New book says last days of Jesus Wrong

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youtube.com/watch?v=Yv5XZ9GPpUs

min 0-7 looks at this

also he looks at the idea that the star that showed were Christ was was a comet

then he talks about the parting of the sea.

then the burning bush

do you think this guy is correct or is he way off?

sorry I can’t say more got to head to mass be back after
 
youtube.com/watch?v=Yv5XZ9GPpUs

min 0-7 looks at this

also he looks at the idea that the star that showed were Christ was was a comet

then he talks about the parting of the sea.

then the burning bush

do you think this guy is correct or is he way off?

sorry I can’t say more got to head to mass be back after
First of all I remember hearing long ago that Holy Thursday was probably not the actual day of the Last Supper and he’s probably right all around. Also, we know that Good Friday could not possibly be the same day every year and his calculations are probably correct. Also, I went to Easter Vigil last night and we read about the parting of the Red Sea and I listened very attentively. It is written that “a great wind blew the water back” just as he says and God accomplished his task by using the means he created – wind, water etc etc. I imagine God can do anything at all but he usually uses whatever he can from the forces on earth to accomplish his tasks. Its quite amazing actually. If anyone attended the Easter Vigil I hope you were as blessed as I was at this most amazing and awesome experience. Happy Easter!!
 
Doesn’t really make much difference, and I’m not sure what’s new about his claims. I’ve heard all this before, I think.

Here are some other things to see:
catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9903chap.asp
catholicknight.blogspot.com/2009/04/jesus-christ-died-on-friday.html
catholic-convert.com/wp-content/uploads/3Days3Nights.pdf
goodnewsaboutgod.com/resurrection/res1.htm
doig.net/Biblical_Archaeology.htm
bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htm

I don’t endorse all of those sites. I think at least one of them is venomously anti-Catholic elsewhere. But they get into the discussion of differing dates.

Also be sure to check out the Catholic Encyclopedia on the topic (NewAdvent.org)
 
Regarding the actual date of the Last Supper - passover meal, Judiasm itself was divided over dates. Thos in control of the Temple followed a lunar calendar where feast days fell differen days each year while Essenes and the Qumran community preferred a solar calander in which feasts fell on the same day every year. Passover would have always been on Tuesday night using the solar calendar. The traditional site of the Last Supper lies within the Essene quarter of Jerusalem.

There is an extensive essay on the biblican contradtions about the date of the passover meal in the Ignatius Study Bible New Testament Edition pg 188 (hardcover version) titled “When Did Jesus Celebrate the Last Supper?”

-Tim-
 
Regarding the actual date of the Last Supper - passover meal, Judiasm itself was divided over dates. Thos in control of the Temple followed a lunar calendar where feast days fell differen days each year while Essenes and the Qumran community preferred a solar calander in which feasts fell on the same day every year. Passover would have always been on Tuesday night using the solar calendar. The traditional site of the Last Supper lies within the Essene quarter of Jerusalem.

There is an extensive essay on the biblican contradtions about the date of the passover meal in the Ignatius Study Bible New Testament Edition pg 188 (hardcover version) titled “When Did Jesus Celebrate the Last Supper?”

What is your source for saying the Essenes used to solar Calendar?

-Tim-
 
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Ignatius Catholic Study Bible, New Testament, Second Catholic Edition RSV
Essay: “When Did Jesus Celebrate the Last Supper”, Page 188

That’s the big, black, hardcover one.

I do not say that the Essenes followed a solar calendar. I know very little about the subject. I simply mentioned the the essay (which states it as fact) as a point of conversation; one possible solution to the apparent contradiction between the synoptic gospels and John’s gospel with regard to the timing of the last supper. The essay also puts forth other possibilities for discrepancies in the timing of the last supper and is worth reading if you can get your hands on it.

This subject comes up once in a while, usually by people who want to deny the Eucharist or who are trying to disprove Christianity based on “Mistakes” in the Bible. My intent was simply to illustrate that the so called mistakes are not insurmountable.

-Tim-
 
Ignatius Catholic Study Bible, New Testament, Second Catholic Edition RSV
Essay: “When Did Jesus Celebrate the Last Supper”, Page 188

That’s the big, black, hardcover one.

I do not say that the Essenes followed a solar calendar. I know very little about the subject. I simply mentioned the the essay (which states it as fact) as a point of conversation; one possible solution to the apparent contradiction between the synoptic gospels and John’s gospel with regard to the timing of the last supper. The essay also puts forth other possibilities for discrepancies in the timing of the last supper and is worth reading if you can get your hands on it.

This subject comes up once in a while, usually by people who want to deny the Eucharist or who are trying to disprove Christianity based on “Mistakes” in the Bible. My intent was simply to illustrate that the so called mistakes are not insurmountable.

-Tim-
idk if you watched the video but this guy addressed this issue about timing of last supper he said they used different calendars. So they were on the same day but for 3 of them that was the last supper and one it wasn’t.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=Yv5XZ9GPpUs

min 0-7 looks at this

also he looks at the idea that the star that showed were Christ was was a comet

then he talks about the parting of the sea.

then the burning bush

do you think this guy is correct or is he way off?

sorry I can’t say more got to head to mass be back after
Firstly, read the Bible, do not watch youtube for information about Jesus Christ.

Secondly, satan wants us to believe that he died on a different day because one you start to change your mind about one thing of Jesus’ life you will start to look at everything else in the same way and this will lead to ruin.

Thirdly, if the Gospels say Friday and they knew Jesus and modern scientists are saying Thursday, almost 2,000 years later, which should you believe?

Jesus died on Good Friday.
 
Firstly, read the Bible, do not watch youtube for information about Jesus Christ.

Secondly, satan wants us to believe that he died on a different day because one you start to change your mind about one thing of Jesus’ life you will start to look at everything else in the same way and this will lead to ruin.

Thirdly, if the Gospels say Friday and they knew Jesus and modern scientists are saying Thursday, almost 2,000 years later, which should you believe?

Jesus died on Good Friday.
Amen.
 
Firstly, read the Bible, do not watch youtube for information about Jesus Christ.

Secondly, satan wants us to believe that he died on a different day because one you start to change your mind about one thing of Jesus’ life you will start to look at everything else in the same way and this will lead to ruin.

Thirdly, if the Gospels say Friday and they knew Jesus and modern scientists are saying Thursday, almost 2,000 years later, which should you believe?

Jesus died on Good Friday.
did you watch the video?

the guy claimed that the supper was Wednesday

and he was crucified on Friday.

He changes the date of the last supper not the crucifixion
 
did you watch the video?

the guy claimed that the supper was Wednesday

and he was crucified on Friday.

He changes the date of the last supper not the crucifixion
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Does it really matter which day? It might according to scripture. But I understand that two sects of the same religion celebrated Passover on different days. And it does make sense that all the things that happened after the Last Supper probably would have taken a lot longer than 24 hours or less as the you tube video points out. The most important thing is that we know that Jesus DID die on the cross and rose again on the THIRD day. I don’t think anyone can truly refute the gospels – no matter how hard Satan tries to dispute the facts. Comparing the gospels to written history so far there hasn’t been anyone known to establish that they (gospels) do not reflect the history recorded or prove to be tall tales. Whatever the author of the book in question was writing about has already been discussed probably centuries ago and even up until now.
 
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Does it really matter which day?
your right it doesn’t
The most important thing is that we know that Jesus DID die on the cross and rose again on the THIRD day.
Amen
I don’t think anyone can truly refute the gospels – no matter how hard Satan tries to dispute the facts. Comparing the gospels to written history so far there hasn’t been anyone known to establish that they (gospels) do not reflect the history recorded or prove to be tall tales. Whatever the author of the book in question was writing about has already been discussed probably centuries ago and even up until now.
I know you are right about the tall tale and history stuff but I’ve talked to many atheist and seen them debate and lots of them seem to say this stuff never happened.

but IDK if anyone in the academic field has taken the side that Christ didn’t exist.

but this is for another time and place.
 
I thought the calendar difference had more to do with the reckoning of days, whether a day ends and begins at sundown or at sunrise?

The more important facts are that Jesus died on a Friday and rose on Sunday morning. There are Christians out there trying to refute that, because they try to force the events into an exact literal 3 days and 3 nights (72 hours) in the grave, mutilating the bulk of the accounts to fit one allegorical mention of Christ’s time in the earth being like Jonah’s time in the whale.

What’s more important, thematically, is that Jesus had to die at the time the Paschal lamb was being sacrificed, had to be taken down with some haste before the Sabbath where no one could work (in order to have the lance and not the broken bones so that he would be an unblemished lamb, and in order that the women would have to return Sunday morning to finish treating the body). And then he had to remain in the tomb on the day of rest, as we all rest and await, our lamps lit like the virgins at vigil, faithful in expectation even as we feel abandoned like Christ felt abandoned.

For Jesus, the New Adam who makes all things new, had to bring about his New Creation by his resurrection on the First Day of the week, not the last, when God rested. Thus, we celebrate the New Creation just as God began his creation on the first day.

Themes like these are important witnesses to the divine authorship and action of God, and aids to our understanding and relationship with him. If the timing of things does not violate the truth embodied in the message, then it is more incidental concern.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=Yv5XZ9GPpUs

min 0-7 looks at this

also he looks at the idea that the star that showed were Christ was was a comet

then he talks about the parting of the sea.

then the burning bush

do you think this guy is correct or is he way off?

sorry I can’t say more got to head to mass be back after
*also he looks at the idea that the star that showed were Christ was was a comet *

Rubbish.

*do you think this guy is correct or is he way off? *

He is way off.
 
*also he looks at the idea that the star that showed were Christ was was a comet *

Rubbish.

*do you think this guy is correct or is he way off? *

He is way off.
why do you think the comet theory isn’t correct?
 
why do you think the comet theory isn’t correct?
God can do what He wants and is able to do what He wants.

God put a star into the sky for them to follow.

Do you believe that God waited for a comet to be in the right place at the right time, outside of His control before Jesus was born? Do you believe that a comet can stop in the sky above where Jesus was born?

You have to look at things like God is able to do anything which He is and not look at things in a modern sense that says it has to abide by scientific laws.
 
In Vol 2 of Jesus of Nazareth, the Pope leaves open the date of Jesus’s last supper. He considers the mean Jesus’s Passover, even if it was not the Jewish date of the Passover.

He says the events of Jesus’ arrest,etc. seem very compressed in the gospel accounts.

privately I expressed the same opinion years ago, that if Jesus said such and such meal was a Passover, then it was. I have since come to learn of the discrepancies mentioned in the previous posts.

The Pope also attributes the words of the institution of the Eucharist to Jesus, which some (of course) have challenged. Benedict speculates that nobody else could have done that. Nobody else had any reason to do anything like that. His argument is persuasive.

Scott Hahn’s Vol 6 of Letter and Spirit discusses inerrancy of the Bible, well, ad nauseam. The volume also includes the Church’s guidelines for interpreting scripture, of which the Pope’s Jesus of Nazareth books are considered a first class example.

The first rules of interpretation take scripture to be inspired and truthful, as God is their ultimate author. But, the books of scripture have a human author as well, and we have to take into account the mode of expression of the ancient writers in expressing what God wanted to teach.
 
So a new book says the official record is wrong. My question: WERE THEY THERE???😉 It’s worth asking.
 
God can do what He wants and is able to do what He wants.

God put a star into the sky for them to follow.

Do you believe that God waited for a comet to be in the right place at the right time, outside of His control before Jesus was born? Do you believe that a comet can stop in the sky above where Jesus was born?

You have to look at things like God is able to do anything which He is and not look at things in a modern sense that says it has to abide by scientific laws.
that’s kinda a bad argument, cause if God can put a star anywhere he wants in the sky couldn’t he put a comet anywhere he wants in the sky. It is possible the writers of the gospels though the comet was a star. While I don’t really have much of an opinion on this, it is very possible that it could be like that.

They guy explained it very well you should go back and watch the video.
 
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Does it really matter which day? It might according to scripture. But I understand that two sects of the same religion celebrated Passover on different days. And it does make sense that all the things that happened after the Last Supper probably would have taken a lot longer than 24 hours or less as the you tube video points out…
Hagan, in “Passover” and “Fires”, argues that things happened quickly after the last supper because Caiaphas belatedly learned that the Syrian President/Legate Lucius Vitellius was making a “surprise” trip to Jerusalem for the Passover.

Caiaphas wanted Jesus, a troublemaker, out of the way.

Vitellius had the power to fire Caiaphas (and Pilate) and even shut down the Second Temple if he wanted to.
 
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