And that’s exactly what I wrote about earlier. There is no such thing as “indirectly absolved”; and creating such a vocabulary to defend what you keep writing only serves to further encourage the scrupulous person who goes back to a confessor and says “I wasn’t really absolved, I was only indirectly absolved, so I’m repeating it again.”
Your posts, here and elsewhere, about penitents confessing past sins goes far beyond what the Church teaches as necessary. From the point-of-view of an actual confessor, I must say that it is not helpful, and very harmful because scrupulous people are reading the posts and they are making real confessions more difficult.
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I was very clear that it was absolved. And I did not create the phrase - I learned it. But that can be set aside - it is not too important here.
Also I am very conscious of the presence of persons with scruples in the this forum and I actually add notes directly to them when I respond on this matter- about that they can be in a different boat and to see their regular confessor. See my posts -this is a common practice on my part when I answer this question.
What I was getting at was that I was agreeing with you in some of what you were noting and that I was further noting for clarity that it while the forgotten mortal sin was absolved - that it still needs to be confessed if it is remembered.
I simply noted a term that has been used in past - but perhaps your right that it was not the place necessarily to bring up the term that I used and that it can be at times too confusing for some.
As to the obligation to confess forgotten mortal sins - as I
continually note - there can be *exceptions *- but these are exceptions (such as a person who scruples over confession may need to be directed in particular way by their confessor…the forgotten sins remain forgotten etc etc-- and again I am rather careful to note the existence of these exceptions -and I am rather careful to refer those with scruples to their regular confessors…so I do not see what you suggest.).
Here are some examples from the Staff at Catholic Answers for readers that may be better in explaining for readers what I was seeking to note (and thus leaving aside that phrase that I used) and from the CCCC.
Jimmy Akin - the Senior Apologist at Catholic Answers:
"A reader writes:
Code:
I am aware that if one goes to confession and supplies the requisite contrition, then all sins which the person committed are absolved–provided that the person does not intentionally conceal any mortal sins.
Correct.
You are forgiven if you meant to confess all your mortal sins and just forgot one. Having been forgiven of the one you forgot,
you are still obligated/COLOR] to confess it the next time you go to confession. It’s not that your forgiveness of it is conditional on you adopting the intention to confess it next time. That sin has already been forgiven. It’s that you incur a new sin if you refuse to adopt the intention of confessing it."
jimmyakin.com/2006/09/a_reader_writes_1.html
Catholic Answers Priest - “Ask an Apologist”:
“You simply need to confess (sic) the mortal sin you had forgotten the next time you go to confession. You can continue to receive the Eucharist until you are able to go to confession. You did not fall out of grace, the sin was forgiven.”
Fr. Charles Grondin
Apologist
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=960288&highlight=forgotten+mortal+sins
“You are correct in stating that after making a good confession, all one’s sins of the past, including forgotten sins, are forgiven. Should we remember some of them later, we are obliged to mention them in Confession, not because they are not forgiven (They are!), but because we owe God our humble expression of sorrow, repentance and gratitude. Since it was through the sacrament that He has forgiven us, it is only right that we respond, as best we can, to such forgiveness there also.”
Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.
Apologist Catholic Answers
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=928374&highlight=forgotten+mortal+sins#post928374
“A person who has genuinely forgotten a mortal sin need not worry because s/he is not considered in a state of mortal sin. However the mortal sin does need to be confessed at the next reasonable opportunity.”
Fr. Charles Grondin
Apologist
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=738084&highlight=forgotten+mortal+sins
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Compendium issued by Pope Benedict XVI**
304. Which sins must be confessed?
1456
All grave sins not yet confessed, which a careful examination of conscience brings to mind, must be brought to the sacrament of Penance.
vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html