New Age Practice?

[peace2u2]

Has anyone heard of Ayuryoga Holistic Healing Arts or Tesla Energy Lights? The word healing is thrown in there so I assume it has something to do with healing, but it sounds very New Age and I would like advice on how I evangelize someone who practices this?

My husband, thru his work. encounters many people who give him their business cards and he thinks these type of practices are ok.

If this thread belongs in evangelizing forum, feel free to move it for me.

Thanks,
Peace2u2

 

[robwar]

yes, they are. A good resource for you would be the Women of Grace web site. They have extensive resources and work on new age and would be a good reference for you.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Well I would avoid Women of Grace website. They’re factually flawed on various issues what they call new age, which actually are not.

Anyway, Ayuryoga Holistic Healing Arts is based on Ayurveda natural health, which comes from India and predates Christianity.

It has to do with creating good health at the quantum level of physiology through eating foods and activity which is conducive for your body type, Vata, Pitta and Kapha.

Dr Dupak Chopra sold Ayurvedic medicine years ago and my wife and myself followed it with zero results. You first take his little test to determine your body type. Once that’s learned, you then follow a diet and exercise routine which is conducive for your body type. Mine was Vata/Kapha.

Others would have to decide for themselves, but western medicine and health has everything you need to know. In fact, my wife’s asthma got worse trying to follow Ayurvedic principles and she became well following our doctor’s advice, i.e. Western Medicine.

Jim

 

[Bonnie]

Others would have to decide for themselves, but western medicine and health has everything you need to know.

Amen! It took me years to realize that a lot of the information put out by the “natural” health industry was wrong - some of it downright fraudulent. I saved a lot of money once I quit buying all those very expensive, useless supplements. And my health is better.

 

[Emese]

Unfortunately western medicine has its limitations and I think that’s why more and more people turn to alternative treatment methods. We are spiritual beings, we are not just body, so materialistic sciences don’t always work for us. Alternative healing methods are also based on similar principals and one has to find those that might work best for him/her. Just like there are many types of treatments in western medicine because one does not fit all, there are different types of energy healing methods too.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Eastern holistic medicine focuses on prevention, where Western medicine primarily focuses on treatment after the illness has taken root.

Both have begun to over lap each other and Western Medicine there is more focus today on preventative measures in living a healthy life-style, which is good.

However, not everything can be prevented, other wise, China and India would have the healthiest people on earth, which they do not.

Jim

 

[Emese]

Eastern holistic medicine focuses on prevention, where Western medicine primarily focuses on treatment after the illness has taken root.

Both have begun to over lap each other and Western Medicine there is more focus today on preventative measures in living a healthy life-style, which is good.

However, not everything can be prevented, other wise, China and India would have the healthiest people on earth, which they do not.

Jim

I agree that eastern and western medicine has started to overlap or complement each other, which I think is good. They both tend to work on preventing and treating illnesses though. I see more and more doctors recognizing this and learning alternative healing techniques as well.
It might just be a matter of time for alternative and conventional medicine to merge again.
I find it encouraging that some alternative healing methods are already permitted by the church, like acupuncture for example.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I agree that eastern and western medicine has started to overlap or complement each other, which I think is good. They both tend to work on preventing and treating illnesses though. I see more and more doctors recognizing this and learning alternative healing techniques as well.
It might just be a matter of time for alternative and conventional medicine to merge again.
I find it encouraging that some alternative healing methods are already permitted by the church, like acupuncture for example.

Agreed, but we need to be careful.

A few years back on PBS, I believe it was Frontline or Nova, one of those, there was a story about a Chinese immigrant to the US, who suffered from Asthma. He had been receiving conventional treatment from a doctor here in the states. However, he decided that he could do better back in China, under the care of an exert in Chinese medicine and herbology. So, he travels back to China and finds one of the best known experts and begins treatment.

Well, to make a long story short, he ends up in anaphylatic shock and becomes so sick, he’s rushed to an emergency center where a doctor in Western Medicine treats him. Problem is, he was too late and ends up dying.

I remember when they did a study of the teas that Dr Chopra was promoting on his web site. They found the teas contained feceses from rodents and body parts from insects.

So, buyer beware.

Jim

 

[Emese]

Agreed, but we need to be careful.

A few years back on PBS, I believe it was Frontline or Nova, one of those, there was a story about a Chinese immigrant to the US, who suffered from Asthma. He had been receiving conventional treatment from a doctor here in the states. However, he decided that he could do better back in China, under the care of an exert in Chinese medicine and herbology. So, he travels back to China and finds one of the best known experts and begins treatment.

Well, to make a long story short, he ends up in anaphylatic shock and becomes so sick, he’s rushed to an emergency center where a doctor in Western Medicine treats him. Problem is, he was too late and ends up dying.

I remember when they did a study of the teas that Dr Chopra was promoting on his web site. They found the teas contained feceses from rodents and body parts from insects.

So, buyer beware.

Jim

…there are cases to support both sides of the argument. Doctors also get it wrong…a lot…And the ingredients they put in western medicines are not much better either, some are even worse…I think one has to be cautious the same way whether he/she sees a medical doctor or an alternative health practitioner.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

…there are cases to support both sides of the argument. Doctors also get it wrong…a lot…And the ingredients they put in western medicines are not much better either, some are even worse…I think one has to be cautious the same way whether he/she sees a medical doctor or an alternative health practitioner.

How true. My wife’s former doctor, who happened to be her employer as well, nearly killed her with prednisone to treat her asthma. Not that prednisone is bad, but the dosage levels she was on for so long was.

However, it was her former doctor who cured her, via western medicine. Before that happened though, she sought to go to a western doctor who also practices herbology. But before she did, she talked with her former doctor. He said the problem with herb treatments is that it’s not controlled and not pure. In other words, the agent that you’re getting from the herb to treat the ailment, isn’t exact. Also, you’re getting other agents which could actually be harmful.

In all, know what and how you’re being treated, even with conventional western medicines.

Jim

 

[Emese]

How true. My wife’s former doctor, who happened to be her employer as well, nearly killed her with prednisone to treat her asthma. Not that prednisone is bad, but the dosage levels she was on for so long was.

However, it was her former doctor who cured her, via western medicine. Before that happened though, she sought to go to a western doctor who also practices herbology. But before she did, she talked with her former doctor. He said the problem with herb treatments is that it’s not controlled and not pure. In other words, the agent that you’re getting from the herb to treat the ailment, isn’t exact. Also, you’re getting other agents which could actually be harmful.

In all, know what and how you’re being treated, even with conventional western medicines.
.

Jim

Western medicine uses aborted children in vaccines and adult medicines…for example…So I’d rather have the “unclean” herbal pills…or alternative treatments (no medicines)…if I have the choice

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Emese:

Western medicine uses aborted children in vaccines and adult medicines…for example…So I’d rather have the “unclean” herbal pills…or alternative treatments (no medicines)…if I have the choice.

These are your words not mine. You included them with my post which makes it look like I stated it.

Also, the statement is false.

Of the many lies told by anti-vaccination advocates, this is one of the worst, because it hits on a real moral issue. However, anyone with a modicum of training in biology will tell you that it is impossible for vaccines (or any other injected medicine) to contain human tissue. The reason is simple: if you are injected with anything containing tissue from another person, your body will immediately recognize it as an invader and begin attacking it. This immune response is often quite radical and can easily lead to death! This is why blood from a donor to a recipient must be carefully matched before the recipient can receive it. Thus, there is no human tissue of any kind in vaccines. Unfortunately, the anti-vaccination movement (and even some naive pro- life groups) will try to convince the uninformed that vaccines contain tissue from aborted babies and that abortions must be continually done to supply this tissue to the “evil” drug companies. This is, of course, a bald-faced lie. Unfortunately, this lie is particularly evil, in that it targets a person’s morally correct view that abortion is murder.

drwile.com/lnkpages/render.asp?vac_abortion

Jim

 

[Emese]

These are your words not mine. You included them with my post which makes it look like I stated it.

Jim

By accident. I’m sorry. And I managed to correct, pls see below.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

By accident. I’m sorry. And I managed to correct, pls see below.

OK

Thanks
Jim

 

[Emese]

Is that so?
vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/aborted-fetal-cells-in-vaccines/

I know there’s a lot on the net …but to me it would make sense biologically to use human cells as a human virus needs human cells to live off, so I think they must use these to at least harvest these viruses…also if you are injected with a very small quantity of foreign cells, like you do in a vaccine for example, than you don’t get an adverse reaction, so the argument of your article fails on this point.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Is that so?
vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/aborted-fetal-cells-in-vaccines/

I know there’s a lot on the net …but to me it would make sense biologically to use human cells as a human virus needs human cells to live off, so I think they must use these to at least harvest these viruses…also if you are injected with a very small quantity of foreign cells, like you do in a vaccine for example, than you don’t get an adverse reaction, so the argument of your article fails on this point.

As the Dr states in the article I posted, it’s not possible to use human tissue in another human being without matching, otherwise the recipients body will rejected it.

The idea of aborted fetuses being used to manufacture vaccines has been debunked for years now. I’m surprised people are still pushing the misinformation.

Jim

 

[Emese]

As the Dr states in the article I posted, it’s not possible to use human tissue in another human being without matching, otherwise the recipients body will rejected it.

The idea of aborted fetuses being used to manufacture vaccines has been debunked for years now. I’m surprised people are still pushing the misinformation.

Jim

If you cut yourself for example and somebody else’s blood or tissuecell gets in your wound you don’t get a reaction, and you certainly don’t die. You may catch a disease from that person, but that’s about it. This happens all the time. STDs, sharing needles, etc. however, if you get the wrong blood transfusion (large quantities of blood) than you might die. Therefore it must be possible to use human tissue in another human being (in small quantities).

Misinformation? As far as I can see doctors and scientists don’t agree, or they don’t relay the same information.
I’m not saying western medicine is “evil”, it is not. But profitorientated, yes, and it is not founded on christian values.

 

[robwar]

Well I would avoid Women of Grace website. They’re factually flawed on various issues what they call new age, which actually are not.

Jim

Women of Grace web site IS a great resource for Catholics. They are true to Church teaching and use experts and former New agers for their resources. They have done a lot of work in the area of the New Age and its many branches and forms.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Women of Grace web site IS a great resource for Catholics. They are true to Church teaching and use experts and former New agers for their resources. They have done a lot of work in the area of the New Age and its many branches and forms.

Women of Grace is a personal blog which does not officially speak for the Catholic Church.

Their views on various issues are not Catholic teaching, but personal opinion.

Sorry, but people need to be informed about personal blog sites and official Church teaching the two are not always the same, although the blogger’s think they are.

Jim

 

[robwar]

Women of Grace is a personal blog which does not officially speak for the Catholic Church.

Their views on various issues are not Catholic teaching, but personal opinion.

Sorry, but people need to be informed about personal blog sites and official Church teaching the two are not always the same, although the blogger’s think they are.

Jim

That is your opinion. She is on EWTN and does have a number of priest advisors that work with her. Sorry, but she isn’t any more a “private” blog site than Catholic Answers is. I don’t think if Women of Grace was “doing” its own thing, they would be on EWTN and all the rest.
You have not given any proof of where she is off or inaccurate and the site has been a major resource and done research on the New Age.