Never Forget

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Kaleb Kroger:
Why is it that this is so important to remember?
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Huh?

Well, for one, those who don’t know their past are condemned to repeat it.

Second, we owe it to the victims to confront this evil.

There are a million more reasons to remember. I won’t insult your intelligence by saying you can’t think of any. I just can’t for the life of me figure out why you would imply remembering isn’t important.
 
I’m not implying that isn’t important per se, I’m just curious why we don’t put this amount of emphasis on other tragedies.

Why don’t we remember the thousands of people that died yesterday because they didn’t have a piece of bread?

Why don’t we remember the 500,000 that died in South Africa in 2001 because of AIDS?

Why don’t we remember the 250,000 people that died in China in 1976 because of an earthquake?

Why don’t we remember the thousands of Iraqis killed by our bombs in Iraq?

Why don’t we remember the 937,000 dead Rwandans?

What do all the victims have in common? They’re all innocent.
 
Kaleb Kroger:
I’m not implying that isn’t important per se, I’m just curious why we don’t put this amount of emphasis on other tragedies. .
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It is a way for us to focus on a job we have to do. What is at stake here is not only our way of life but Christendom. At least Christendom as any sort of influential way of life and not beholding to Islamacist fascist government rule.
 
Kaleb Kroger:
I’m not implying that isn’t important per se, I’m just curious why we don’t put this amount of emphasis on other tragedies.

Why don’t we remember the thousands of people that died yesterday because they didn’t have a piece of bread?

Why don’t we remember the 500,000 that died in South Africa in 2001 because of AIDS?

Why don’t we remember the 250,000 people that died in China in 1976 because of an earthquake?

Why don’t we remember the thousands of Iraqis killed by our bombs in Iraq?

Why don’t we remember the 937,000 dead Rwandans?

What do all the victims have in common? They’re all innocent.
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Oops, you forgot to mention all our soldiers that died at the hands of terrorist/insurgents. I am sure it was just an oversight.
 
You’re free to add them to the list. I value their life just as much as anyone else on this earth.
 
Kaleb Kroger:
You’re free to add them to the list. I value their life just as much as anyone else on this earth.
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Yet, why did you forget them?
 
Kaleb Kroger:
I’m not implying that isn’t important per se, I’m just curious why we don’t put this amount of emphasis on other tragedies.
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Fair enough. Two answers though. 1) we should emphasize tragedies. and 2) just because you under emphasize one tragedy doesn’t mean you should under emphasize another.
Kaleb Kroger:
Why don’t we remember the thousands of people that died yesterday because they didn’t have a piece of bread?
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We should. They weren’t murdered, so it is not on the same level as 9/11 or the holocaust. But we should work to feed the poor, and I do.
Kaleb Kroger:
Why don’t we remember the 500,000 that died in South Africa in 2001 because of AIDS?
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We should. Again, however, they weren’t murdered, so it isn’t the same. President Bush has significantly increased government resources to combat AIDS in Africa. But to compare disease to terrorism is not fair.
Kaleb Kroger:
Why don’t we remember the 250,000 people that died in China in 1976 because of an earthquake?
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This was tragic, but it wasn’t mass murder. When things like this, and Katrina, and the Tsunami happen, we should do our part. But you can’t compare an act of nature to mass murder.
Kaleb Kroger:
Why don’t we remember the thousands of Iraqis killed by our bombs in Iraq?
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We do, and we do our best to avoid accidentally killing civilians. Why don’t we remember the 1,000,000 Iraqi’s Saddam killed, the Kurdish children he gassed, the people dropped feet first in tree shredders, the people dipped alive in acid, the children who had their feet crushed or eyes gouged out to control their parents, etc. Unlike accidental deaths in war, these were intential murders, as was 9/11. There is a difference between accidental death and mass murder.
Kaleb Kroger:
Why don’t we remember the 937,000 dead Rwandans?
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This is your one example that is most comparable to 9/11. It is tragic, shameful, and without excuse. and tragically, America was a bystander when it could have saved hundreds of thousands of innocents. Ironically, President Clinton sat on his hands and did absolutely nothing while blacks were masacred in Rwanda–yet he is revered today as “our first African American President”-- a gester that, given his inaction in the face of black genocide, is nothing short of obscene.

We have no excuse for what happened in Rwanda. Even President Clinton admitted it was his biggest mistake as president.
Kaleb Kroger:
What do all the victims have in common? They’re all innocent.
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Yes, they are all innocent. Yet, of all your examples, only the Rwandans were murdered. And given how tragic that was to innocent victims, the lesson we should learn is to remember 9/11.
 
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gilliam:
What is at stake here is not only our way of life but Christendom. At least Christendom as any sort of influential way of life and not beholding to Islamacist fascist government rule.
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Christendom died a long time ago, gilliam. What was once Christendom now promotes secularism, consumerism, materialism and hedonism. The Catholic life faces a much greater threat from these isms promoted by our own governments than that posed by any Islamic rule.
 
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gnjsdad:
Christendom died a long time ago, gilliam. What was once Christendom now promotes secularism, consumerism, materialism and hedonism. The Catholic life faces a much greater threat from these isms promoted by our own governments than that posed by any Islamic rule.
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Fascist Islamisist rule is better than we have today? Hardly. We have freedom of worship now. And we have freedom of speech. Under Islamisists we would have what they have in Saudi Arabia, what they had in Afghanistan, and Fallujah. See what I mean by never forget?
 
Kaleb Kroger:
I’m not implying that isn’t important per se, I’m just curious why we don’t put this amount of emphasis on other tragedies.

Why don’t we remember the thousands of people that died yesterday because they didn’t have a piece of bread?

Why don’t we remember the 500,000 that died in South Africa in 2001 because of AIDS?

Why don’t we remember the 250,000 people that died in China in 1976 because of an earthquake?

Why don’t we remember the thousands of Iraqis killed by our bombs in Iraq?

Why don’t we remember the 937,000 dead Rwandans?

What do all the victims have in common? They’re all innocent.
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This is an awesome post.

As Catholics we need to remember that we are part of a universal Church, and citizens of the world. Secondarily we are Americans/Canadians/ Mexicans/British/Puerto Rican/ Kiwi/ Chinese/whatever. To place undue imphasis on one thing (even if it is a terrible thing such as 9/11) is to neglect our duty to promote life for all people.

Never forget- our economic decisions directly impact the lives of people abroad.

Never forget- ALL human life is valuable, not just American

Never forget- fighting bigotry starts right here at home

Never forget- to whom much is given, much is expected!

These are the things I chose to focus on, rather than a particular terrorist action…
 
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gilliam:
It is a way for us to focus on a job we have to do. What is at stake here is not only our way of life but Christendom. At least Christendom as any sort of influential way of life and not beholding to Islamacist fascist government rule.
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Right on, Gilliam.
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Steph700:
These are the things I chose to focus on, rather than a particular terrorist action…
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Then you *have *forgotten, it seems.
 
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Steph700:
To place undue imphasis on one thing (even if it is a terrible thing such as 9/11) is to neglect our duty to promote life for all people.
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Zero sum balance thinking … no no no no no
 
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Steph700:
This is an awesome post.

As Catholics we need to remember that we are part of a universal Church, and citizens of the world. Secondarily we are Americans/Canadians/ Mexicans/British/Puerto Rican/ Kiwi/ Chinese/whatever. To place undue imphasis on one thing (even if it is a terrible thing such as 9/11) is to neglect our duty to promote life for all people.

Never forget- our economic decisions directly impact the lives of people abroad.

Never forget- ALL human life is valuable, not just American

Never forget- fighting bigotry starts right here at home

Never forget- to whom much is given, much is expected!

These are the things I chose to focus on, rather than a particular terrorist action…
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Few, if any, would argue that we have responsibilities that extend past terrorist. However, unlike the tragedies of natural disaster and poverty, terrorism involved deliberate mass murder. And what’s more is that, while much of the terrorist movement has been destroyed or immobilized, there is still a significant portion out there who believe they have a religious duty to kill infidels (me, you, us, etc.). We have a duty to the fallen and a responsibility to the living to deal with terrorism.
 
We also have a responsibility to feed and clothe the poor.

And how exactly did Steph “forget” if she made reference to the event?
 
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gilliam:
Fascist Islamisist rule is better than we have today?
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I never said that.
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gilliam:
Under Islamisists we would have what they have in Saudi Arabia, what they had in Afghanistan, and Fallujah.
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The chances that we will ever be “under Islamisists” are just about zero.
 
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