New book on Muhammed

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Wouldn’t the book be good to read regardless of your thoughts? I mean until one reads it how can form an opinion? Maybe its worth it simply to refute it if one thinks its not factual. I am planning on buying it.
 
Damascus said:
Wouldn’t the book be good to read regardless of your thoughts? I mean until one reads it how can form an opinion? Maybe its worth it simply to refute it if one thinks its not factual. I am planning on buying it.
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Well, if you like entertainment, yes, buy it.

I’m sure the national enquirer has a true story or two every five issues also. Does that mean I can’t claim that the national enquirer is mostly false, and not worth my time, unless I buy every issue and read-then-debunk the stories about vampires and goblins?

Some books are a waste of time, and will actually leave you significantly less informed on the topic than you would have been had you not cracked the book. Reverend Spencer writes that kind of book.
 
pro_universal said:
Yeah, you’re not looking at his full CV. His full CV includes education and scholarly articles (which are more numerous than books). The CV is a word doc that you download.

You can read Islamic texts for yourself, in translation, and without a complete picture of the context or anything else remotely approaching a deep historical study. That means you read the sources badly.
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I only have to look at his books, bud. He wrote 8 books and 7 are on Sufism. That shows his area of expertise.

Your ad hominem about Islam is very poor bud. Can you read Arabic? Besides, I told you I have lived 20 years under Islam. What does that tell you?
 
Pro,

I wont buy the book. Maybe I’ll wait until its in the Library. But, if you write a book let us know, I will buy it.
 
pro_universal said:
How do you know that’s not what I’m doing right now?
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If you are, that’s great. But if you are, you wouldn’t ask that question, you would just say so.

Do you have your MA/S yet? Do you have that PhD yet? Do you have sufficient time invested to consider yourself an expert with academic credentials that others would acknowledge? If not, then drop all this “he doesn’t have credentials” and simply refute his points with facts.
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An Islamic apologist? What? A sufi? Huh???

Well, let’s see the proof of that.
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I’d say the chances that he’s a Sufi are pretty high, based on his interests in life evidenced by his writing. Of course, my dear Pro, I have no proof, just inference from circumstantial evidence.
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Anyway, if your argument is that academics can be wrong, therefore, Spencer is credible…well, that’s a terrible argument. Academics can be wrong; polemicists almost always are wrong.
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No, my argument is that academics can be wrong, and it’s possible that Ernst is wrong. A polemicist is what you are, and you can be wrong too. 😃
 
Isn’t interesting that pro now got sidetracked trying to defend his “expert.” He seems to find it frustrating. He doesn’t like his own tactic being used against him.

The point is that he has avoided discussing Spencers book on it’s MERITS. The one time we did I proved that Spencer was correct. Pro is terrified of really looking at the life of his prophet or comparing him to Jesus. He should be.
 
cestusdei said:
Isn’t interesting that pro now got sidetracked trying to defend his “expert.” He seems to find it frustrating. He doesn’t like his own tactic being used against him.

The point is that he has avoided discussing Spencers book on it’s MERITS. The one time we did I proved that Spencer was correct. Pro is terrified of really looking at the life of his prophet or comparing him to Jesus. He should be.
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Pro is not terrified of anything, he has aligned himself with what he percieves to be the “winner” in this world.

He forgets that by in being small there is power.

He never got formation in a proper sense. We are to blame for that. Not Pro.

Pro is copping out. He is a good soul. but a person seeking an answer to his own personal dilemmeas.
I still love Pro, even as tempting as it is to not.

He is genuine in spirit.

He is not as I thought, a fake.

I believe him now.

It takes time, but Pro can grow on you. He has had a hard time with this, and I finally can see that.
 
I don’t think pro was ever Catholic. I think he is and was always a Muslim. That is the only way to make sense of what he says. His support for terrorist groups is simply appalling. And his lack of concern or even acknowledgment of the horrors perpetrated by Islam is incomprehesible.
 
If it looks like a duck, if it waddles like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, is it a dog?
 
cestusdei said:
I don’t think pro was ever Catholic. I think he is and was always a Muslim. That is the only way to make sense of what he says. His support for terrorist groups is simply appalling. And his lack of concern or even acknowledgment of the horrors perpetrated by Islam is incomprehesible.
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Agreed. The forum “authority” has really slipped up here. Letting HIM get away with cyberspace murder so to speak.

He should have been forced from day one to state his real beliefs.

I got 3 persons here to give it up.

Look where it got me…:mad:

A jew, and 2 muslims.

Hey - I can spot em too.
 
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cestusdei:
I don’t think pro was ever Catholic.
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I have to agree. Recently, pro wrote that God *willed *Christ’s death. I think it’s possible for someone to live in a Christian nation and pick up the lingo enough to pass yourself off as Christian in conversation, but then when you get down to brass tacks, the comprehension level of even Christianity 101 is just not there in his case.
 
Rodrigo_Bivar said:
If it looks like a duck, if it waddles like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, is it a dog?
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No its the politically correct forces on this forum that allows garbage posts and stupid threads that do nothing good for Catholics and nothing but -the ever predictable “mass abuses” and you name the idiotic thing. Its here. And no one who posts this garbage is held accountable to prove their accusations!
 
Pro-universal,

Spencer is a Melkite? A deacon no less?

I had no idea.

I’ll definitely buy his books now!
 
Why am I so torn about wanting to believe in Pro?

Something is bugging me about him. I feel bad condemning him.

He is not a bad guy. I hate myself for thinking bad things about him.😦
 
Damascus,

I sincerely appreciate your charity, and I haven’t found you at all abrasive or unreasonable even though we do not agree.

As for the rest of you, it’s obvious what is going on here. Anyone who disagrees with hating Muslims is “muslim” or “part of the conspiracy of muslims”. It’s an irrational hatred that drives this, not “reading the sources of muslims.” Plain and simple.
 
pro_universal said:
Damascus,

As for the rest of you, it’s obvious what is going on here. Anyone who disagrees with hating Muslims is “muslim” or “part of the conspiracy of muslims”. It’s an irrational hatred that drives this, not “reading the sources of muslims.” Plain and simple.
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Who hates Moslems? Has anyone here said anything bad about Moslems? We hate Islam not Moslems. Get your facts straight.
 
Again, the problem is not with the people, it’s with the religion. How do you explain to children “in a good way” that Muhammed wants them to smite the neck and fingertips of non-believers? How do you explain children “in a good way” that Muhammed ordered a woman with a breast-feeding infant to be murdered for writing unflattering poetry about him? How do you explain to children “in a good way” that when girls are 9 years old, they are mature in the eyes of men?
 
pro_universal said:
Damascus,

I sincerely appreciate your charity, and I haven’t found you at all abrasive or unreasonable even though we do not agree.

As for the rest of you, it’s obvious what is going on here. Anyone who disagrees with hating Muslims is “muslim” or “part of the conspiracy of muslims”. It’s an irrational hatred that drives this, not “reading the sources of muslims.” Plain and simple.
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No, what is going on here is people present you and other Moslems with facts and rather than deal with those you go for questioning ‘motives’ etc, even now you do so.

Please come up with a refutation based on what the person says, not what you perceive as their bias.
 
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