it.
 
Hi chevalier,

The questions from the OP are in equal parts profound and misguided. To see what that means, let’s posit an analogy between same sex parenting and single parenting, and rephrase the questions in terms of the latter:
  • Do children of single parents emulate single parent patterns if they’re exposed to them from a young age? [What does that even mean?]
  • Do such children see single parenting as the default way a family is built? [Probably not.]
  • Do they have internal conflicts relating to acceptance of gender identity? [Profound, but who knows?]
  • Do they need to find out their sexual identity or orientation by trial and error? [Not so much.]
  • Do they have difficulty building romantic relationships due to a lack of gender role models? [Don’t know.]
I guess in the end, if you want to have something to say about same sex parenting, you could attempt to extrapolate from what is known about single parenting. That would be appropriate since your concerns focus on gender identity and sexual orientation, and, from your other posts, you seem to believe already that same sex parenting is basically the same as single parenting in those respects, only worse.

In any case, from a rhetorical point of view, it might be best to avoid mounting this kind of case against gay adoption. The trouble is you’ll be perceived as saying, “Look at what those disgusting homosexuals are trying to do. Of course we always knew they were a threat to children, but now they want to snatch them from the hands of good, clean, normal folk and raise them to become revolting little homosexuals themselves.” Clearly, that isn’t at all what you’re saying, but this is sort of a touchy issue and misperceptions abound.

A better approach would be to bring out your favorite argument against same sex “marriage,” and then simply note that it would be inconsistent to have gay adoption but forbid the parents in question from being married in the eyes of the State.
 
*]Do children of single parents emulate single parent patterns if they’re exposed to them from a young age? [What does that even mean?]
A more appropriate way to put it would be that single parents’ children may not know a different family model until the point they notice how other families are built and start asking questions. You don’t have a family structure talk with a toddler on purpose.
*]Do such children see single parenting as the default way a family is built? [Probably not.]
They have no clear concept of human reproduction and therefore they don’t imagine that humans reproduce the way we know some primitive organisms do but yes, if they don’t know otherwise, or actually, it is enough that they simply live in a broken family household, then the default situation for them is one in which there is a single parent.

Also, the child may become conditioned at least to see a same-sex family as a normal one, anything from no big deal to equally good, thus reducing societal opposition to or doubts about the homosexual family model. Naturally, this is undesirable from my point of view but is desirable from the point of view of certain oh so very scientific, impartial research.
*]Do they have internal conflicts relating to acceptance of gender identity? [Profound, but who knows?]
A man having grown up without a father has a heckload of problems, can’t imagine there not being any if a child from cradle to adolescence sees two people of the same sex living out an intimate sexual relationship.
*]Do they need to find out their sexual identity or orientation by trial and error? [Not so much.]
How so? Children emulate their fathers or mothers in relation with the other parent until they are explained the boundaries of specific types of relationship (parent-child, husband-wife etc.). I think it goes without argument that people repeat patterns taken from home (how affection is shown or how emotions are expressed or how relationship dynamics work), therefore it would follow that a child growing up in a homosexual household will inadvertently repeat certain homosexual patterns of showing affection or other homosexual patterns.
*]Do they have difficulty building romantic relationships due to a lack of gender role models? [Don’t know.]
Again, if single parents’ children have difficulties, they have such difficulties due to the absence of the missing parent, be it mother or father. Substituting something else will create bigger problems than merely leaving a gap that’s empty and can be filled elsewhere, e.g. from observing friends, relatives etc. The child of two mothers will not only fail to copy that missing father but will also copy the two mother pattern, adding distorted information as opposed to merely not having information.
I guess in the end, if you want to have something to say about same sex parenting, you could attempt to extrapolate from what is known about single parenting. That would be appropriate since your concerns focus on gender identity and sexual orientation, and, from your other posts, you seem to believe already that same sex parenting is basically the same as single parenting in those respects, only worse.
Worse because while there is a gap in single parenting, that gap is filled with something different and distracting in homosexual parenting.
“Look at what those disgusting homosexuals are trying to do. Of course we always knew they were a threat to children, but now they want to snatch them from the hands of good, clean, normal folk and raise them to become revolting little homosexuals themselves.” Clearly, that isn’t at all what you’re saying, but this is sort of a touchy issue and misperceptions abound.
Actually, some probably genuinely want to care for children. Others may want to assert their right to adopt those children in order to assert the equal status of their homosexual family pattern. I doubt anybody actually wants to try and raise a child to be gay, maybe a “straight ally” but not actually gay. The latter two groups should be removed right away from any consideration, while we can talk about the first one (although I’m against it for reasons given above, I’m much more sympathetic with those people’s desires and needs).
A better approach would be to bring out your favorite argument against same sex “marriage,” and then simply note that it would be inconsistent to have gay adoption but forbid the parents in question from being married in the eyes of the State.
I always used that argument when there was talking about allowing homosexual “marriage”. And look what happened.
 
One could easily say that those whose objections to gay adoption flow from religious belief have the onus of justifying their belief. If you ever wanted to know about scientific studies (and claiming the APA is full of bad practice also requires evidence), then you cannot dismiss them in favour of ‘common sense’. Or your appeal to science was insincere in the first place.

Secondly, one’s experience of growing up with one parent is not necessarily comparable to other people’s experiences in single-parent families. And having 2 adult parents (gay or not) is certainly different from having one.

The onus is on you to explain why your category for analysis and protection of citizens is sexuality. As found from research, gay sexuality is not pathological, and is a standard feature of humanity. There are many ways to protect children, but ‘shielding’ them from gay sexuality is not one of them.
 
It gives the Catholic/Orthodox points scientifically, and unlike the APA, it is methodologically sound.
 
While I agree that kids from homosexual partnerships are probably affected negatively by it, I wonder though… if they grow up with problems, are those problems due to the parents themselves, or society’s REACTION to them?

In other words, are the kids messed up because they had 2 moms, or because society told them it was messed up to have 2 moms? Or because other children mocked and teased them? Or people held up signs saying “God hates fags” as the children walked past?

Is the child of a homosexual couple more messed up than the child of an alcoholic, or abusive parent? Or the child of divorce?

I just think studies on this subject would be dubious, because no two households are the same. There are so many factors which affect a child’s development, how can we single one out as the definitive “nail in the coffin”? How can you know for sure when a control group is impossible? There’s no way to screen out variables.

Personally, I struggle with the subject when I think of the otherwise “unadoptable” children who have been taken in, loved by and protected by gay couples. Especially children who are HIV+.
 
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