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Here is an example of our local mount Carmel is offering to the people of the diocese! Ask me if I am not upset? :mad:

Inspirational Speaker/Author
BIJAN
Back in Niagara Falls
“Effortless Living”
World renowned, inspirational speaker/author BIJAN will be at Mount Carmel Spiritual Centre on Friday, April 27 and Saturday, April 28, 2007 - Assisting you in breaking free of self-limiting patterns and beliefs to help you live in full abundance.
His workshop, Effortless Living…the negative belief system of the mass consciousness of this planet…teaches us that life is full of effort and we, must suffer and struggle to make something out of ourselves. This belief system can not be further from the truth. However, if we buy into it and make it our own, we will create our lives to be as such and see ourselves full of turmoil and suffering. This one and half-day seminar will show us an easy yet profound way to release all the challenges that we have created for ourselves, and be open to an effortless life and joyful living. Once you are above the line and realize you are the one creating everything in your life, then you become aware that the key to your happiness is held in your hand and you will open yourself to a life of peace, joy and effortless living.
BIJAN has studied many forms of meditation and spent 9 years as a student and teacher of A Course of Miracles. With simplicity and humor he shares his wisdom and experience. BIJAN has helped thousands of people around the world on their journey to freedom. Just being in his presence can create shifts.
BIJAN has written several books, including best seller Effortless Prosperity which is all over the world in different languages, and created many CD’s.
Friday, April 27
7:30 – 9:30 PM
(introductory evening only)
$20.00Saturday, April 28
10:00 AM – 6:00 PM
$120.00 (includes Friday evening)
 
I draw an analogy with learning a foreign language - I have a better understanding of English after studying Latin and Spanish.
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In the same way, I understand Catholicism in a deeper way after looking at other religions.
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You wil have a better understanding of English after studying Latin and Spanish, but you will not speak better English if you’re speaking Spanish. Your English will be horrible if you speak a sentence in a mishmash of Latin, English, and Spanish.

In the same way, yes, study other religions (I think they’re very interesting) but we do not in any way need to participate in their practices in order to understand our own religion. Doing so makes practicing our own religion more difficult, not more clear.
 
Shoshana said:
Here is an example of our local mount Carmel is offering to the people of the diocese! Ask me if I am not upset? :mad:

Inspirational Speaker/Author
BIJAN
Back in Niagara Falls
“Effortless Living”
World renowned, inspirational speaker/author BIJAN will be at Mount Carmel Spiritual Centre on Friday, April 27 and Saturday, April 28, 2007 - Assisting you in breaking free of self-limiting patterns and beliefs to help you live in full abundance.
His workshop, Effortless Living…the negative belief system of the mass consciousness of this planet…teaches us that life is full of effort and we, must suffer and struggle to make something out of ourselves. This belief system can not be further from the truth. However, if we buy into it and make it our own, we will create our lives to be as such and see ourselves full of turmoil and suffering. This one and half-day seminar will show us an easy yet profound way to release all the challenges that we have created for ourselves, and be open to an effortless life and joyful living. Once you are above the line and realize you are the one creating everything in your life, then you become aware that the key to your happiness is held in your hand and you will open yourself to a life of peace, joy and effortless living.
BIJAN has studied many forms of meditation and spent 9 years as a student and teacher of A Course of Miracles. With simplicity and humor he shares his wisdom and experience. BIJAN has helped thousands of people around the world on their journey to freedom. Just being in his presence can create shifts.
BIJAN has written several books, including best seller Effortless Prosperity which is all over the world in different languages, and created many CD’s.
Friday, April 27
7:30 – 9:30 PM
(introductory evening only)
$20.00Saturday, April 28
10:00 AM – 6:00 PM
$120.00 (includes Friday evening)
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Sounds like a great talk. Wish it were available in my area.

Jim
 
What exactly specifically do ‘New Age’ people believe? Do they have a specific creed? Why are their ideas more dangerous that an established false religion, such as Islam?
 
JLSacred said:
What exactly specifically do ‘New Age’ people believe? Do they have a specific creed? Why are their ideas more dangerous that an established false religion, such as Islam?
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Hello!

Excellent question, but one that is difficult to answer. For most people “New Age” is an adjective that describes a religious practice that incorporates any portion of Eastern Philosophy/Religion (Taoism and Feng Shui for example), Gnosticism, Arianism, Theosophy, Buddhism, Pantheism, or Neo-Pagan (a wide umbrella which encompasses: Wicca, Earth Based Religion, Druidic Religion, and any number of other types of worship) practices.

In the noun form, “New Ager”, is a person who practices some form of “New Age” religion.

I consider these to be only labels, and not very effective ones at that. If you are fortunate enough to meet one of these people, then I would recommend engaging in a discussion to find out exactly what this person believes and why. It is usually a very interesting discussion.
 
I consider these to be only labels, and not very effective ones at that.
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Very true! And thank you for pointing that out. Very often I am accussed of practicing a new age type religion because I have a strong tendency towards Eastern ways of thinking when it comes to religion, but at the same time, I continue to practice within a Western framework in many respects. New Age is a label that I do not enjoy because it makes it sound like I accumulate my knowledge from acclaimed psychics, advertising schemes and Sylvia Browne.

I consider the New Age movement, in many respects, to represent a commoditization of spiritual truths from all over the world. And in this sense, its insulting to the traditions from which these practices are honed.

Nevertheless, I am considered sometimes to be a New Ager, though I never use that identification.
 
So, ‘New Age’ specifies a newer way of looking at older ideas and philosophies? New Agers don’t follow mainstream religions, but subscribe to more offbeat ones, influenced by Eastern philosophies or pre-Christian ones? Do they reject Jesus Christ as Son of God?
 
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So, ‘New Age’ specifies a newer way of looking at older ideas and philosophies? New Agers don’t follow mainstream religions, but subscribe to more offbeat ones, influenced by Eastern philosophies or pre-Christian ones? Do they reject Jesus Christ as Son of God?
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smiles As I posted earlier, each person you meet will have a different outlook on each of these things. There are people who believe that Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins and rose from the dead, and at the same time practice (for example) feng shui.

And again, there is an incredible amount of different philosophies and religions out there that people practice. Some are relatively new (theosophy), some are old (Buddhism), and some are still in their infancy (wicca).

I try to keep in mind the Vatican II document: “Declaration on the Relationship of the Church to Non-Christian Religions”:
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   The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these    religions.  She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and    of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many    aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often    reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.   Indeed, she    proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ, "the way the truth, and the    life" (John 14, 6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life,    in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself (4).
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Gnosis said:
Very true! And thank you for pointing that out. Very often I am accused of practicing a new age type religion because I have a strong tendency toward Eastern ways of thinking when it comes to religion, but at the same time, I continue to practice within a Western framework in many respects. New Age is a label that I do not enjoy because it makes it sound like I accumulate my knowledge from acclaimed psychics, advertising schemes and Sylvia Browne.

I consider the New Age movement, in many respects, to represent a commoditization of spiritual truths from all over the world. And in this sense, its insulting to the traditions from which these practices are honed.

Nevertheless, I am considered sometimes to be a New Ager, though I never use that identification.
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I was never called a New Ager, until I came into this web-site, and spoke about (Centering Prayer"(Please, this thread isn’t about Centering Prayer).

I am open to Eastern Philosophy and Religion as I am to all religions. As John Paul II said, there are truths in all of the worlds religions. I have found many truths in Eastern Religions, but those truths are in Catholicism as well, except they are expressed in different ways.

I don’t feel threatened by other religions, nor do I have to sacrifice my own beliefs in learning about them. In fact, I’ve learned more about Catholicism, by seeing the parallels in Eastern Religions with Catholicism. Those parallels are usually presented with different terminology, but they encompass the detachment from self in exchange for a higher good, which is based on love. In the Catholic tradition, that higher good is Jesus Christ.

Mother Teresa lived in the heartland of Eastern Religion, and she dialog with the leaders and mystics of these religions. Yet, she never wavered from her belief, but in fact represented the Church so well, that she was admired by those in the other religions. She also converted many, through her non-judgmental action of loving service to all.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I don’t feel threatened by other religions, nor do I have to sacrifice my own beliefs in learning about them. In fact, I’ve learned more about Catholicism, by seeing the parallels in Eastern Religions with Catholicism.
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Here are a few lnks to scroll and read and understand what this is all about:

****N**ew Age Lies

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Definition The “New Age” Movement (NAM), sometimes also referred to as the “Human Potential Movement”, is a loosely connected network of people, groups, activities and practices which, according to its adherents, purportedly foster and produce a vast array of beneficial results such as “spiritual” and personal growth, financial success, improvement in relationships, physical and psychological healing, individual and global peace, stabilization of the environment, etc.

cwo.com/~pentrack/catholic/newage.html

Beware! The New Age Movement Is More Than Self-Indulgent Silliness
**Please Note the author of this article, Lee Penn is Catholic, which is reflected in certain parts of the article. While we do not agree with Catholicism, it would be difficult to find a better expose of the New Age Movement.
It is always mystifying to me as to how people come to the conclusions, such as those expressed on this page, and where they get their information from. At least 99% of any information or knowledge a person possesses is from sources outside of themselves… the quality of the information being only as good as the source. So where did the inside dope come from, which gives rise to statements like ‘Christ will pronounce this Earth Planet of God before leaving it forever’. Either it originates in a very fertile imagination (bordering on the totally loony) or in an outside

source.[(name removed by moderator)lainsite.org/html/beware_the_new_age_.html#PREFACE](http://www.(name removed by moderator)lainsite.org/html/beware_the_new_age_.html#PREFACE)
 
JLSacred said:
Is that so?:confused: How do they do that, Shoshona?
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The short answer is this (and again, it varies from person to person).

Many people believe that since Divinity resides in each and every person, then they themselves are the source of that Divinity. I spoke with one person who explained it like this: “Since I have Divinity inside of me, that makes me Divine. I can also manifest all knowledge - so basically if I wanted to play guitar without every taking a lesson, I could.”

The conversation was a long time ago and I don’t remember it precisely, but that was the gist of it.

And notice that there is a kernel of truth to what she is saying. We Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit indwells in each of us. So we could say that we carry God with us. But we draw a distinction between us being God and God being God. Some people do not.
 
Shoshana said:
Here are a few lnks to scroll and read and understand what this is all about:

New Age Lies

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Definition The “New Age” Movement (NAM), sometimes also referred to as the “Human Potential Movement”, is a loosely connected network of people, groups, activities and practices which, according to its adherents, purportedly foster and produce a vast array of beneficial results such as “spiritual” and personal growth, financial success, improvement in relationships, physical and psychological healing, individual and global peace, stabilization of the environment, etc.
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These sound like worthy goals, for the most part.
 
cheese_sdc said:
The short answer is this (and again, it varies from person to person).

Many people believe that since Divinity resides in each and every person, then they themselves are the source of that Divinity. I spoke with one person who explained it like this: “Since I have Divinity inside of me, that makes me Divine. I can also manifest all knowledge - so basically if I wanted to play guitar without every taking a lesson, I could.”

The conversation was a long time ago and I don’t remember it precisely, but that was the gist of it.

And notice that there is a kernel of truth to what she is saying. We Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit indwells in each of us. So we could say that we carry God with us. But we draw a distinction between us being God and God being God. Some people do not.
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That’s an interesting distinction. God dwells in us, but we are not God, yet God created us, we are born of God. So, in a sense, we are part of God. I can see why people blur the line, because in some ways we are a part of God, or he is a part of us. So, these New Agers are trying to ignite an inner spark?
 
cheese_sdc said:
Some. Not all.
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And they don’t equate divinity as with the creator.

But then, even Jesus said, "be perfect as your Father is perfect.’

“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” John 10:34.

This of course is in reference to the judges, in Dt 1:17, who exercised divine authority to judge, were referred to as “gods.”

This however does not mean Supreme Divinity as God is.

In Eastern Religions, such is often used in the same way, that is except in parts of Buddhism, which are essentially athiestic.

Jim
 
cheese_sdc said:
The short answer is this (and again, it varies from person to person).

Many people believe that since Divinity resides in each and every person, then they themselves are the source of that Divinity. I spoke with one person who explained it like this: “Since I have Divinity inside of me, that makes me Divine. I can also manifest all knowledge - so basically if I wanted to play guitar without every taking a lesson, I could.”

The conversation was a long time ago and I don’t remember it precisely, but that was the gist of it.

And notice that there is a kernel of truth to what she is saying. We Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit indwells in each of us. So we could say that we carry God with us. But we draw a distinction between us being God and God being God. Some people do not.
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i’m sorry I missed your post :o …in the eastern church, there is a saying that goes like this: God became man so man can become gods…we, as catholics understand this, but not so anyone else outside the Faith. But our understanding as opposed to the new ager’s is as far as left is from right.

Jesus also said that we would have life in the fullest (through and in Him)…the new ager believe they can have it too by controlling their surroundings. or having a certain attitude. Just look at The Secret and see how it is gaining in momentum…

They make themselves as gods and have their own magic genie to provide all that they need. When people do not believe in anything, they will believe in anything…
 
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