New American Bible (NAB) use of "highly favored one" vs. "full of grace"?

[Dr_M]

The article on the NIV was quite useful

 

[johnnydigit]

The New Jerusalem Bible, also a Catholic translation, does not use full of grace either. The Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition does.

interesting…

The Unitedly Stupid Council of Confused Bishops was the one’s that approved this I believe (USCCB)

Um…they are Bishops…dont insult them please!!! Fr. Corapi would not be happy…

yes, (neither would St. Padre Pio!) please be more mindful of using such language, especially on a public board. some of us may understand completely, but some may be offended or it may scandalize their faith. it’s like two parents insulting eachother in front of their kids.

so back to the topic, i’m more interested in what their reasoning was, rather than a comparison of translations. since the Jerusalem uses “favored” also, i’m thinking there must be some compelling or reasonable explanations.

(another reason why we shouldn’t insult our bishops without even knowing their reasons for doing it. we blame the protestants for doing the exact same thing…)

 

[Dr_M]

My reasoning for them probally using the term favored one, is because of the notes in the beginning of the NAT which has something to the point of “so that all Christians can use them” (which has got to be close to the truth)…

(Saracasm can never be shown on a computer)…

I mean the translation is fine for working with other faiths, but for reals, they should have a side note with the greek word kecharitomene-which is construction, prefected by grace, or full of grace, it implies an action already done. Where as favored one does not. It makes me sick any Catholic Translation that does not have full of grace in the Lk 1:28 verse. That’s the LEAST that the NAT should have. Not to mention it bores the living out of me trying to read that. I’m reading the EP in Spanish (Much more Authentic footnotes). There are some points in the NAT where the notes are clearly not Catholic in interpretation. Or even if it is, they’re missing one big thing that would make the verse make much more sense.

(There’s a reason Rome practically re did the NAT when it got to their desk for approval for use in the Lectinary).

I’ll watch my language in reference to the Bishops from now on. I figured that I say something that’s a bit sarcastic.

(Might be becasue of the fact that I’m from the Archdiocese of LA, and Cardinal Mahoney is the Archbishop, and i’m already a bit on edge, haha)

A Bible not mentioned here is the Christian Community Bible, which I think is pretty good. (I read the one in Spanish constantly)

Dr. M

 

[TheApologist]

I think I’m gonna order the Catholic Youth Bible: New Revised Standard Version…Does anyone have any details on that translation? Is it a joy to read? Accurate?

 

[Dr_M]

I have the NSRV YB-CE. The translation is easy to read. There are some problems with the gender uses, and Lk 1:28. However if you can get past these, It should be fine. . The side commentaries are pretty cool. It does suck that there are no footnotes in the Bible though

 

[TheApologist]

I have the NSRV YB-CE. The translation is easy to read. There are some problems with the gender uses, and Lk 1:28. However if you can get past these, It should be fine. . The side commentaries are pretty cool. It does suck that there are no footnotes in the Bible though

New Revised Standard Version Youth Bible Catholic Edition? Is this the same as the New Revised Standard Version Catholic Youth Bible So it says “highly favored one?” What about gender uses?

What out of these versions is the best concerning everything?
The Catholic Youth Bible New Revised Standard Version
The Catholic Youth Bible: New American Bible Including the Revised Psalms and the Revised New Testament
The Catholic Youth Bible Revised: New American Bible

I actually think the NRSV and the NAB are the only translations offered in the Catholic Youth Bible format. It’s just such a nice Bible!
Also, has anyone read a Catholic Answers Bible? Was it a good translation? Wait was that a Catholic Answer Bible(separate from Catholics Answers, Inc.?

What, in anyone’s experience, is the best Bible with commentary included? Or just extras included.

 

[johnnydigit]

(Might be becasue of the fact that I’m from the Archdiocese of LA, and Cardinal Mahoney is the Archbishop, and i’m already a bit on edge, haha)

oh yeah, i’m from Orange County, beat that! maybe i’ll be seeing you at the june2 LA ordination? or not…

 

[scylla]

I got you all beat, I live in So Cal, I have a habitless nun running my parish and we go to LA Congress, at least you probably have a heretical priest running your parish, I have none, NAB is the least of my worries. Just go to my RCIA where the faith is insulted every week.
Liturgical Dancing, Consecrated Wine pouring, we learned plenty from your Bishops.

In Christ,
Scylla

 

[TheApologist]

At least you probably have a heretical priest running your parish, I have none, NAB is the least of my worries. Just go to my RCIA where the faith is insulted every week.
Liturgical Dancing, Consecrated Wine pouring, we learned plenty from your Bishops.

In Christ,
Scylla

:bigyikes: My prayers are with you.

 

[colliric]

The language in the NAB is hideous. I’m talking about the diction and style of the writing: it is deadly boring, and painfully plain.** I know Catholics aren’t suppossed to read the King James Bible for theological reasons, but as far as beauty of language, there are many, many other translations–like King James-- that are an actual joy to read**. The NAB, as a translation, is lame. Again, not the content, the actual word choice and style. So, so boring.

Have you heard of the Douay Rheims?

Trust me, you’ll love it. I was a protestant with KJV and I asked for the Catholic equivalent… it’s easily the Douay Rheims which was completed in 1609, 2 years before KJV and is in the same style of beautiful English language and grammar.

The DR is a word for word translation of St Jerome’s Vulgate. No need to mention KJV, just say Douay Rheims…

The Douay is the bible from which ALL of the scriptural prayers were put into English… including “Hail Mary full of grace, the lord is with thee”.

 

[fellowChristian]

I use them online and I have it on my pda.

This site you can use any translation depending on your audience.

bibleresources.bible.com/

catholic.org/phpframedirect/out.php?url=http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/index.htm

The Catechism online also

catholic.org/phpframedirect/out.php?url=http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/index.htm

 

[fellowChristian]

the Nab translates this?

Acts 6:8:

8And Stephen,** full of grace **and power, was performing great (A)wonders and signs among the people.

 

[Michaeljc4]

Have you heard of the Douay Rheims?

This is actually the one I got from my gradfather! I was reading it last night; it’s a really old paperback, pocket-sized, from the 1940’s. The NRSV Youth Bible looks pretty good. I’d like to read it myself!

 

[Subrosa]

Sorry if you got offeneded by what I said, not intended to be taken seriously. (The sarcasm can’t be shown from here)…I just can’t believe the NAT was published under their watch. I am fully faitfhful to the Magisterium and the athourity of the Church.

www.drbo.org

or you can look on ewtn for the rsv version.

Hey Doc M -

You’ve used “NAT” a couple times. Is it a typo, or are you trying to say something?

Sub

 

[Unitas]

I’m gonna have to agree with the DRV.

Baronius press offers wonderful hardback and leather pocket-size editions.

My only complaint about it is the lack of commentary as compared with other study bibles.

This is remedied with the Haydock DRV bible, (footnotes by Fr. George Leo Haydock) which has a very comprehensive commentary. It comes in two volumes but is a bit pricier than the Baronius press edition.

I have the hardback and pocket editions, personally. I’d really like to get the Haydock edition, though.

The only things I have to say about the translation itself is that sometimes, because of the age of the language, you must look to the non-colloquial, non-modern meaning of a word to fully grasp its meaning. If you can do that, it’s an absolute joy to read, it has no peer imo. (except for maybe the vulgate, but…)

 

[Unitas]

Hey Doc M -

You’ve used “NAT” a couple times. Is it a typo, or are you trying to say something?

Sub

I think he means New American Translation, I could be wrong though.

 

[Cranch]

the Nab translates this?

Acts 6:8:

8And Stephen,** full of grace **and power, was performing great (A)wonders and signs among the people.

The thread title is referencing the annunciation. Luke 1:28 in the NAB: And coming to her, he said, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

 

[Manfred]

So what’s the best Catholic Bible for “a joy to read”-iness?

That would be the Douay-Rheims as revised by Bishop Challoner (1749-52). Some have called it “the Catholic King James”, but it’s actually more modern and has a better textual base (Jerome’s Latin Vulgate). It has some notes, but they’re not as extensive as those of either the full-size Jerusalem Bible (1966) or New Jerusalem Bible (1985). The latter two are quite non-traditional, but are not “way out there” as are some. A good middle-of-the-road version (retains traditional renderings, easy to understand) is the RSV Catholic Edition.

 

[TheApologist]

I’m gonna have to agree with the DRV.

Baronius press offers wonderful hardback and leather pocket-size editions.

My only complaint about it is the lack of commentary as compared with other study bibles.

This is remedied with the Haydock DRV bible, (footnotes by Fr. George Leo Haydock) which has a very comprehensive commentary. It comes in two volumes but is a bit pricier than the Baronius press edition.

I have the hardback and pocket editions, personally. I’d really like to get the Haydock edition, though.

The only things I have to say about the translation itself is that sometimes, because of the age of the language, you must look to the non-colloquial, non-modern meaning of a word to fully grasp its meaning. If you can do that, it’s an absolute joy to read, it has no peer imo. (except for maybe the vulgate, but…)

That would be the Douay-Rheims as revised by Bishop Challoner (1749-52). Some have called it “the Catholic King James”, but it’s actually more modern and has a better textual base (Jerome’s Latin Vulgate). It has some notes, but they’re not as extensive as those of either the full-size Jerusalem Bible (1966) or New Jerusalem Bible (1985). The latter two are quite non-traditional, but are not “way out there” as are some. A good middle-of-the-road version (retains traditional renderings, easy to understand) is the RSV Catholic Edition.

Mhmm…thanks for the enlightenment. I think I’m gonna get a good RSV-CE or a Haydock DRV.

 

[DiscernVoc]

Example 1 Tess 2:15 the word traditons (parodisis, is translated as teaching, when it means traditoin)

It’s true that it’s all the word of God, but if you want Authentic Catholic Teaching, I suggest an RSV-2CE, as far as readability is concnerned. (Plus it has all the books. NIV’s only have 66 books)

You’re thinking of 2 Tess 2:15.