"never known to fail" prayers

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BobCatholic said:
Then God has an obligation to provide me more information so I can make a better decision so I know what to pray for.

“No, you can’t have a job for 2 years. That’s because my plan for you is this…” If I have the obligation to trust, he has the obligation to provide information.

Faith is not blind, it helps us see. “Blind trust” is not trust.

Then he knows I can’t handle a cross and won’t impose it. But that’s not how he rolls.

If God said “no” then it did fail.

If God’s will can be changed, then God has changed and that says God not perfect. That’s a heresy.

My prayers for BIG THINGS failed. No healing for my little boy.

It is not selfish. It is accepting of God’s will. God said no, game over. I don’t have a choice but to accept.
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The answer could be Be Patient, Bob.

Changing Gods will does not mean God changes, it means His will for us potentially could (it probably first starts with a change within ourselves). If it doesnt its for another reason. Only God knows.

It seems you are still holding tight to God, which is good. Maybe thats what He wants? To draw you closer to Him? To keep your reliance on Him amd only Him.

Ill pray for you Bob. You seem like a very strong and persistent guy. im sure God is pleased with you, even though you may not think so.
 
CrimsonThorn said:
I just remembered something…

Watchig EWTN last week on a program about Purgatory, a priest stated that asking for the intercession of souls in purgatory NEVER fails.

Did anyone else see this amd how do you all feel about that statement?
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Correct. When you ask them to pray for you, they WILL pray for you. So the prayer for intercession works. This works for saints as well.

If you ask them to pray for you, they will. Thus your prayer of asking for intercession works, always and never fails.

Now if you’re asking for their intercession for [insert request here] and God says no, then their prayers will fail, even if your prayer for intercession works.
 
CrimsonThorn said:
Sure, Id think any suffering done for the sake of God counts towards purgation. Or it could count toward the conversion of others.

If the person is still alive for many years after their suffering, the process is not complete as we sin, even venially, all the time. Those must be washed away again. This is how I personally understand it.

St Padre Pio is another great example IMO. The man was seemingly perfected by the time of his death through all the suffering he undertook for the sake of God.
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This is one reason I don’t understand the Saint’s visions. I did 11 years of some pretty severely psychotic Dark Night, and the Lord healed me and opened my eyes. I just don’t see the need for there to be a heirarchy like she describes. I’m not saying her vision is not real; it was the vision the Holy Spirit needed her to see and write about. I suspect the reason it was heirarchal and kind of top-down privileges and merit and all, is that’s what made sense to the Saint – perhaps that’s how she views the Church and feels good having the same thing in Purgatory.

No reason to assume that her Purgatory vision either will or won’t come to bear in “actual” purgatory, if she goes even for a day. Also no reason to assume that anyone else’s actual Purgatory or purgation experience is going to be anything like her vision – or for that matter her actual experience. Perhaps, for example, having everything sorted and in order was suitable to the sensibilities of the saint and to her, that meant the job is done. Perhaps her soul was in good condition, and that came through the Spirit into her vision, as what she would consider a good heirarchy. I’d go get the quote but my wife is calling me so I’ll be baack.

Alan
 
BobCatholic said:
Correct. When you ask them to pray for you, they WILL pray for you. So the prayer for intercession works. This works for saints as well.

If you ask them to pray for you, they will. Thus your prayer of asking for intercession works, always and never fails.

Now if you’re asking for their intercession for [insert request here] and God says no, then their prayers will fail, even if your prayer for intercession works.
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Ahhhh thank you, makes perfect sense. It was I who misunderstood the father’s words, i was thinking WHAT you ask for through them would never fail.
 
BobCatholic said:
That’s why God’s will cannot change.
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What if God’s will for a person is say, to live a holy life as a single person. Say this person prays that God find him a good wife, and the single person finds a woman suitable to be called his wife and he marries her?

Was this not a change in God’s will?
 
CrimsonThorn said:
What if God’s will for a person is say, to live a holy life as a single person. Say this person prays that God find him a good wife, and the single person finds a woman suitable to be called his wife and he marries her?

Was this not a change in God’s will?
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God’s will does not change. If it did, that means God changes, and we need to convert to Mormonism. I reject that idea.

What does this mean for the person in the example you bring? I don’t know what God has in mind, I’m not his counselor.
 
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