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Hi all. I have been in a “dry” period in prayer for a couple of months now. Occasionally God will give me a consolation (I hope I’m using all these words right!) for a very brief time; they have been getting shorter and farther apart but also more intense. After the consolation the darkness and dryness intensifies and becomes more painful than it was before. I hope I’m describing this correctly. It’s painful to think about God but He is all I want to think about … I love Him and want to do everything for Him even if it rips me to shreds inside.

Today I went to Adoration and felt so miserable. It seemed impossible that it could be Jesus in the Eucharist and I thought maybe it was demeaning to God to think that he could be a piece of bread kept in a box and taken out for people to look at. I managed to make some acts of faith … but I felt as if I were lying and it was so painful because I hate to lie and I just want the truth.

I don’t know. I don’t really understand what God is doing in my soul. Can anyone help?
 
Hi all. I have been in a “dry” period in prayer for a couple of months now. Occasionally God will give me a consolation (I hope I’m using all these words right!) for a very brief time; they have been getting shorter and farther apart but also more intense. After the consolation the darkness and dryness intensifies and becomes more painful than it was before. I hope I’m describing this correctly. It’s painful to think about God but He is all I want to think about … I love Him and want to do everything for Him even if it rips me to shreds inside.

Today I went to Adoration and felt so miserable. It seemed impossible that it could be Jesus in the Eucharist and I thought maybe it was demeaning to God to think that he could be a piece of bread kept in a box and taken out for people to look at. I managed to make some acts of faith … but I felt as if I were lying and it was so painful because I hate to lie and I just want the truth.

I don’t know. I don’t really understand what God is doing in my soul. Can anyone help?
This will just be my opinion, so see if it makes sense to you. Our prayer lives need to reach a point where consolations begin to cease, and the Lord wants you to make acts of faith in His Presence and love for you.

This is what strengthens our faith, and what proves to the Lord that we really want to love Him with all our heart, soul, and strength. If he makes it easy all the time for us, there will be no merit or spiritual growth, and we should not want to stay in the same place spiritually without growing in grace.

There is much merit when during these dry times of prayer you do not get lazy and still keep to your prayer schedule. Temptations to be indifferent can be brushed aside while you make acts of faith.
Also, along with your prayer time, get some good spiritual reading, some of which could be of the lives of the saints.

A good spiritual director who is schooled well in how to direct people into a deeper prayer life and who understands what a soul goes through will help much.

A good book that comes to mind is “When the Well Runs Dry” by Father Thomas Green.

God bless you,

Dorothy
 
Hi all. I have been in a “dry” period in prayer for a couple of months now. Occasionally God will give me a consolation (I hope I’m using all these words right!) for a very brief time; they have been getting shorter and farther apart but also more intense. After the consolation the darkness and dryness intensifies and becomes more painful than it was before. I hope I’m describing this correctly. It’s painful to think about God but He is all I want to think about … I love Him and want to do everything for Him even if it rips me to shreds inside.

Today I went to Adoration and felt so miserable. It seemed impossible that it could be Jesus in the Eucharist and I thought maybe it was demeaning to God to think that he could be a piece of bread kept in a box and taken out for people to look at. I managed to make some acts of faith … but I felt as if I were lying and it was so painful because I hate to lie and I just want the truth.

I don’t know. I don’t really understand what God is doing in my soul. Can anyone help?
I’m going through something very similar :hug1:

I want to love God too but this is tearing me apart inside cause I feel so far from Him.

This is a trial!!! He is transforming you through this… and preparing you for things… don’t give up!! I’m often tempted to give up but that’s not what God wants, - fight bravely and remember He’s with you regardless of how you feel. Pray to Him with all your heart and He will be pleased with your intention.

God bless!!
 
I agree with the others. Sometimes our faith is shown by behaving like a Catholic when it is the absolute last thing we want to do

God Bless

CM
 
I know that this is part of spirituality. I know it’s a good thing. I am persevering. But I am constantly terrified that I will stop persevering, as it becomes more and more difficult. It’s not really possible to express how painful and frightening this is. I hope I don’t come across as being whiny or ungrateful, “I want consolations!” That is not the issue. I would rather God not give me consolations because I would probably just misuse them.

I wish I had a holy spiritual director as someone else suggested but I don’t know how to find one and I’m not even Catholic yet so it seems like it would be odd.

I don’t even know why I posted this thread or what I’m asking for. I suppose the only person who can help me now is God.
 
I know that this is part of spirituality. I know it’s a good thing. I am persevering. But I am constantly terrified that I will stop persevering, as it becomes more and more difficult. It’s not really possible to express how painful and frightening this is. I hope I don’t come across as being whiny or ungrateful, “I want consolations!” That is not the issue. I would rather God not give me consolations because I would probably just misuse them.

I wish I had a holy spiritual director as someone else suggested but I don’t know how to find one and I’m not even Catholic yet so it seems like it would be odd.

I don’t even know why I posted this thread or what I’m asking for. I suppose the only person who can help me now is God.
don’t feel like you can’t/shouldn’t reach out to others for help… it helps sometimes just having a support network to get through a trial, even if it’s online! I know totally what you mean about fearing not persevering. I have the same thing right now and it’s really hard. Keep on asking God for the grace to persevere and remember He cares about our salvation even more than we do, so He WILL help! Often He works secretly in our souls, though we don’t even realize it or feel anything… but He’s still upholding us… rest assured if you WANT to follow God, (I’m not even talking about feelings but your faith and your will), then Jesus is there with you. That’s how we tell…by the fruits. Not by the feelings. You said you miss God and want to love Him… well those are good fruits! 🙂

I know this is really difficult to go through :hug1:
 
My spirituality goes up and down. I found that helping others raises it.
 
Your message has a ring of real sincerity about it. First, check that you are not in a state of mortal sin using an examination of conscience such as this one. If you are in a state of mortal sin, go to the Sacrament of Penance, asap. I believe you can do this before you are received into full communion.

Assuming you are in a state of grace, follow this advice of St Francis de Sales on finding a spiritual guide/ director:
pray most earnestly to God to supply you with a guide after His Own Heart, and never doubt but that He will grant you one who is wise and faithful, even should He send you an angel from Heaven, as He sent to Tobias.
… with such an aim, choose one among a thousand, Avila says;—and I say fifteen among ten thousand, for there are fewer than one would think capable of this office. He must needs be full of love, of **wisdom **and of discretion; for if either of these three be wanting there is danger. But once more I say, ask such help of God, and when you have found it, bless His Holy Name; be stedfast, seek no more, but go on simply, humbly and trustfully, for you are safe to make a prosperous journey.
Don’t be surprised if odd things happen. I was a university student and had just started praying. I went hiking with the university club and got talking to a genial Irishman in his 30s. As the conversation progressed, I asked him where he lived and he said: “I’m based in a monastery in X”

“Based in a monastery? Are you a monk?”

He was. I mentioned that I was interested in becoming a Catholic- I wanted to speak with a Dominican about it but wasn’t sure how to do that. My new friend told me to go to their Matins/ Morning Prayer, wait for everyone to leave and then ring the bell to speak with a friar.

I did so. Everybody left but one person. Eventually he approached me, a larger man in his 40s, and said “You look like a student but you’re up too early to be a student. What’s the story?”
“I’m looking to speak with a priest about becoming Catholic”
“I’m a priest, you can talk to me if you like”
So I did speak to this priest, Fr K. He said he was from a different diocese. He gave the names and numbers of a local priest and an Anglican minister to contact (I was an Anglican at the time). I contacted both of them and my life started to change from there. Neither the priest nor the minister, nor any priests I later met from the diocese he claimed to be from knew anything about this mysterious Fr. K. :confused:😃

I hope this helps. God is working through this. The Enemy will try to detach you from your good intentions. Focus on God. There is almost no such thing as bad prayer. “Pray as you can not as you can’t” Abbot John Chapman, OSB. Give yourself in your youth. As my Irish monk friend, who remains a blessing in my life to this day, said: “God will not be outdone in generosity”.
 
If it’s not too difficult maybe try to read dark night of the soul by Saint John of the Cross.
 
First, check that you are not in a state of mortal sin using an examination of conscience such as this one. If you are in a state of mortal sin, go to the Sacrament of Penance, asap. I believe you can do this before you are received into full communion.
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As a catechumen I cannot go to Confession and be absolved. I don’t understand exactly what I am, really, or how I am supposed to be relating to God right now, since I am not baptized. Is it even possible for me to be in a state of grace? I know that God’s grace is working in my soul, because the desire I have for Him, and the effects of that desire on my behavior and will, could not be coming from me. But I suppose it’s a different kind of grace than that which comes after baptism. It’s confusing, because everything I have heard and read makes it sound as if spirituality and sanctity begins with baptism. But the Church makes me wait; so I am nobody to God right now. I am trying to be a nobody who loves Him.
If it’s not too difficult maybe try to read dark night of the soul by Saint John of the Cross.
I have read it, actually, or most of it. It seemed to me that it couldn’t possibly apply to me, because it is talking about people very advanced in the spiritual life.
 
don’t feel like you can’t/shouldn’t reach out to others for help… it helps sometimes just having a support network to get through a trial, even if it’s online! I know totally what you mean about fearing not persevering. I have the same thing right now and it’s really hard. Keep on asking God for the grace to persevere and remember He cares about our salvation even more than we do, so He WILL help! Often He works secretly in our souls, though we don’t even realize it or feel anything… but He’s still upholding us… rest assured if you WANT to follow God, (I’m not even talking about feelings but your faith and your will), then Jesus is there with you. That’s how we tell…by the fruits. Not by the feelings. You said you miss God and want to love Him… well those are good fruits! 🙂

I know this is really difficult to go through :hug1:
Thank you, Monica.
 
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Student09:
I don’t know. I don’t really understand what God is doing in my soul. Can anyone help?
It’s like a building construction job. Suppose there’s an old shack built on a piece of property and a designer and company have in mind a vastly superior building, a shining house of high quality. They have to use a bulldozer or other mechanical instruments to knock down the old one so the new one can replace it. That’s what God is doing to you, knocking down what is old so He can build up something far better and new.
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Student09:
As a catechumen I cannot go to Confession and be absolved. I don’t understand exactly what I am, really, or how I am supposed to be relating to God right now, since I am not baptized. Is it even possible for me to be in a state of grace? I know that God’s grace is working in my soul, because the desire I have for Him, and the effects of that desire on my behavior and will, could not be coming from me. But I suppose it’s a different kind of grace than that which comes after baptism. It’s confusing, because everything I have heard and read makes it sound as if spirituality and sanctity begins with baptism.
What you have in your heart right now is what the Council of Trent in 1563 defined as, “Baptism of Desire.” The heart desires baptism, so it is spiritually united with baptism. Through Baptism of Desire, you are united with baptism though not perfected in it through the sacrament. This is sufficient for salvation if through no fault of your own you were never able to receive the actual sacrament. However, it is a light guiding the soul to the one baptism the Church offers sacramentally.

Jesus is in you through Baptism of Desire, drawing your soul toward the completeness of what you spiritually have already become linked to. That is why you desire the fullness so much, and why it is deep pain to be without it. That is all because of the presence of Christ in your heart.
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Student09:
I have read it, actually, or most of it. It seemed to me that it couldn’t possibly apply to me, because it is talking about people very advanced in the spiritual life.
Some parts of the book are, but others apply to younger followers of God. Sometimes God calls people into great trials in His service right after they first get to know Him. I suspect that what you’re experiencing right now is the “dark night of the sense.”

I can describe to you, somewhat, two dark nights that a soul on the road to sainthood undergoes. The first is the “dark night of sense.” During that period, a soul will be drawn away from material pleasures it used to delight in. It will have things or people it previously was deeply connected to stripped away, so that its security may become God alone. It will also often go through great interior dryness and pain during this time, at the same time as it endures suffering from exterior forces.

This dark night gives way in time to the Illuminative spiritual life, a time of great light, unity and joy in the Lord. During this time, the soul continues to withdraw more and more from its attachment to the world, until (if the soul is graced enough to reach such a spiritual height) after many years the Lord hits it with its most agonizing trial, the “dark night of spirit,” in which for a long period, sometimes years, the soul feels separated from God, hated by God and every thought of God is scorching agony. He is the soul’s only desire in the world, so the soul plunges into the torment of dwelling on Him and praising Him even though it is only crushed in response. It is an unimaginably painful interior trial that leaves very few marks on the surface of the growing saint, for the saint lives in incredible charity throughout that time. Mother Teresa of Calcutta endured this state for about 40 years, if I’m not mistaken. Some people recognized St. Faustina’s tribulations during a small portion of this period because she lost all appetite and grew thin and came to look desperate and haunted, though she continued to persist always in the highest charity and in her spiritual life she never could stop pursuing God.

Finally this trial gives way to the “Way of the Perfect,” the spiritual life that probably almost all of the canonized saints dwelt in, a state of unity with God so deep and complete that the saint is almost completely without sin (only very rarely will a trace of venial sin pass through such a one) and lives in constant union with the Presence of God, doing all things for love of God and one’s neighbor.

I believe a lot of devout Christians endure the dark night of sense in their lives. The dark night of spirit is another level up there completely. It is interior and of the spirit, though often it might be combined with exterior trials too (while these will feel small by comparison to the interior anguish). But the “dark night of the sense” involves a deep feeling of dryness, often a feeling of separation from God, and it is in some way connected with exterior trials like damaged relations with loved ones or financial or other kinds of worldly loss for the sake of Christ. The “dark night of sense” is what I think you could very well be experiencing.

I suspect it’s not an infrequent thing for converts to undergo this first dark night during the conversion process. And I think it’s very possible that that’s what you’re experiencing.
 
And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as children — “My child, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, or lose heart when you are punished by him; for the Lord disciplines those whom he loves, and chastises every child whom he accepts.” Endure trials for the sake of discipline. God is treating you as children; for what child is there whom a parent does not discipline? If you do not have that discipline in which all children share, then you are illegitimate and not his children. Moreover, we had human parents to discipline us, and we respected them. Should we not be even more willing to be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share his holiness. Now, discipline always seems painful rather than pleasant at the time, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
Hebrews 12:5-11

More here by Fr. Robert Barron:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/07/09/undergoing-training-in-the-divine-school/

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And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as children — “My child, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, or lose heart when you are punished by him; for the Lord disciplines those whom he loves, and chastises every child whom he accepts.” Endure trials for the sake of discipline. God is treating you as children; for what child is there whom a parent does not discipline? If you do not have that discipline in which all children share, then you are illegitimate and not his children. Moreover, we had human parents to discipline us, and we respected them. Should we not be even more willing to be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share his holiness. Now, discipline always seems painful rather than pleasant at the time, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
Hebrews 12:5-11

More here by Fr. Robert Barron:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/07/09/undergoing-training-in-the-divine-school/

dj
Great site! I bookmarked it, and will tell others about it. There is much good reading there. Father Robert Barron is a gift to the Church!
 
Is it even possible for me to be in a state of grace? I know that God’s grace is working in my soul, because the desire I have for Him, and the effects of that desire on my behavior and will, could not be coming from me… I am trying to be a nobody who loves Him.
It is different if you aren’t baptised. Maybe God is allowing you to taste the dust and ashes of life before the regeneration of Baptism in its true reality. Yet, you have this desire, which is of the Holy Spirit. The HS is working in you, like the remnant of Israel waiting for the Messiah. If Adoration is not working for you right now, try praying through the Gospel passages where those outside the Covenant meet with Jesus (the Samaritan woman, the centurion whose daughter was sick etc). I remember that limbo state between when I’d decided to become Catholic and when I was received. It is painful, but it’s a pain of growing and then you receive great joy and maybe great consolations once you are baptized. God has great things in store for you.

Being a nobody who loves him…that is very good. It reminds me of Zaccheus. That might ne a good passage to pray through too (Luke 19). But do pray and look for a spiritual director. God bless you.
 
Lief, thank you so much for posting - it is helping me a little. I didn’t know that about the Baptism of Desire; I thought it didn’t do anything unless you actually died! 😛

I went back last night and began reading “Dark Night of the Soul” from the beginning again, where it speaks of the night of sense. I’m not sure, but it does sound like what I am experiencing. I’ve also been going through exterior trials. In a strange way I know that I would not be able to bear these trials if God were not supporting me, even though He seems so far away and disconnected.
If Adoration is not working for you right now, try praying through the Gospel passages where those outside the Covenant meet with Jesus (the Samaritan woman, the centurion whose daughter was sick etc)…
Thanks for your post - praying the Gospel is a good idea. I love the Gospels but lately I have found it difficult to read them. I should make myself do it, anyway, though. Lately the Old Testament is where I find the most comfort - maybe because, as you said, the OT Israelites were waiting for the Messiah to come, as I am waiting.

As for Adoration - I go there to please Jesus and not for myself, but the last time I went, the horrible thing was not the dryness but the feeling that my being there was displeasing to Jesus somehow. I pray that it’s only a feeling.
 
As for Adoration - I go there to please Jesus and not for myself, but the last time I went, the horrible thing was not the dryness but the feeling that my being there was displeasing to Jesus somehow. I pray that it’s only a feeling.
I know what you by this and it IS horrible. And yes it’s a feeling. If you were truly displeasing to Jesus, I don’t think you’d feel that. I think then, you wouldn’t even care about Jesus enough to go to Adoration.
 
During this time, the soul continues to withdraw more and more from its attachment to the world, until (if the soul is graced enough to reach such a spiritual height) after many years the Lord hits it with its most agonizing trial, the “dark night of spirit,” in which for a long period, sometimes years, the soul feels separated from God, hated by God and every thought of God is scorching agony. He is the soul’s only desire in the world, so the soul plunges into the torment of dwelling on Him and praising Him even though it is only crushed in response.
I hope I’m not derailing this thread… but I was wondering, how do you know if you have this, or a trial that’s a result of your own sin? If a person feels rejected by God and finds it painful to even think of Him, but still continues to trust Him on a deeper level (deeper than emotions) and praises Him, - can that be the dark night of the soul? I’m asking cause sometimes I feel this way, but I’m nowhere close to this stage. That’s why I started wondering if I am in fact rejected, because I’ve read the dark night of the soul is a really advanced stage of the spiritual life. Maybe what I’m going through is the dark night of the senses, but not much is happening to me except the sin I described in my thread. Maybe God is trying to purify me and it’s a different type of trial.

Before I became Catholic, I went through several days of feeling completely rejected by God but this was not brought on by sin, to my knowledge. It came out of nowhere, while I was on a retreat/conference. Throughout this time I continued to attend the prayer and worship sessions, but it was very hard to think of God. I can see now how He used that time to help me grow in faith, as previously I was very attached to feelings (and still am in ways, so I’m not yet perfect in this regard…at all.)

I think I’d prefer a spiritual trial without sin than what I’m going through now.

But I think no matter what’s happening, we should always say - Blessed be Jesus, You are good, I trust in You.
 
As for Adoration - I go there to please Jesus and not for myself, but the last time I went, the horrible thing was not the dryness but the feeling that my being there was displeasing to Jesus somehow.
You are not displeasing to Jesus, you are His delight, His beloved. If you haven’t come across it, Henri Nouwen’s book Life of the Beloved is very good reading on movements of the Holy Spirit within our lives and how we become what we celebrate- Eucharist for the world.
Lately the Old Testament is where I find the most comfort - maybe because, as you said, the OT Israelites were waiting for the Messiah to come, as I am waiting.
If you are finding consolation in the OT, go with that, it’s God speaking to you about how and where He wants to find you. Maybe try Lectio Divina on the Psalms or Song of Songs. Both speak powerfully of longing for God and the anguish it can bring.

Adoration is very important for growing in faith. However, faith in the Real Presence is a supernatural gift which surpasses our reason and our fallen nature. Maybe the time for Adoration will come later? Jesus is pleased by us delighting in Him as he delights in us, wherever we find him at the time. As a good priest told me when I was preparing to be Received and Confirmed- prayer is not a nasty medicine. Abbot John Chapman’s advice, “Pray as you can not as you can’t” is deceptively simple advice from a master of the spiritual life who was soaked in St John of the Cross’s teaching as well as in the sober sense of the Benedictines. Hope this helps. I’ll pray for you.
 
Regarding whether the feeling of abandonment can come from ones own sin…
The case would have to be that the person was neglecting their prayer life from what it had been before, and were becoming careless about being loving to others.
 
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