Neo Catechumenal Way coming to our parish?

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He has been way too busy for anyone to have time…we have a parish of about 1,400 families…and one poor priest…the poor guy gets hardly any rest.
You have now pointed out in numerous posts that your priest is SO VERY busy, if that is the case, is it not possible that he acctually has invited them to help him in catechizing the parishoners since he is too busy to take care of them or even for you to even ask him about the subject?

If he has not even time to answer that question i wonder how will he be able to pastor a whole parish?

Seems like he is in urgent need for some help. Maybe thats where the NCW comes into the picture.
 
So, Annabelle Marie,

Since you began this thread asking for some personal experiences regarding the Neocatechumenal Way, because you heard it was beginning in your parish, something was published on a blog. Even though it is in reference to another article regarding this recent approval earlier this month and does not directly address your question, it does have the personal experience of a priest, so you might be interested in reading it:
praytellblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ODonoghue-response.pdf
 
So, Annabelle Marie,

Since you began this thread asking for some personal experiences regarding the Neocatechumenal Way, because you heard it was beginning in your parish, something was published on a blog. Even though it is in reference to another article regarding this recent approval earlier this month and does not directly address your question, it does have the personal experience of a priest, so you might be interested in reading it:
praytellblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ODonoghue-response.pdf
Thank you very much for sharing this link! 😃

This quote, I think, is one of the best things I have ever read!!
What binds the Catholic Church together is not uniformity in
liturgical practice, but unity in belief and faith in communion with the Successor of Peter. 👍
 
You have now pointed out in numerous posts that your priest is SO VERY busy, if that is the case, is it not possible that he acctually has invited them to help him in catechizing the parishoners since he is too busy to take care of them or even for you to even ask him about the subject?

If he has not even time to answer that question i wonder how will he be able to pastor a whole parish?

Seems like he is in urgent need for some help. Maybe thats where the NCW comes into the picture.
could be…I’m not ruling it out…I’m just saying that I don’t think we can ALWAYS say that is the case. I actually haven’t asked him because I know he has been busy and I’ve been suffering from an injury. I did email my cousin and ask him about them because he goes to their parish…he put my mind at ease somewhat…

Whatever the case…from hearing them talk at Mass…they sound like the Jesus freaks from my Protestant days…so not for me at all! As long as they don’t put a wedge in the parish…and someone has 4 hours a week to devote to them…whatever:shrug:

I was a little bit offended by their pitch…“do you want to find Jesus…” Like what…we as Catholics don’t find him at Mass?
 
So, Annabelle Marie,

Since you began this thread asking for some personal experiences regarding the Neocatechumenal Way, because you heard it was beginning in your parish, something was published on a blog. Even though it is in reference to another article regarding this recent approval earlier this month and does not directly address your question, it does have the personal experience of a priest, so you might be interested in reading it:
praytellblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ODonoghue-response.pdf
Thanks…that was helpful.

Like I said…I don’t think it’s for me…I just want to ensure that it has Orthodox teaching in it.
 
You have now pointed out in numerous posts that your priest is SO VERY busy, if that is the case, is it not possible that he acctually has invited them to help him in catechizing the parishoners since he is too busy to take care of them or even for you to even ask him about the subject?

If he has not even time to answer that question i wonder how will he be able to pastor a whole parish?

Seems like he is in urgent need for some help. Maybe thats where the NCW comes into the picture.
It is I who have not asked him yet. But we currently have faith formation classes running…he taught two of them and then an apologist is teaching the others. Catholics can come home class-that he speaks at several times…as well as an RCIA class that he speaks at. So we do have a lot of catechisis going on already.

Maybe it is for some people…not for me…
 
So, Annabelle Marie,

Since you began this thread asking for some personal experiences regarding the Neocatechumenal Way, because you heard it was beginning in your parish, something was published on a blog. Even though it is in reference to another article regarding this recent approval earlier this month and does not directly address your question, it does have the personal experience of a priest, so you might be interested in reading it:
praytellblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ODonoghue-response.pdf
I had never seen this before now. It is a good read.
I was a little bit offended by their pitch…“do you want to find Jesus…” Like what…we as Catholics don’t find him at Mass?
I think i can understand what they mean by this. Yes as catholics we believe that it is christ in the host, but if you don’t have deep faith then it is understandable that all one sees is what they see, ie. the host not christ. The presence is not something natural that can just be seen and observed, unless you are privy to a miracle, for all it requires teaching and faith. So while Christ is truly present in the host, unless you have the eyes to see it then it does not matter one bit. (I am not speaking of the workings of grace through the person by receiving the sacrament, but a conscious appreciation of christ in the host).

Then the question becomes how can you instill faith in one that has none? You can tell someone to pray for faith, but if you don’t believe that God can do something then you won’t really pray, the sacraments fall in the same boat (not including grace) you can receive and not particularly acknowledge the presence. To meet christ there is a need to begin at the most basic level, which is the real world in which we live in. With experiences, of people suffering finding peace, of people who have turned away from evil, people that are able to experience eternal life now, by living the gospel as the gospel says.

You say its not for you, and many will share your view that perhaps there is no need, and that is fine, many have a faith that will sustain them till the end. But anyone who does attend, with good faith will not go unrewarded. If there is something that i have learned to appreciate is that everything that is given up will be repaid on earth, even if its just time.
 
It has been published a while ago, an op-ed piece in the La Razón, Spanish newspaper, but never in English. I wonder why. Anyway, here it is:

A Breath of Fresh Air
by Cardinal Antonio Cañizares
January 21, 2012
On Friday morning in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI granted an audience to thousands of members of the Neocatechumenal Way. This was truly a joy–‐filled meeting, like as breath of fresh air in a time of drought. Only faith that is lived in a deep ecclesial communion could produce such an experience that was both gratifying and stimulating. At this meeting the decree of approval of the celebrations of the Neocatechumenal Way contained in the “Catechetical Directory” was read; many priests and families, who left everything, were sent in mission to difficult places to announce the Gospel. The Pope, with an unflagging and great joy, spoke to them of the meaning of the meeting, of their mission, of the following of Christ, of the true meaning and the spirit of the liturgy and, finally, he blessed the families and priests going on mission, as well as all the members, responsibles, catechists and initiators of the Way – Kiko and Carmen. There was a special expectedness in the meeting: the much desired approval of the non–‐ liturgical celebrations, that mark the different steps of the Way of Christian initiation.
Undoubtedly the Neocatechumenal Way is one of those new ecclesial realities that are urgently needed and very necessary, that have arisen in the wake of the Second Vatican Council to foster the new evangelization of our world and to renew Christian initiation. In my estimation it is one of the most noteworthy and widespread initiatives, raised up by the Holy Spirit in the Church, which best responds both to the nature and demands of Christian Initiation and to the urgent and pressing need to renew, promote and strengthen, with vigor and identity, a new pastoral work of this Christian initiation, both for those coming from paganism and for those who are already baptized but insufficiently initiated, taking care of all those elements which, in their entirety, integrate a true Christian initiation of a catechumenal character, in conformity with the orientations and directives coming from the Church in the Second Vatican Council, an in the magisterium and later instructions from the Church.
In the center of the Neocatechumenal Way a certain conviction can be seen that the catechumenate belongs to the very womb of baptism, albeit before or after its reception: it is a way to live in conformity with everything that is signified and contained in the sacrament of Baptism.
Soul and strength
The Word of God, the Eucharist, Baptism (either already received or still to be received), and the Christian community are the very nucleus of this itinerary of faith, that is accompanied by celebrations which are not strictly liturgical in each one of its steps or passages. The dominical Eucharist, habitually anticipated on Saturday evening in the neocatechumenal communities is like “the soul and the strength” of the whole Way. The celebration of the Eucharist, in the interior of the itinerary proper to these communities, is carried out in a very dignified and beautiful manner, with a great sense of faith, with an ecclesial spirit that is both festive and liturgical, with a deep “sense of mystery and the sacred.” The Word of God and the Eucharist signal the priority of God, the initiative of God and constitute the foundation and the source that give life, nourishment and strength to the communities, they capacitate, strengthen and free them to bear witness and to evangelize.
We must truly give thanks to God for this gift that enriches the Church, which has arisen in Spain, but is now of such a great and fruitful influence throughout the whole world.
Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Prefect of the Congregation of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments
Translated from
larazon.es/noticia/2533-un-aire-fresco-por-cardenal-antonio-canizares
 
But the Holy Father warned about the liturgy
You used the word “warned”. The Holy Father didn’t say “I am warning you”, neither did he make a facial expression that would lead one to believe he was warning. His actual words on the liturgy are very positive (if you care to read them, or watch him say his homily [you can see it on Youtube]). The Holy See has always praised the liturgy celebrated in the NCW.
By the way, mentioning liturgy, here is what Card. Cañizares, the prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of Sacraments said:
The celebration of the Eucharist, in the interior of the itinerary proper to these communities, is carried out in a very dignified and beautiful manner, with a great sense of faith, with an ecclesial spirit that is both festive and liturgical, with a deep “sense of mystery and the sacred.”
Since it appeared only in Spanish, I posted the whole article in English, if you want to read it.
 
You used the word “warned”. The Holy Father didn’t say “I am warning you”, neither did he make a facial expression that would lead one to believe he was warning. His actual words on the liturgy are very positive (if you care to read them, or watch him say his homily [you can see it on Youtube]). The Holy See has always praised the liturgy celebrated in the NCW.
By the way, mentioning liturgy, here is what Card. Cañizares, the prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of Sacraments said:

Since it appeared only in Spanish, I posted the whole article in English, if you want to read it.
Thanks…but no thanks…don’t know how it is with other parishes…but this one doesn’t seem to be all that great…blah…so I’m not going…
 
AnnaBelle Marie: What do you mean by “coming to your parish”? Do they go around giving presentations? Where do they stay? Don’t they need to be invited by the parish?
Are they recruiting members? Sorry for so many questions.
 
I live in Japan, in a parish that has “the Way”. We are a small parish and Christians make up less than 1% or the Japanese population. They have caused no end of problems and split our already small parish into to factions that have come to hate each other.

They brought in missionary families, mostly Spanish and Italian. At first most parishes in Takamatsu welcomed its members enthusiastically. We were glad to have new families with so many children and teenagers. They brought new life to our parish.

However, as this group’s people came into the local churches, some people began to feel uncomfortable, especially in matters of liturgy.
One main problem was that priests affiliated with the Way made changes to the altars and chapels of the churches they took charge of, to the shock of parishioners who wanted to preserve the traditions of the Church. These changes included: only using paintings and crosses designed by the leaders of the Way, Exposition and Benediction were gradually scaled back till we had none at all, Saturday night Mass was not advertised anywhere and was held in the church hall rather than the church. When non-members tried to attend this Mass, they were turned away. As a result, people sometimes had to miss Sunday Mass because they had to work on Sundays.

A few years back, they were told they had to attend Sunday Mass with all members of the parish and this led to even more problems. They started to take over and then exclude non-members from all active roles such as doing the readings, singing in the choir, flower arranging etx. Sometimes this was taken to the extreme. For example, every year we have an “International Mass” with hymns and readings in languages spoken by members of the parish. The languages include Japanese, English, Italian, Spanish, Filipino/Tagalog, to name just a few. At the international Mass 2 years ago, an Italian lady read one of the readings in English. She doesn’t speak English and her pronunciation was impossible to understand. There are several native English speakers as well as Japanese people and filipinos who speak fluent English. They are not members of “The Way” so were excluded from doing the readings.

The bishop and non-member priests had lost control of the parish at this stage and members openly defied them.

The situation gradually got worse and worse and eventually caused widespread disorder when the Way founded a seminary it called the “Takamatsu Diocese Seminary" (Takamatsu Diocesan International Redemptoris Mater Seminary).
Initial objections that the new seminary had been founded without fulfilling certain legal prerequisites escalated into a barrage of voices denouncing the bishop for authorizing its establishment.
With each passing year, multiple new priests affiliated with the Way emerged from this seminary, and the discord in the diocese grew more severe.

With intervention from other bishops and the Archbishop, things are slowly improving and the seminary has closed. We have a new bishop who is working hard to regain unity in our parish.

If you google The Neocatechumenal Way Takamatsu, you will find numerous articles describing what has happened and is still happening here.

Gearoidin
 
Thanks…but no thanks…don’t know how it is with other parishes…but this one doesn’t seem to be all that great…blah…so I’m not going…
Well, yes. No one said you have to like it. It should be sufficient cause for rejoicing that there are others who like it and it helps them become Christians.
I just wanted to make the point that the Pope didn’t really “warn” about liturgy. What the Pope said is plain and written down; anyone can read it.
 
AnnaBelle Marie: What do you mean by “coming to your parish”? Do they go around giving presentations? Where do they stay? Don’t they need to be invited by the parish?
Are they recruiting members? Sorry for so many questions.
I presume she doesn’t really know the answers to your questions. That is exactly why she posted this thread.

I can answer you: the Neocatechumenal Way is an instrument at the disposal of the Bishop and the pastors to be implemented in parishes (that’s where “they” stay). Of course, no pastor can implement a tool against his own will (hence, they need to be invited). And yes, the implementation begins with a series of catechesis (which you may want to call presentations). To the catechesis usually everyone is invited, and those who want may attend. At no point are they asked to make a commitment, so they are free to stop attending at any moment. (If that is what you mean by recruiting, then yes.)
 
Well, yes. No one said you have to like it. It should be sufficient cause for rejoicing that there are others who like it and it helps them become Christians.
I just wanted to make the point that the Pope didn’t really “warn” about liturgy. What the Pope said is plain and written down; anyone can read it.
Right now they have no litergy as they have no priest with them. I would be concerned if they did because from all accounts from people I know that went to see…some of what they are saying is really NOT Catholic.
 
Well, yes. No one said you have to like it. It should be sufficient cause for rejoicing that there are others who like it and it helps them become Christians.
I just wanted to make the point that the Pope didn’t really “warn” about liturgy. What the Pope said is plain and written down; anyone can read it.
If what they are saying…and it sounds like that is what they are saying…is NOT Catholic…then no…I don’t have to rejoice for others who like it because it is leading them down the wrong path…
 
If what they are saying…and it sounds like that is what they are saying…is NOT Catholic…then no…I don’t have to rejoice for others who like it because it is leading them down the wrong path…
What they are saying has been scrutinized studied and APPROVED by the Holy See. So for you to say it is not Catholic makes me wonder which Catholic Church you’re talking about. I know only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and the NCW leads many people there and not “down the wrong path”.
And that is cause for rejoicing, yes. Do you HAVE TO rejoice? Absolutely not. Even though it would make us feel like children on the market place who play the flute (if you understand what I mean).
 
What they are saying has been scrutinized studied and APPROVED by the Holy See. So for you to say it is not Catholic makes me wonder which Catholic Church you’re talking about. I know only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and the NCW leads many people there and not “down the wrong path”.
And that is cause for rejoicing, yes. Do you HAVE TO rejoice? Absolutely not. Even though it would make us feel like children on the market place who play the flute (if you understand what I mean).
Something may have been approved by the Holy See…is that exactly what they are saying…who knows:shrug: I highly doubt it because our RCIA instructor who went was not happy… So yes…like many other things…things said outside of that can lead people down the wrong path and not be Catholic…if they are not teaching what was approved… It sounds like the group at our parish is a little Barney type Catholic…you know…the big purple dinasor… This group seems like it is ripe for abuse…IMHO. Surely you would not rejoice for the previous poster who had then split their parish apart and take over…🤷
 
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