New age

[suko]

Vegetarianism seem even to be anti-Catholic. What are your thoughts on this topic?

I agree with the others in that it’s not anti-Catholic, and that eating meat is a personal choice.

New Agers, I think, sometimes can turn something that’s either neutral or good, and twist it into something evil or corrupt. Vegetarianism might be one of those things.

For those not aware, the Vatican released a document on the New Age here: vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html ~ It’s a good read!

 

[edwest2]

Good Morning Ed: You had said that there were “New Age” sects that teach that the “devil is your God.” Do the people you listed above teach that their God or anyone’s God is the devil? The reason I am interested is that I’ve never heard that.

Thank you,
Gary

To break it down.

1. You are God.
2. There is an end for you. An ultimate teacher/source, which is a false Christ, satan, the anti-Christ.
3. His followers will usually not identify the person as satan but that’s who it is. Others will openly admit it, believing that satan is either who the Bible says he is or not as the Bible describes him.

The New Age can be summed up this way:

“Do not, however, expect a devoted New Ager to admit that his ‘Christ’ is the Antichrist. That would be considered negative thinking, even impossible, for many in the New Age Religion deny that any one man will come as the Antichrist. They do not foresee the coming of evil into the world, but only of good.”

“’ There is no such thing as the devil or a fallen angel leading the forces of evil. Man alone is responsible for the present discord in the world.’”

“At … we acknowledge the World Teacher who appeared as Jesus the Christ, also known variously as the Lord Maitreya, and the Bodhisattva, as well as of other appearances through such personalities as Melchizedek, Krishna, and Mithra.”

And when they die, “… that at death we are reincarnated into other worlds – that is, other planes of existence…”

Those who do not worship the one True God end up worshipping the anti-Christ, knowingly and unknowingly, and even denying that the devil exists.

So if you’re picturing a church of Satan, it exists, but the New Age couches itself in the glory of man and each of us recognizing his or her godhood/divinity that will lead all mankind into a bright and shining New World Order and One World Religion.

That’s the best I can do. I’d rather keep it at this level in order to avoid others developing a curiosity about what can be described as cults more often than a church or religion. These people can meet anywhere and can move from place to place.

I will not name the group but I witnessed the following: A prayer collector/generator was placed in the front of a room. It collected the chants/prayers of the group. It would then be passed on to good “aliens” who would release the collected energy to thwart the actions of evil aliens on earth. This was not a stunt. They also sold tapes of Jesus speaking.

This is not a simple situation. It comes in many forms and guises. I strongly caution everyone to avoid such places and situations. A handful of visits by myself to various places convinced me the very dangerous - to your soul and mind - and deceptive, is presented as good.

But a lot of it flies under the radar of the average person. Parents and friends, be vigilant regarding the people you love.

Peace,
Ed

 

[ffg]

Just heard this talk by Constance Cumbey recently.

It deserves to land here, very interesting on new age.

avemariaradio.net/audio_archive/putting-on-the-mind-of-christ-july-6-2014/

Most interesting point I think is the effort of the movement to shift from analytical thinking.

Made me think about Common Core in the US and the purposeful shift of how to think.

 

[Ion]

Good Evening Ion: Why would that be wrong? I am interested to know where you draw your lines.

Thank you,
Gary

Acts 10:[13] And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat.

Judaic law had this interdiction, not to eat meat with life in it. There are people in Africa for example, who even now drink the blood from alive animals.

 

[mkoopman]

Acts 10:[13] And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat.

Judaic law had this interdiction, not to eat meat with life in it. There are people in Africa for example, who even now drink the blood from alive animals.

I thought the US Congress was working on a law to assure that the mandate requiring Vegans to purchase pork for orthodox Jewish employees would be obeyed and resistance would be futile?

Or, was that requiring atheists to purchase catholic medallions for employees? I am having a bit of trouble reaching my spirit guide who would fill me in on these worldly affairs at the time of this writing.

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[Gary_Sheldrake]

Acts 10:[13] And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat.

Judaic law had this interdiction, not to eat meat with life in it. There are people in Africa for example, who even now drink the blood from alive animals.

Good Evening Ion: Do you contend that Judaic tradition holds? If it holds, there are some restrictions on what you eat. If it doesn’t, then perhaps there are none. Or do some Judaic eating traditions hold while others don’t, and how do you decide?

Thank you,
Gary

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

If you prefer to eat vegetables, that’s just fine.

Good Evening Christine: That was my only point.

Thank you,
Gary

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

And, more to the point, if we weren’t supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat?

Good Evening Clintonm: Perhaps so that some creatures made out of meat would learn to use keyboards with their own meaty little fingers, and type out questions such as yours about why other creatures made of meat were made.

Thank you,
Gary

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

To break it down.

1. You are God.
2. There is an end for you. An ultimate teacher/source, which is a false Christ, satan, the anti-Christ.
3. His followers will usually not identify the person as satan but that’s who it is. Others will openly admit it, believing that satan is either who the Bible says he is or not as the Bible describes him.

The New Age can be summed up this way:

“Do not, however, expect a devoted New Ager to admit that his ‘Christ’ is the Antichrist. That would be considered negative thinking, even impossible, for many in the New Age Religion deny that any one man will come as the Antichrist. They do not foresee the coming of evil into the world, but only of good.”

“’ There is no such thing as the devil or a fallen angel leading the forces of evil. Man alone is responsible for the present discord in the world.’”

“At … we acknowledge the World Teacher who appeared as Jesus the Christ, also known variously as the Lord Maitreya, and the Bodhisattva, as well as of other appearances through such personalities as Melchizedek, Krishna, and Mithra.”

And when they die, “… that at death we are reincarnated into other worlds – that is, other planes of existence…”

Those who do not worship the one True God end up worshipping the anti-Christ, knowingly and unknowingly, and even denying that the devil exists.

So if you’re picturing a church of Satan, it exists, but the New Age couches itself in the glory of man and each of us recognizing his or her godhood/divinity that will lead all mankind into a bright and shining New World Order and One World Religion.

That’s the best I can do. I’d rather keep it at this level in order to avoid others developing a curiosity about what can be described as cults more often than a church or religion. These people can meet anywhere and can move from place to place.

I will not name the group but I witnessed the following: A prayer collector/generator was placed in the front of a room. It collected the chants/prayers of the group. It would then be passed on to good “aliens” who would release the collected energy to thwart the actions of evil aliens on earth. This was not a stunt. They also sold tapes of Jesus speaking.

This is not a simple situation. It comes in many forms and guises. I strongly caution everyone to avoid such places and situations. A handful of visits by myself to various places convinced me the very dangerous - to your soul and mind - and deceptive, is presented as good.

But a lot of it flies under the radar of the average person. Parents and friends, be vigilant regarding the people you love.

Peace,
Ed

Good Evening Ed: Thank you for the reply and the work you put into it. I appreciate that. My question is whether there is a New Age group teaches that the devil is their God? I thought that is what you had said. I am only curious.

Thank you,
Gary

 

[cmodrmac]

Bizarre

 

[henrikhank]

I agree with the others in that it’s not anti-Catholic, and that eating meat is a personal choice.

New Agers, I think, sometimes can turn something that’s either neutral or good, and twist it into something evil or corrupt. Vegetarianism might be one of those things.

Yeah, exactly!
Eating vegetarian food is not a problem per se but when people argue that it is morally wrong to eat animals then you have a problem. Catholic moral teaching say something else about this issue. This is not so much about health as it is about morality.
Many people accept some form of hinduism or new age since they saw how gurus from those tradition seem to care more about ecology and the lives of animals (and humans) than the christian teachers. They want to be this non-violent “let’s go green” people.
What do you think?

Anyway, some people think like this: google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&ved=0CDcQFjADOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ivu.org%2Fmembers%2Fcouncil%2Fvegei%2520%26%2520aquarian%2520age%2520completed.doc&ei=AKfHU4DGCYu9ygOf_YGgDA&usg=AFQjCNE8vWC25HSesos69tBjJB5jn_gLOw&sig2=EUBQ5UZWUm6Mh1RTMC5fsw

 

[clintonm]

Good Evening Clintonm: Perhaps so that some creatures made out of meat would learn to use keyboards with their own meaty little fingers, and type out questions such as yours about why other creatures made of meat were made.

Thank you,
Gary

To quote and respond only to this piece of my comment, which was meant for humor purposes, seems to ignore the bigger picture of what I was saying. However, I did say animals not creatures, and I do not consider Humans to be made of meat in the same way. Unless you are saying that humans and animals are all similiar creatures with similiar aspects? I would disagree with that thought as well.

 

[lutheran_farmer]

The New Agers I have known were really a mixed bag. I will only speak about my impressions when I spoke to them about their beliefs. It was a bit like trying to nail down water. I am not trying to speak to all forms of New Age nor all New Agers, but perhaps there are others with similar experiences.

My NA friends, who were mostly single or divorced women with no children and at least one bad relationship under their belts, seemed to pluck different ideas from different religions and adopted them into their own religion. They grabbed yoga, because it’s exercise, but the deeper meanings were just glossed over. They snatched up reincarnation, because they loved the idea of coming back again, but they rejected all other aspects of Hinduism, such as a caste system. They spoke often about karma when someone angered or upset them, but had no concept of it’s full meaning. They quoted the Golden Rule, but rejected the Old Testament. Some even embraced the love of neighbor that Jesus spoke about, but rejected all notions of sin, including His mercy and grace. In the end, they were left with no religion at all. Only happy thoughts about life and death, which last about as long as a Facebook meme. Overall, I was left with the impression that they were like non-committal Unitarian Universalists, but they referred to themselves as Wiccan or Pagans, or some other term. I have never heard anyone actually call themselves a New Ager. I don’t think their beliefs would fall under the definition of Wiccan or Pagan.

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

Yeah, exactly!
Eating vegetarian food is not a problem per se but when people argue that it is morally wrong to eat animals then you have a problem. Catholic moral teaching say something else about this issue. This is not so much about health as it is about morality.
Many people accept some form of hinduism or new age since they saw how gurus from those tradition seem to care more about ecology and the lives of animals (and humans) than the christian teachers. They want to be this non-violent “let’s go green” people.
What do you think?

Anyway, some people think like this: google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&ved=0CDcQFjADOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ivu.org%2Fmembers%2Fcouncil%2Fvegei%2520%26%2520aquarian%2520age%2520completed.doc&ei=AKfHU4DGCYu9ygOf_YGgDA&usg=AFQjCNE8vWC25HSesos69tBjJB5jn_gLOw&sig2=EUBQ5UZWUm6Mh1RTMC5fsw

Good Morning Henrihank: I think you may be right. The reason for this (I think) is that as information becomes more and more accessible, and people become overall more educated, certain nuances in thinking start to arise within the collective human psyche. Among those is the idea that we are not free agents roaming about in a world that is separate from us, but rather that we are a part of it. We start y to see ourselves as organisms embedded on a larger organism we call the human race, which is embedded in a larger organism of life on this planet, which is in turn embedded in a larger organism which is the planet, which is embedded in the larger organism of the solar system and so on. It is all something of a nested hierarchy, and thereby people see a profound connectedness between all things. From t hat point of view, it stands to reason that we should take care of the planet, because an unhealthy planet cannot sustain healthy life forms enmeshed with it. And if all things are in fact connected, it would also make good sense to be non-violent. It is not “New Agers” who exclusively think this way. It is somewhat independent of religious background.

Thank you,
Gary

 

[schaeffer]

Well there is that thing in the Bible about one day things being returned to paradise and the lion laying down with the lamb and eating grass etc.

Seems like vegetarianism is considered to be part of paradise where nothing has to kill any animal to live.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

The New Agers I have known were really a mixed bag. I will only speak about my impressions when I spoke to them about their beliefs. It was a bit like trying to nail down water. I am not trying to speak to all forms of New Age nor all New Agers, but perhaps there are others with similar experiences.

My NA friends, who were mostly single or divorced women with no children and at least one bad relationship under their belts, seemed to pluck different ideas from different religions and adopted them into their own religion. They grabbed yoga, because it’s exercise, but the deeper meanings were just glossed over. They snatched up reincarnation, because they loved the idea of coming back again, but they rejected all other aspects of Hinduism, such as a caste system. They spoke often about karma when someone angered or upset them, but had no concept of it’s full meaning. They quoted the Golden Rule, but rejected the Old Testament. Some even embraced the love of neighbor that Jesus spoke about, but rejected all notions of sin, including His mercy and grace. In the end, they were left with no religion at all. Only happy thoughts about life and death, which last about as long as a Facebook meme. Overall, I was left with the impression that they were like non-committal Unitarian Universalists, but they referred to themselves as Wiccan or Pagans, or some other term. I have never heard anyone actually call themselves a New Ager. I don’t think their beliefs would fall under the definition of Wiccan or Pagan.

I agree completely. “New Agers” are all over the place. Before I came back to Catholicism, I was kind of a New Ager, experimenting with Tarot cards, Astrology and a little bit of Eastern philosophy. Many “New Agers” became quasi-Buddhists or Hindus, practicing yoga and becoming vegans. The thing about the New Age movement is that is is a real mish-mash of ideas and practices. I also think it is almost like Gnosticism, in that people are trying to earn their ways into some type of “salvation” like karma or reincarnation or nirvannah. But it’s hard to really define what the “New Age” movement really is. Unitarian Universalists are definitely New Agers!

 

[Ion]

Bizarre

Yep.

Some of them have weird practices on the way of “illumination”, like drinking the pee of their leader. They take it as a medicine and say they get energized (???).
Better eat meat though.
I think most of them give up after a while.

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

To quote and respond only to this piece of my comment, which was meant for humor purposes, seems to ignore the bigger picture of what I was saying. However, I did say animals not creatures, and I do not consider Humans to be made of meat in the same way. Unless you are saying that humans and animals are all similiar creatures with similiar aspects? I would disagree with that thought as well.

Good evening Clintonm: We are perfectly nutritious to eat, we taste like chicken and from a genetic perspective, 96 percent of our DNA sequence matches perfectly with chimpanzees. and technically, we are primates, as are they. That said, in what ways would you say that humans are made of meat in different ways from other mammals?

Thank you,
Gary

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Good evening Clintonm: We are perfectly nutritious to eat, we taste like chicken and from a genetic perspective, 96 percent of our DNA sequence matches perfectly with chimpanzees. and technically, we are primates, as are they. That said, in what ways would you say that humans are made of meat in different ways from other mammals?

Thank you,
Gary

However, most animals do not cannibalize each other. It’s generally considered a no-no.

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

However, most animals do not cannibalize each other. It’s generally considered a no-no.

Good Evening Christine. Good to hear from you again. Actually, cannibalism is a common ecological interaction in the animal kingdom and has been recorded for more than 1500 species.

Thank you,
Gary