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saint_rafael
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Of coarse no one knows what the entire secret is! That is what this thread is about. Catholics want the Vatican to release the entire secret.
The thread was about Christopher Ferrara’s book which proves the second part of the Third Secret is not revealed. There were two texts and they released the first one in 2000. There is something more the Church does not want the faithful to know.
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saint_rafael
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Some of the Churchmen who have read the third secret have given hints:
On March 17, 1990 Cardinal Oddi, who was a personal friend of Pope John XXIII and who had spoken to him regarding the Secret, gave the following testimony to Italian journalist Lucio Brunelli in the journal Il Sabato:
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In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top**
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Fr. Malachi Martin stated that if the Secret were made public, the confessionals and churches would be filled with parishioners on their knees. He also stated that something very relevant to the U.S. is mentioned in the Secret. He stated that the central element of the Secret is awful, and that it concerns apostasy. **
fatima.org/thirdsecret/otherwitness.asp
On March 17, 1990 Cardinal Oddi, who was a personal friend of Pope John XXIII and who had spoken to him regarding the Secret, gave the following testimony to Italian journalist Lucio Brunelli in the journal Il Sabato:
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"It** [the Third Secret] has nothing to do with Gorbachev. The Blessed Virgin was alerting us against apostasy in the Church."**
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In a personal communication to a Professor Baumgartner in Salzburg, Cardinal Mario Luigi Ciappi, who was the personal papal theologian to Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II, revealed:In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top**
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Fr. Malachi Martin stated that if the Secret were made public, the confessionals and churches would be filled with parishioners on their knees. He also stated that something very relevant to the U.S. is mentioned in the Secret. He stated that the central element of the Secret is awful, and that it concerns apostasy. **
fatima.org/thirdsecret/otherwitness.asp
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laudamus_te
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There is no “teaching of the Church” on this topic.
I would suggest people read the book before condemning it out-of-hand.
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Volodymyr_988
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Volodymyr_988
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This is all hearsay.
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saint_rafael
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Here’s the testimony of Fr. Fiore who testified to Fr. Martin never leaving the priesthood:
unitypublishing.com/newswire/fiore3.html
earlier link in defense of Fr. Martin:
geocities.com/whkinfo1/malachi_martinsophia.htm
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saint_rafael
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These are the direct testimony of the Churchmen who read the Third Secret. All the men quoted read the entire Third Secret themselves.
Those quotes come from their own mouths. They gave those interviews and spoke on what they knew personally.
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laudamus_te
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God bless you, saint rafael. Mary’s heart is comforted by Catholics who defend her. It is sad that Catholics must defend her to other Catholics.
“Those who explain me will have life everlasting”
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Neil_Anthony
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A book claiming we’re all being deceived by Rome? Shouldn’t this be in apologetics?
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beckycmarie
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Malachi Martin was a laicized, schismatic priest. I don’t take his word on anything.
If there is something we need absolutely need to know, the Vatican will shout it from the rooftops.
If you believe our Church is keeping something from us, then methinks you’ve allowed Satan to tempt you into doubting the Church. It’s just a slippery slope from there to losing your faith.
If part of the third secret is such a secret, why do so many people claim to know it exists?
People who believe in this garbage will never be satisfied. Just like the SSPX’ers who continue to be in schism even though the Pope relaxed the rules on the TLM to the point that there is no reason for them to continue in rebellion.
Time to take the tin foil hats off, third secret people, and listen to the Church instead of accusing Her of lying to you.
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saint_rafael
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Fr. Martin was a priest in good standing until his death. Cardinal Cooke allowed him continue his Priestly functions. Pope Paul VI released him of his vows of poverty and obedience. He kept chastity.Malachi Martin was a laicized, schismatic priest. I don’t take his word on anything.
If there is something we need absolutely need to know, the Vatican will shout it from the rooftops.
If you believe our Church is keeping something from us, then methinks you’ve allowed Satan to tempt you into doubting the Church. It’s just a slippery slope from there to losing your faith.
If part of the third secret is such a secret, why do so many people claim to know it exists?
People who believe in this garbage will never be satisfied. Just like the SSPX’ers who continue to be in schism even though the Pope relaxed the rules on the TLM to the point that there is no reason for them to continue in rebellion.
Time to take the tin foil hats off, third secret people, and listen to the Church instead of accusing Her of lying to you.
The Church is supernatural. Her members are sinners. The Churchmen today are modernist, negligent, or fearful.
Everyone knows about the Third Secret. Catholics were waiting for it to be revealed in 1960 as Mary wanted. The secret exists. What the secret says is a secret. No one knows what is in the text except the Churchmen who read it.
The SSPX are not in formal schism Read one o f the many interviews Cardinal Hoyos gave last year in which he said the SSPX are not in schism. Cardinal Hoyos speaks for Pope Benedict.
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beckycmarie
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But why are some insisting part of the secret hasn’t been revealed?
I think I know the answer to that one. It’s because the third secret was a huge disappointment for some. They were expecting some earth shattering news, and when they didn’t get it, they decided the Church must be holding back the earth shattering part.
Trust me, if the Church had some info on a piece of paper that had the power to send people running to the sacraments, they would have released it a long time ago.
People should be in the confessionals and in the pews on their knees because God Himself hears our confessions and is present to us in the Blessed Sacrament. If people can’t accept that, what makes you think some “secret” is going to suddenly open their eyes and send them flocking to Church?
As far as Fr. Martin goes, once a priest, always a priest even if laicized and released from “active duty.” There is nothing special about his keeping the chastity vow; he had to keep that vow unless given a dispensation to marry, and then subsequently getting married. All unmarried persons are required to be chaste.
Fr. Martin had his own wacky theology, especially where exorcisms are concerned. Obviously he held some divisive beliefs if he was obsessed with this third secret conspiracy, too.
I think I know the answer to that one. It’s because the third secret was a huge disappointment for some. They were expecting some earth shattering news, and when they didn’t get it, they decided the Church must be holding back the earth shattering part.
Trust me, if the Church had some info on a piece of paper that had the power to send people running to the sacraments, they would have released it a long time ago.
People should be in the confessionals and in the pews on their knees because God Himself hears our confessions and is present to us in the Blessed Sacrament. If people can’t accept that, what makes you think some “secret” is going to suddenly open their eyes and send them flocking to Church?
As far as Fr. Martin goes, once a priest, always a priest even if laicized and released from “active duty.” There is nothing special about his keeping the chastity vow; he had to keep that vow unless given a dispensation to marry, and then subsequently getting married. All unmarried persons are required to be chaste.
Fr. Martin had his own wacky theology, especially where exorcisms are concerned. Obviously he held some divisive beliefs if he was obsessed with this third secret conspiracy, too.
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Volodymyr_988
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This is scandalous to pious eyes.
Here’s another one:
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Well, that just about solves it doesn’t it? You gonna go Protestant or Orthodox?
Actually, this settles it for me:
To quote a famous politician “A leopard can’t change it’s stripes!”
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Volodymyr_988
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The truth is that Malachi Martin and his ilk are in real trouble:
[SIGN]Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanae creaturae declaramus, dicimus, definimus, et pronuntiamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis.[/SIGN]
[SIGN]Declaratio quod subesse Romano Pontifici est omni humanae creaturae de necessitate salutis.[/SIGN]
[SIGN]De necessitate esse salutis omnes Christi fideles Romano Pontifici subesse.[/SIGN]
Our more erudite Latin speakers can translate these if you don’t understand them.
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saint_rafael
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Fr. Malachi Martin was not laicized. Pope Paul VI releaed him of two vows. The last vow was the vow of celibacy, which all religious priests take. Secular priests do not take vows.
Cardinal Cooke let him continue being an active priest. He always was an active duty and assisted at some exorcisms.
Fr. Martin was an excorcist. I guess you can call believing in the devil, demons, or demonic possesion “wacky theology” or “divisive beliefs.” I call it Catholic Faith.
Fr. Martin was not “obssesed with conspiracy”. He was one of the few people on the planet who read the secret.
He was the personal secretary to Cardinal Bea in the Vatican. He read the secret along with the close associates of Pope John XXIII in 1960, when Pope John read with everyone present.
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laudamus_te
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The gist of the unrevealed part of the Third Secret, as indicated by several who actually read it (including then-Cardinal Ratzinger), would convince everyone what a mistake VII was (“The apostasy will begin at the top”). No high-ranking official in Rome is willing to accept that. VII is their baby, and they will protect it at all costs. Sadly, even to the point of disregarding the instructions of Our Lady.
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Volodymyr_988
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So now your choices are…
Protestant, Orthodox, or Sedevacantism.
Read the last post on the previous page.
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saint_rafael
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What in the world does Sedevacantism have to with this discussion?
Sedevacantists believe there has been no Pope since Puis.
No one here has said anything about there being no valid Popes.
Just because the Pope and hierarcrhy are negligent, disobey God, does not mean they loose their offices or there is no hierarchy.
When anyone starts talking about apostasy or disobedient clerics, people throw out the Sede card even though no one believes it.
Spreading the lie about believing in sedevacantism when someone criticizes the clergy is pretty disingenuous.
No one is advocating Sedevacantism.
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Harmony1988
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Trust me rafael, what you are implying here is strongly reminiscent of sedevacantism. You are accusing John XXIII of leading the church into error. Why won’t you now calm down, go read something else. The church is in trouble yes, like it always has been, something alway plagues the church, it always has throughout time, first the trouble with rome in days of Peter, etc etc.
However, what you are implying here is that your knowledge of reading material on the internet is enough to qualify you as some kind of definite historian or a knowledgeable person on these matters. Picking up vague things here and there on the internet doesn’t help your position. You know just as much as any ordinary tom that has read these matters on the internet.
The fact that you use a schismatic priest as your guide I think gives a very strong indication that he has hoodwinked you into beliving there is something more, there is no great big dirty secret hidden and still to come.
However, what you are implying here is that your knowledge of reading material on the internet is enough to qualify you as some kind of definite historian or a knowledgeable person on these matters. Picking up vague things here and there on the internet doesn’t help your position. You know just as much as any ordinary tom that has read these matters on the internet.
The fact that you use a schismatic priest as your guide I think gives a very strong indication that he has hoodwinked you into beliving there is something more, there is no great big dirty secret hidden and still to come.
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