Nelson Mandela Day

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And if you ever displease your Elitist handlers you’re murdered in a coup d’état. We have done this so many times around the world.

The murder of South Vietnam President Ngô Đình Diệm was definitely intended to aid the Communists:


“During the presidency of Richard Nixon, a US government investigation was initiated into American involvement in the assassinations. Nixon was a political foe of Kennedy, having narrowly lost to him in the 1960 Presidential election. Nixon ordered an investigation under E. Howard Hunt into the murders, convinced Kennedy must have secretly ordered the killings but the inquiry was unable to find any such secret order”
 
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Yes I was going to refer to his wife at the time but didn’t know if you were aware of that. That’s kinda not a proven fact although I would believe it. I am not a fan of her.

You really do not need to tell me what kind of acts of public violence happened. I have personally met and spoke with people who first hand witnessed this. Really, I know all that. But that’s not the point here. We were talking about Mandela. Which if you do not know, a person in a very much isolated prison on an island (I’ve been there twice) does not have the luxury of “actively” participating in voilence.

That last part of your post just does not make any sense.

Ps. Sorry for asking but why this big interest in SA history? I can send you a few links of good books to read on it.
 
Right. We are talking about the racial terrorist Nelson Mandela. I don’t care how long or where he was in prison. He should have stayed there forever.

People in prison absolutely can engage in violence. Plenty of prisoners have commanded violence from their prison cells. I don’t know if Mandela did, but he engaged in enough violence before getting to prison that he deserved to be there forever.
 
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Right. We are talking about the racial terrorist Nelson Mandela. I don’t care how long or where he was in prison. He should have stayed there forever.

People in prison absolutely can engage in violence. Plenty of prisoners have commanded violence from their prison cells. I don’t know if Mandela did, but he engaged in enough violence before getting to prison that he deserved to be there forever.
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So that brings us back to the post I referred you to. Please give reasons and historical facts for the bolded parts.

Again, I can refer you to some good books to expand your knowledge on this!
 
Really? You don’t think Mandela was associated with terrorism? I don’t think books which would lead one not to conclude that increase anyone’s knowledge.
 
Okay I’ll go along.

He was convicted under the terrorism act. Is that what you mean?
 
No. I mean he was a terrorist. He was a person who engaged in violence or commanded others to do so,
 
exnihilo said:
engaged in violence or commanded others to do so,
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So show me were this is proven?

He was convicted as doing this yes! Under a government who literally sent a black person to jail for sitting on a bench marked “EUROPEAN”.

You realise PhDs have been written on this subject?
 
I am happy you do not say he was a Communist. That’s even worse!
 
MichaelP3 said:
So show me were this is proven?
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Where is anything proven?
MichaelP3 said:
He was convicted as doing this yes! Under a government who literally sent a black person to jail for sitting on a bench marked “EUROPEAN”.
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So. That doesn’t have anything to do with whether Mandela was a terrorist.
MichaelP3 said:
You realise PhDs have been written on this subject?
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That is what PhD candidates do. They write on obscure and likely false things.
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I am happy you do not say he was a Communist. That’s even worse!
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The distinction isn’t that important but he was likely a communist.
 
Okay! I see

I have some questions?

Why the big interest on Mandela?
Why the big concern with SA?
What knowledge do you really have about SA?

Honestly I would love a conversation about this. History is my big passion and I would like to talk about it. And I can say I have studied all of this to a very great extent.

Let’s choose a specific subject and start there. I would like that.

Maybe let’s start with:

Why EXACTLY AND WHY do you say Mandela was a terrorist?

Edit: I never thought the world cares about SA. But I am always game to talk about my country when a foreigner seems to take an interest.
 
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exnihilo said:
That is what PhD candidates do. They write on obscure and likely false things.
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This post is of great concern.

My wife is a history PhD candidate and I can assure you it is not easy. She is doing her PhD on the HNP party who broke away from the National Party in the 1970’s in SA. The leader was A. Hertzog (son of former prime minister J.B.M. Hertzog and boer General in the Anglo boer war). They actually broke away (or was thrown out depending on who you talk to) because they thought the current government at the time was too liberal.

Point is. I am ready to talk about my country as it seems some people know a lot when it comes to some topics.

Ps. I am not joking. We can go a very long way if you choose that we go that way.
 
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But South Africa experienced apartheid and oppression for a long period of time. It is understandable to see his imperfect but there is a context behind that. The South African people were struggling.
 
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I agree he isn’t a perfect figure but there’s an entire context to understand.
 
Segregation in the US was bad too, MLK didn’t resort to bombings to try and change it
 
Context is utmost key here. And as a South African having talked to the very people who first-hand experienced this… I think many on this thread should look up some SA history!
 
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I agree he isn’t a perfect figure but there’s an entire context to understand.
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The question can be equally asked to those who “actually study history” (I doubt many times the historical knowledge on CAF) . What hero was perfect “all the time”.
 
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I don’t have some great interest in Mandela or South Africa. I do have an interest in the false idols of our time.

I admit to not doing any extensive study of South Africa. It seems to me pretty basic that Mandela was part of the ANC which carried out terrorist acts. The terrorist acts certainly occured. So how is it you figure Mandela is not in any way responsible for them?
 
MichaelP3 said:
What hero was perfect “all the time”.
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None. But some heroes were pretty good. Some were really awful. The problem in our time is this attitude of acceptance for ‘imperfection’ seems to be applied unequally.
 
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