Neocatechumenal way Eucharist

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Good morning all. I’ve been invited on Saturday evening to the Eucharist by a group of the neocatechumenal way missionaries. What are your opinions about this group? Is the Eucharist within them as sacramentaly valid as any Eucharistic celebration in any other “standard” catholic parish? Why then on Saturday evening and not on Sunday like the rest of us? I is ok if I take Eucharist with the neocats on Saturday and the next day I take it again on Sunday’s mass at my local parish?
Thank you, God bless you and sorry for my bad english.
 
Good morning all. I’ve been invited on Saturday evening to the Eucharist by a group of the neocatechumenal way missionaries. What are your opinions about this group? Is the Eucharist within them as sacramentaly valid as any Eucharistic celebration in any other “standard” catholic parish? Why then on Saturday evening and not on Sunday like the rest of us? I is ok if I take Eucharist with the neocats on Saturday and the next day I take it again on Sunday’s mass at my local parish?
Thank you, God bless you and sorry for my bad english.
Yes, it’s valid. It’s most likely Saturday night for scheduling reasons. Remember, Sunday mass can be celebrated Saturday evening.

However, please note: it will be very different from what you are used to. It is essentially a different rite (though they don’t typically refer to it as a different Rite.)
 
  1. There have been people on this forum who have found The Way beneficial to their spiritual life. I myself have decided it is not for me, but I think each person should decide for themselves so I will leave it at that.
  2. Their Eucharist is valid.
  3. It is not unusual to have a Saturday vigil Mass happening late Saturday afternoon or evening (usually any time from about 3 pm onwards) to cover the Sunday obligation. This is common practice in USA. I further understand The Way has an approved special format for their Masses, so that explains why they attend a Mass different from the normal Sunday Masses.
  4. Yes, you can receive Eucharist at The Way Mass on Saturday, and again at regular Mass on Sunday.
    Saturday and Sunday are two different calendar days. As has been discussed before, if you are Catholic in a state of grace, you are permitted to receive Eucharist twice on each calendar day as long as the second reception is at a Mass in which you participate.
    Here you are only receiving once per calendar day, and both times are at Mass, so you are well within the limits.
 
I’ve just been to my first neocatechumenal mission meeting
It is very apostolic, giving up the world and following Jesus

The lady speaker was well dressed with a glittery blouse, which was perhaps a little incongruous given the exhortation to give up worldly things

The talk was wonderful. Challenging, if a bit too emotional
 
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Is the Eucharist within them as sacramentaly valid as any Eucharistic celebration in any other “standard” catholic parish?
Yes… usually. Nowadays, almost all Neocat masses are valid. I say ‘almost all’ because every once in a while, there crops up a reenactment of an old attempt within the Neocat Way for a different liturgy (circa 70s-80s). This new liturgy was in no way approved by the Vatican and was firmly opposed.

Generally, if you can recognize the Neocat mass as an actual Mass, then it is valid. The self-created liturgy was closed to outsiders. It had no altar, but rather long tables erected in a circle. There would be multiple readings outside of the prescribed lectionary and homilies or reflections would be given by laity. The priest would consecrate the Eucharist sitting at the table using a self-made and in some cases invalid (didn’t have the words "this is my body… this is my blood’) Eucharistic prayer. There were some instances (according to priests outside of our Order who had witnessed it) where the laity was asked to consecrate the Eucharist with the priest.

Some people say that this is just rumor and slander, however our Order has a function hall which we used to rent out to groups for masses and retreats (the Neocat Way among them) and we found evidence of these types of services when cleaning up after them. All of the paintings, the tabernacle, altar and chairs were removed from our chapel and instead the tables had been set up. Brothers who were doing some cleaning in the kitchen next to the Chapel heard parts of this service, so we do know that it does happen. This was about seven years ago, a little while before we stopped allowing the Neocat groups to rent our chapel for this very purpose.

Now, let me stress again, this is very rare nowadays. I will not deny that the Neocat Way does good missionary work. There is no doubt in my mind that they do. It is just that coming from an Order which is centered around the Eucharist, these practices (and others with regards to the Neocat interactions with the various dioceses) have made me realize that the Neocat Way is not for me.

Now, this is just with regards to the clerical arm of the Neocat Way. Every interaction I have had with the laity of the Neocat Way has been wonderful.
Why then on Saturday evening and not on Sunday like the rest of us? I is ok if I take Eucharist with the neocats on Saturday and the next day I take it again on Sunday’s mass at my local parish?
The Mass on Saturday night is called the Vigil. It is considered part of the Sunday Liturgy. Sunday, for the Church, begins at either sundown on Saturday or between 4-5pm for some dioceses to account for the later sunset in summer. It is perfectly valid for Sunday obligation if it is the Sunday liturgy. Special masses done with a special set of readings (weddings, funerals, Masses of the Holy Spirit) do not count for the Sunday obligation unless there is a special dispensation by the Bishop.

Hope this helped,
Br. Ben, CRM
 
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“The lady speaker”? What do you mean by that? I’ve actually never been to one of their masses.
 
. Special masses done with a special set of readings (weddings, funerals, Masses of the Holy Spirit) do not count for the Sunday obligation unless there is a special dispensation by the Bishop.

Hope this helped,
Br. Ben, CRM (quote)

This has been discussed many times before. Canon Law states that ANY Mass on the Saturday after a certain time ‘counts’ for Sunday - weddings, ordinations, any Mass. The readings don’t matter. They don’t have to be the Sunday readings.
 
With regards to the basic Canon Law, yes. However every Bishop, Archbishop, and diocese I have lived in and/or executed ministry within made this distinction. They are given the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial authority with regards to Canon Law within their diocese. Canon Law states that any Mass on Saturday may fulfill the Sunday obligation. It does not say that it does fulfill that obligation. The specific execution of the degree to which that canon is enforced within the diocese falls to the Ordinary.
 
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With regards to the basic Canon Law, yes. However every Bishop, Archbishop, and diocese I have lived in and/or executed ministry within made this distinction. They are given the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial authority with regards to Canon Law within their diocese. Canon Law states that any Mass on Saturday may fulfill the Sunday obligation. It does not say that it does fulfill that obligation. The specific execution of the degree to which that canon is enforced within the diocese falls to the Ordinary.
Please see Canon Law 1248, para. 1.

There is no ‘may fulfil’ in there. It clearly says a person 'fulfils the obligation if they assist at any Mass. No hint of difference between dioceses. Are you perhaps thinking of how a Bishop can specify the earliest hour at which the anticipated **Sunday Mass is said?
 
I apologize I was misinformed with regard to that particular point.
Can. 1248 §1. A person who assists at a Mass celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the feast day itself or in the evening of the preceding day satisfies the obligation of participating in the Mass.
However, upon reading the actual canon, there arises other issues. It specifically says ‘evening’ of the day before. Thus it must be after a specific time, not simply any mass on Saturday. It also raises a question as it specifically mentions ‘feast day’ instead of Sunday obligation. The specific link between the mass and the ‘feast day’ is an inherently liturgical in nature. If you aren’t celebrating the liturgy for the feast, you aren’t celebrating the Mass on that specific feast day. If two saints have their feast day on the same date. Celebrating the liturgy of one Saint does not mean you are celebrating mass on the Feast Day for the other.

Add to that that this canon is specifically about people serving at a mass of a feast day of obligation, not what the liturgical requirements are for fulfilling that obligation, it raises the issue why Bishops need to set specific guidelines.
 
Speaking of that movement, how has that movement been doing? Are they growing?

By the way, Happy Cake Day! to @CRM_Brother
 
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