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I has to do with the change of fashions. Prior to the 1960s men almost always wore their hair short. During the 60s was the time of the hippies and the style of men having long hair. this change of style also was associated with a lot of the turmoil that occurred during that time.
I have seen a lot of change in styles over the years. I think what is most important is what the leadership of the schola says than what that individual might have to say. I think that what is most important is the attitude of the person than the hairstyle.
 
I sing gregorian chant in a small French schola and I lost most of my hair 35 years ago when I was 21. I wouldn’t mind some hair on my bonce as it’s pretty darn cold in church during the winter months. I haven’t had any complaints about my beard though. If you have hair, I say rejoice!
 
It is usually easier to find black clothes and shoes in the Autumn and Winter seasons than in Spring and Summer seasons.
 
jesusmademe said:
One of the guys, who was at some time attending SSPX Masses, told me afterwards that you can’t have long hair in the schola (I have my ponytail and like it). He said short hair is the decorum.
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Last schola I saw here in USA had a guy with long floppy hair to his collar leading the group and I’m pretty sure there was at least one ponytail among the rest.

Ignore the guy who wants to take society back to 1950s crew cuts. If he hassles you again, direct his attention towards the zillion depictions of long-haired Jesus.

Unless, as others have said, this is a policy set by the head of the schola, for uniform look within the group, in which case the head of the schola should be telling you of the policy, not some random member.
 
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So I guess all those depictions of Jesus with long flowing locks are heretical then?

It’s pretty clear St. Paul wasn’t just talking about a man with long hair (setting aside the fact that “long” was relative and “long” for back then would have meant much longer than shoulder length). He was talking about men who were making themselves look effeminate generally.

Many ordinary men had long hair then - people didn’t have easy access to barbers, or perhaps even a sharp hair cutting tool, unless perhaps they were rich or part of nobility.
 
It took an pastor about 1 hour in a youtube video to explain it. Seems more difficult than people think.
 
jesusmademe said:
Only Byzantines can have longer hair??
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I don’t know about other byzantines, but for our actual Ruthenian men, silver hair and a hairline in retreat (not merely receding!) seems to be the norm by middle age. At which point, the Law of Conservation of Hair compels them to add the ponytail in back to conserve the total amount of hair . . .
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The only thing I was told when joining was that I must be able to sing ok.
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Oh.

Then I guess that I am out . . .

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poche said:
I have seen a lot of change in styles over the years.
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I am truly amazed when I see pictures of myself in school in the 70s . . . even with my mother cutting my hair, the sheer quantity that I had without it touching my collar (Jesuit school) . . . and everyone else had just as much . . .

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I personally have nothing against guys having long hair and it seems like most here are not against it, so I wonder how everyone understands the following verse:

“Does not nature itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is degrading to him”

1 Corinthians 11:14 RSVCE

Edit: Ahhhh someone already answered this. It was a reasonable answer. Thanks
 
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Long hair. Beards. Shaved heads. Clean shaved faces. What does it matter.
It is not our outer appearance. It is what is in our heart and in our mind.
We must love God above all things.
And we must live and serve our brothers and sisters.
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jesusmademe:
Long hair is very manly!
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It seems the unspoken agreement in this thread is to pretend that St. Paul the Apostle never had anything to say on this matter. He did though. See 1 Corinthians 11:14.

1 Corinthians 11:14 NABRE - Does not nature itself teach you that - Bible Gateway
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Glad you mentioned it @Roguish. Because if no one did I was going to remind folks there’s actually a Scriptural passage about it. How to interpret the passage is the trick. However, given there is a passage I wouldn’t vilify any faithful for believing in it strictu sensu.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
people didn’t have easy access to barbers, or perhaps even a sharp hair cutting tool
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Iron being the most common element on Earth would have us believe knives weren’t uncommon. Both stone sharpening and even leather stropping those tools would have been common. Also, modern technology hasn’t been able to fully reproduce Damascus steel, folks back then knew their metal 🙂
Excavations in Egypt have unearthed solid gold and copper razors in tombs dating back to the 4th millennium BC. The Roman historian Livy reported that the razor was introduced in ancient Rome in the 6th century BC.
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I’m sure knives weren’t uncommon, they were likely a basic tool many people needed. But a lot of people were poor and might not live near a place where they could replace a broken knife right away.

It’s my understanding that most people in Jesus’ time had their hair cut less frequently than people today and that men would typically have hair ending somewhere between chin and shoulders. Maybe shorter if they had more money or better access to a barber.

Also, I thought Jewish men typically didn’t use razors for religious reasons and used scissors instead. Using a razor to shave hair was usually part of a religious ceremony or a punishment and wasn’t the everyday grooming tool.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
It’s my understanding that most people in Jesus’ time had their hair cut less frequently than people today
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I don’t think this was necessarily so especially in hot climates where water wasn’t abundant.
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Also, I thought Jewish men typically didn’t use razors for religious reasons
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Good you mention it, I had forgotten how often razors were mentioned in the OT. I don’t think you had to pay much for a barber back then, there’d probably be one razor per family or village and the village barber probably didn’t charge much for his service. Also good that you mentioned scissors because I had never thought about them.

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I’m wondering if perhaps the person who originally criticized the OP’s hairstyle just thinks that a traditional man’s haircut (say, like a TV newscaster would wear) is the only hairstyle that is acceptable. In general. Not that it has to be a 1950s crew cut, but just what would be generally seen as an upper -crust type man’s haircut is the only haircut that displays decorum, for a man. I am pretty sure most folks in my parents’ generation thought that. 😃
 
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Read this: CONCERNING THE LENGTH OF HAIR AND THE IMAGE OF CHRIST – SVMMA APOLOGIA

I just have one question: why is it that the Catholic Church tell me not to wear hats inside a church (not that I read about it in canon law) but let the women forget about the veil? If women are allowed to say no to the veil why are men not allowed to wear hats inside a church? Why is the veil only a tradition when no hats inside a church is so much more than a tradition?
 
Custom and decorum. Men remove hats as a sign of respect, appropriate for church. Women traditionally wore a veil as a sign of respect and modesty, and some have revived this custom.
No men around here wear hats, except (ugh) backwards baseball hats. So far I’ve never seen one at Mass.
 
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