Neo Catechumenal Way coming to our parish?

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The experience of a Neocatechumenate member from July 18, 2000
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I read some comments of the link u posted (which criticizes NCW). I thought of copying and pasting the opinion of some of the members of NCW.

1- “Hey there. I’m from the NC Way. I feel there’s alot of heavy criticism spawn around with regards to the various practices of the NC Way. When I first heard it of, I too was utterly scandalised. But when the NC Way held a catechesis over at my local parish, I attended it in the hopes of finding out more. I realised that what the Way basically aims is for one to rediscover the true meaning of being a follower of Christ especially in this world where non-Christian values abound. It is hard being in the Way in my country, because many Catholics simply cannot accept that fact that we hold our own Celebration of the Eucharist. But I take solace in the fact that our late Pope John Paul II was deeply moved by our charism and urged us to carry on with it, something he termed as the “New Evangelisation”. Being in the Way for 4 years, I’ve seen how people really become more Christian-like as they take up their crosses. That gives me hope that I could one day be a true disciple of Christ. But don’t be mistaken! The NC Way is but only one of the charisms of the church! We definitely do not put down other groups such as the Legion of Mary etc. Hope that helps abit. =)”

2- “I am in the Way. Am a cradle Catholic. And I have never had my faith more enriched than through the Way. All of your information and assessment is incorrect. The last four Popes, including the conservative Ratzinger (now Benedict XVI), have approved of every ounce of the movement. One should investigate thoroughly before making claims about which you are uninformed. A letter to Kiko and Carmen from Cardinal Arinze (just over a year ago - CNS 12/28/05) confirmed most, if not all, of what is practiced. It is completely and entirely in line with every doctrine of the Church. The only changes were that were asked by Arinze… that we take two years to phase out not sitting around the altar for Eucharist and that those more senior members in the Way attend Mass with the regular congregation at least once per month. Kiko Arguello and Carmen Hernandez, initiators of the Way, are meeting with the Cardinals now to determine the Eucharist practice. We have and will continue to follow the Vatican, Church traditiona and doctrine.”

3- “I’M IN THE WAY AND I THINK ONE SHOULD GO TO THE CATEQUESIS JUST FOR CURIOUSITY TO SEE WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT. BEFORE USING THE WEB TO SHARE FALSE CLAIMS, PLEASE INVESTIGATE MORE. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN THERE IS NOT PERSUCUSION, SOMETHING’S WRONG.
JESUS DIED AND ROSE FROM DEATH, SO WE CAN HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, AND BE FREE FROM SLAVERY”
 
4- “The Neocatechumenal Way is faithful to the Magesterium of the Church. It is A way of Christian inititiation leading to an adult faith. Most cradle Catholics have a first Communion/Confirmation education in the faith. Most lack an experience of faith and have only a head knowledge. The NeocatehumenalWay allows each of us to rediscover our Baptism and follows the different rites shown in the RCIA program. These rites take place over a number of years, not over one or two as in the RCIA. The members of the NCW are followed by their catehchists every step of the way. I would surmise that the members of the NCW are actually more CATHOLIC than most others, attend Mass and go to Confession more frquently as well as give more to support the Church. The NCW also encourages us to pray, tithe and to be open to life. Many members of my community of 40 have over 9 children. One couple has 14, I have 13, one has 11, two have 10, etc. All these children are fruit of the Neocatechumenal way, and gifts of God. 5 Seminaries have also been opened in the USA filled with children of the Way. The NCW is indeed a fruit of the Holy Spirit and a great gift to the Church.”

5- “hi im 14 years old n im in the nw i began to come as my parents started about 20 years ago. like a couple of othere people have said who also go to the nw there is alot of critisim about what its about and the sort of things we do. however being in the community myself i have recieved many graces even at this young age have seen God act in many areas of my life. Many of u who are not apart of the way say its against the way the vatican wants but infact we listen to wat the pope wants and he knows tht this community is going on. Anyway all you who say you dnt agree or who arent sure about the community i urge u to go to a catechisis as if u really listen and are humble enough to accept wot is being said u will recieve many graces in ure life and u will see God act jst like i have. and also i no its hard to understand wot im trying to explain but also please go onto the links tht the others in the community have posted they will relli help. But b4 u think were doing sumthink wrong plz go and listen to a catechisi openly and see if u hear anything for ure life.”

6- “hey i’m 17 and i’m in the NW as well. I also agree that the way has dramatically changed my life. Before i was in the way i used to attend sunday mass, but i didn’t really get a feel for it. The way has helped me get a better understanding of what life is for, and how i should live it. Especially living in world that tells you that everythings okay. A materialistic wrold that that encourages drugs, sex,and alcohol. Look at our schools they tell us we can’t pray but then tell us to use protection. Being in the way has allowed to get deeper understanding of my catholic religion and this is done through the the WORD, the EUCHARIST and monthly CONVAVINCE. So i also encourage who ever can to attend the Catechist, because before i joined i also used to chritisize and judge the way. I used to think it was a brain washing sect, but know i see how wrong i was. I was even amazed when i found out that right now there are many mambers of the way that have given up everything, their homes, their cars, their money and why? to follow Jesus. They leave everything except the clothes on their backs and go and spread the word of GOD in other nations. Thats what i admire about the way as well it tests your fate, are you willing to leave everything for GOD? So i strongly encourage all of you to experience the way for yourselves :D”

7- "May the peace of Christ risen be on all of you. My name is Bianca, I am sixteen, and I have been walking in a Neocatechumenal Community for about four years now. Before I entered the community, I did not accept my father, especially his erratic behavior due to his bipolar. I had severe self esteem problems and hated everyone and everything around me. I did not see the plan God had in my life.

God sent me the good news about a catechesis, and the thoughts of suicide went away. I love my father, and I have accepted people for who they are. I am not saying I am perfect, nor will I ever be. All I know now is that God truly loves me.

Now, how can you criticize a group that can do that for people?"

8-"I understand that there have been misconceptions encircling the Neocatechumenal Way. Also, some of these criticisms are either rumors or isolated problems that reflect certain people, not the group as a whole. If you want to be further educated, and not just ignorantly opinionated, I suggest reading the book “Dayenu, los origenes de la eucaristia”. This will explain many aspects of the eucharist of which we celebrate. Also, I suggest reading real articles, not just wikipedia. I also present to you a solution: if you are really determined in your battel against the Neocatechumenal communities, please attend some catechesis so that you may either understand our beliefs or perhaps even properly have evidence to oppose us.

Regardless of your attacks, you are still in my prayers in the hopes that you will one day accept all brothers and sisters in Christ, and remove the blindfold of hate you have against a way of life you have not researched.

Thank you, and God Bless."
 
Walking_Home said:
This kind of thought from the NCW adherents is quite troubling. From the comments in the rorate-caeli link.
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I want to slap that person. Hard.

First he completely forgot about Our Lady. She is, be Church teaching, the perfect creature. She shares in the glory of God and is crowned by God as the Queen of Heaven its self. No creature is as close to God as her or ever can be.

Also concerning us “Latin-lovers”. Our liturgy’s was codified centuries ago and in fact goes back centuries before that. How these little… persons can think they can rival that is ridiculous. But whayt really bugs me, besides the insult to Our Lady, is the claim that they “won”. Both BXVI and JPII grew up with and celebrated the ancient liturgy of the Roman Rite. And by God’s grace the Holy Father has worked to liberate it from the chains of bondage the modernists and liberals have wrapped it with.

In the western world, traditional societies and religious congregations are actually getting vocations. Our parishes are going from strength to strength.

They got a lucky shot in the first round. We’re going in for a K.O now though.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Oh boy. I guess this audience was taken as a blanket approval:

zenit.org/article-34155?l=english

Where oh where will our Roman Rite go?
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You know, this kind of attitude really makes me sick!! :mad:
Nothing is happening to “your” Rite! :rolleyes:
No one is telling you that you must paticipate in NCW, if it’s not for you stay away!
The Holy Father has given his approval, that should be enough! You don’t have to like it, but you do have to accept it!
 
YoungTradCath said:
Oh boy. I guess this audience was taken as a blanket approval:

zenit.org/article-34155?l=english

Where oh where will our Roman Rite go?
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That was before the Vatican clarified that no approval was given to their liturgy. You can see why they needed to explain that. :rolleyes:
Laudate_Dominum said:
I want to slap that person. Hard.

First he completely forgot about Our Lady. She is, be Church teaching, the perfect creature. She shares in the glory of God and is crowned by God as the Queen of Heaven its self. No creature is as close to God as her or ever can be.

Also concerning us “Latin-lovers”. Our liturgy’s was codified centuries ago and in fact goes back centuries before that. How these little… persons can think they can rival that is ridiculous. But whayt really bugs me, besides the insult to Our Lady, is the claim that they “won”. Both BXVI and JPII grew up with and celebrated the ancient liturgy of the Roman Rite. And by God’s grace the Holy Father has worked to liberate it from the chains of bondage the modernists and liberals have wrapped it with.

In the western world, traditional societies and religious congregations are actually getting vocations. Our parishes are going from strength to strength.

They got a lucky shot in the first round. We’re going in for a K.O now though.
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Don’t let anonymous flame-baiting get to you. It doesn’t take much to see that the post was deliberately phrased to provoke an angry response, knowing the piety of those who read Rorate Caeli, trying to elevate the discussion about the NCW into an argument between the OF and EF.

Who knows, perhaps the author of that comment isn’t a Catholic to begin with. 🤷
 
Oneofthewomen said:
You know, this kind of attitude really makes me sick!! :mad:
Nothing is happening to “your” Rite! :rolleyes:
No one is telling you that you must paticipate in NCW, if it’s not for you stay away!
The Holy Father has given his approval, that should be enough! You don’t have to like it, but you do have to accept it!
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But the Holy Father warned about the liturgy and the need for NCW’ to not remove themselves from parish life.

That is my biggest concern…they sound devisive and that is really troubling. As well as the secrecy about it…even here no one really knows how they showed up at our parish.

I’m considering going to the first couple of meetings to ask a LOT of questions. Why would things be secretive if they are of God?
 
No one is telling you that you must paticipate in NCW, if it’s not for you stay away!
The Holy Father has given his approval, that should be enough! You don’t have to like it, but you do have to accept it!
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“What therefore, will the Catholic Christian do if some members of the Church have broken away from the communion of the universal faith? What else, but prefer the sanity of the body universal to the pestilence of the corrupt member? What if a new contagion strives to infect not only a small part but the whole of the Church? Then, he will endeavor to adhere to the antiquity which is evidently beyond danger of being seduced by the decent of some novelty. What if in antiquity itself an error is detected, on the part of two or three men, or even on the part of a city or a province? Then, he will take care to prefer the decrees of a previous ecumenical council (if there was one) to the temerity and ignorance of a small group. Finally, what is such an error arises and nothing like a council can be found? Then, he will take pains to consult and interrogate the opinions of his predecssors, comparing them with (one another only as regards the opinions of those who, though they lived in various periods and at different places, nevertheless remained in the communion and faith of the One Catholic Church, and who therefore have become reliable authorities. As he will discover, he must also believe without hesistation whatever not only one or two but all equally and with one and the same consent, openly, frequently, and persisently have held, written and taught.” - St Prosper of Aquitaine (c.390 – c.455 AD), a Christian writer and disciple of Saint Augustine of Hippo.

Either something is universally holy for everyone always or it’s not.
Masses are not ment to be strikingly different or strange to people.
This kind of factionalism is a form of moral relativism.

“Blind obedience is not Catholic; nobody is exempt from responsibility for having obeyed man rather than God if he accepts orders from a higher authority, even the Pope, when these are contrary to the Will of God as it is known with certainty from Tradition. It is true that one cannot envisage such an eventuality when the papal infallibility is engaged; but this happens only in a limited number of cases. It is an error to think that every word uttered by the Pope is infallible” (Open Letter to Confused Catholics)"

One can compare the historical liturgies of the church as preserved in actual manuscripts and what we know of the actions that occur and they line up as being harmonious with each other.

That is the end of my commenting on this topic for this thread. I am done and said all I can say. Praise be to Jesus Christ.
 
Filii_Dei said:
That was before the Vatican clarified that no approval was given to their liturgy. You can see why they needed to explain that. :rolleyes:
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Dirt said:
Sure sounds like kiko heard more than i read on the press releases! I guess one hears what they wish! Hey Trad, did you see the news on Prince Of Peace in Taylors, SC? Regular TLM schedule! Approved by Bishop Gugliomone!
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Yes, I heard about that. I was really, really surprised. They could have gone on without the bishop’s approval, sure, but they sought it and got it! Unfortunately, that is upstate. I live in the Midlands, nowhere near an EF.
Oneofthewomen said:
You know, this kind of attitude really makes me sick!! :mad:
Nothing is happening to “your” Rite! :rolleyes:
No one is telling you that you must paticipate in NCW, if it’s not for you stay away!
The Holy Father has given his approval, that should be enough! You don’t have to like it, but you do have to accept it!
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I didn’t say “my.” I said “our.” Everything is happening to our Rite, all at once it seems nowadays. Also, I don’t have to accept anything, because approval for their masses was not got, at least not any approval past what they received in 2008.
Annabelle_Marie said:
But the Holy Father warned about the liturgy and the need for NCW to not remove themselves from parish life.

That is my biggest concern…they sound devisive and that is really troubling. As well as the secrecy about it…even here no one really knows how they showed up at our parish.
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I don’t agree with you much, but I do agree with this.
 
Oneofthewomen said:
The Holy Father has given his approval, that should be enough! You don’t have to like it, but you do have to accept it!
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And in the future Rome can just as easily withdraw that approval. Besides, the Holy Father is not infallible in these matters. Rome may have a lack of knowledge of actual practises and beliefs.

It’d be like a monastery that lives a 1962 liturgical life and is canonically erected in the diocese, had been praised in so-a-so a statement by the Pope… all the time teaching in their catechism classes they run at the parish the bishop gave them that the Holy Ghost will become Incarnate in the future and that Satan isn’t all that bad, he’s Jesus’s brother…

But better not say anything! They have approval.
 
Chris_McAvoy said:
“What therefore, will the Catholic Christian do if some members of the Church have broken away from the communion of the universal faith? What else, but prefer the sanity of the body universal to the pestilence of the corrupt member? What if a new contagion strives to infect not only a small part but the whole of the Church? Then, he will endeavor to adhere to the antiquity which is evidently beyond danger of being seduced by the decent of some novelty. What if in antiquity itself an error is detected, on the part of two or three men, or even on the part of a city or a province? Then, he will take care to prefer the decrees of a previous ecumenical council (if there was one) to the temerity and ignorance of a small group. Finally, what is such an error arises and nothing like a council can be found? Then, he will take pains to consult and interrogate the opinions of his predecssors, comparing them with (one another only as regards the opinions of those who, though they lived in various periods and at different places, nevertheless remained in the communion and faith of the One Catholic Church, and who therefore have become reliable authorities. As he will discover, he must also believe without hesistation whatever not only one or two but all equally and with one and the same consent, openly, frequently, and persisently have held, written and taught.” - St Prosper of Aquitaine (c.390 – c.455 AD), a Christian writer and disciple of Saint Augustine of Hippo.

Either something is universally holy for everyone always or it’s not.
Masses are not ment to be strikingly different or strange to people.
This kind of factionalism is a form of moral relativism.

“Blind obedience is not Catholic; nobody is exempt from responsibility for having obeyed man rather than God if he accepts orders from a higher authority, even the Pope, when these are contrary to the Will of God as it is known with certainty from Tradition. It is true that one cannot envisage such an eventuality when the papal infallibility is engaged; but this happens only in a limited number of cases. It is an error to think that every word uttered by the Pope is infallible” (Open Letter to Confused Catholics)"

One can compare the historical liturgies of the church as preserved in actual manuscripts and what we know of the actions that occur and they line up as being harmonious with each other.

That is the end of my commenting on this topic for this thread. I am done and said all I can say. Praise be to Jesus Christ.
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Thank you for coming “out” and admitting de facto that you DO believe that the organic growth of The Church ceased with Constantine. This is at the heart of kiko-mania and that ideology was approbated by H.H. Pope Pius XII here:
papalencyclicals.net/Pius12/P12HUMAN.HTM
This is nothing more than protestant reformation-ism. It is not rooted in the Teachings of Holy Mother Church and it will wind up on the same ash heap as nestorianism, Arianism and all the other isms that have attempted to subvert the True Church! I pray that you will read Humani Generis, and that The Holy Spirit will open your eyes to the truth of what kiko arguello and carmen hernandez are doing. Satan divides, Jesus Christ unites!
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
But the Holy Father warned about the liturgy and the need for NCW’ to not remove themselves from parish life.

That is my biggest concern…they sound devisive and that is really troubling. As well as the secrecy about it…even here no one really knows how they showed up at our parish.

I’m considering going to the first couple of meetings to ask a LOT of questions. Why would things be secretive if they are of God?
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Um, they just kind of showed up here on the North Coast also. Just a brief announcement in the bulletin or after Communion that the NCW folks from Seaside would be having a meeting here. I didn’t pay much attention, since we have had a fair amount of other weird sounding stuff here before. Guess it is time to have a talk with the padre.
 
I wanted to point out that the documents for the catechisis have had parallel citations added to them during the review process (note that the catechisis were available prior to the release of the CCC). Also they were either contacted by your pastor, a likey scenario, or then someone went to your pastor and spoke to him.

Also it doesnt seem quite fair to ask about the essence of the host once it has been transformed into christ. That is a question that even though defined is still difficult to understand without a philo/theological background.
 
Itari said:
I wanted to point out that the documents for the catechisis have had parallel citations added to them during the review process (note that the catechisis were available prior to the release of the CCC). Also they were either contacted by your pastor, a likey scenario, or then someone went to your pastor and spoke to him.

Also it doesnt seem quite fair to ask about the essence of the host once it has been transformed into christ. That is a question that even though defined is still difficult to understand without a philo/theological background.
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I highly doubt that our priest invited them. In fact no one can find out who did. A more likely scenario is one that they invited themselves and because they come from the parish across town…and Fr. And that priest are friends…he thought it was ok…which it may be…that’s what I’m trying to figure out. What concerns me is that other parish also has a centering prayer group started with principles from Fr. Keating…which is not ok…and leaves me to wonder about anything coming from it.
 
Another relief that nothing further liturgically-wise has been conceded:

catholicnewsagency.com/news/nothing-has-changed-with-papal-approval-explains-neocatechumenal-priest/
Father Ricardo Reyes Castillo, a member of the Neocatechumenal Way, said Pope Benedict XVI’s approval of the movement’s non-liturgical celebrations “has changed absolutely nothing.”
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The Panamanian priest told CNA on Jan. 23 that the papal approval of the celebrations contained in the Neocatechumenal Catechetical Directory means “simply that the Church has confirmed that the rites used in the different stages of formation in the Neocatechumenal Way are in accord with the tradition of the Church.”
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