"New" Deadly Sins? What's Up?

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I want to know: Is this really an official Church pronouncement? Or simply one Archbishop’s emphasizing the need for deeper self-examination in these modern times in regards to current issues?

Not that I disagree with the vices mentioned (I love that the Church, or any of her children, is/are making a real point to clarify things and call for societal reform.)

Thanks in advance!
 
Informed catholics will find nothing new about this list of grave matter. These things have been considered gravely wrong for years, maybe even decades. Strange that the news outlets and the good archbishop is just now getting around to giving forth an utterance on the matter. Perhaps because there are Catholics in our pews who don’t know better.
 
CapIV said:
These responses by NYTimes readers are somewhat depressing. I posted a response six hours ago but i doesn’t seem to have been approved. Probably was too pro-Catholic.

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/seven-more-sins-thanks-to-vatican/index.html?hp

Non of these should surprise anybody who knows anything about the Catholic Church.
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Wow! Some of those responses are down-right disturbing and show a stunning level of ignorance. It looks like the majority of these people believe all of the worlds problems could be fixed with birth control and a bankrupt Vatican!
 
Sometimes I get depressed by the amount of ignorance and hate in the modern world.
 
Wonder when they going to update the Catechism of the Catholic Church in order to (name removed by moderator)ut these new 7 deadly sins.

These “sins” are nothing new. It has always been considered wrong. I always knew that taking drugs is wrong! 😃
 
btnewgent said:
Wow! Some of those responses are down-right disturbing and show a stunning level of ignorance. It looks like the majority of these people believe all of the worlds problems could be fixed with birth control and a bankrupt Vatican!
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More anti-Catholics. Those responses shows that are still many people who truly hate the Catholic Church (most I believe aren’t even Christians); always passing venom like Satan. These people were 100% ignorant. But at the same time, I feel o.k. Christ said that His followers will be persecuted! It happen to the Apostles, to the Early Christians and will continue till our Lord comes back.
 
There’s nothing new under the sun, (Sirach) (From the book in the Bible, not Star Trek) But just as looting and pillaging the surrounding villages then burning them down and salting the land is not a sin we are likely to commit anymore, and releasing toxins into the air that acidify the rain and destroy entire eco systems does pretty much the same thing. The Church has stopped calling the perpertrators the barbarian hordes and now calls them corporate executives…
 
We were discussing this on another forum I frequent. General consensus is that these are just application of the “original” 7 sins to our modern lives.

Here’s what someone else posted there:
I would say that the “seven sins” are still the core issues and this “new list” is just the outworkings of those 7 sins in our lives. Almost all of the 7 sins can bring about these items in the new list… but here is how I would align them.
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sloth: polluting the environment, causing social injustice, causing poverty
envy: becoming obscenely wealthy, causing social injustice, causing poverty
gluttony: polluting the environment, taking drugs, becoming obscenely wealthy, causing social injustice, causing poverty
greed: becoming obscenely wealthy, carrying out experiments on humans, causing social injustice, causing poverty
lust: taking drugs, becoming obscenely wealthy, causing social injustice, causing poverty
wrath: causing social injustice, causing poverty
pride: genetic modification, carrying out experiments on humans, causing poverty
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Being wealthy isn’t that bad as long as you are not influenced by greed. For example, George Soros is not influenced by greed and I admire him as I do not discern any greed within him:
The main difference between me and other people who have amassed this kind of money is that I am primarily interested in ideas, and I don’t have much personal use for money. But I hate to think what would have happened if I hadn’t made money: My ideas would not have gotten much play.
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Soros, however, uses his wealth to promote social justice. Wealth is not bad in and of itself.

But regarding the Catholic’s position on birth control, a “Randall Parker” had this to say:
Bad Catholic Church! Bad! Bad! Bad! Your position on contraceptives is irresponsible. Change your position. Human population growth isn’t going to stop without contraceptives. Continued human population growth is the road to ruin.
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More anti-Catholics. Those responses shows that are still many people who truly hate the Catholic Church (most I believe aren’t even Christians); always passing venom like Satan. These people were 100% ignorant. But at the same time, I feel o.k. Christ said that His followers will be persecuted! It happen to the Apostles, to the Early Christians and will continue till our Lord comes back.
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Looks like someone has developed a persecution complex.
 
You’re pretty ignorant if you can’t recognize how rampant anti-Catholicism is.

The way I see it, these seven social sins are more a wake up call to priests than anything. I think probably the Vatican is getting sick of priests who rationalize and advocate the use of birth control, or stem cell research, or who tell their parishioners that unfettered capitalism is ok. Because these certainly aren’t new at all. I am actually surprised this got so much media attention at all. I suppose it is just because it condemned doing harm to the environment specifically. But that isn’t new either. So I dunno.
 
ribozyme’s remarks about birth control, set me off on a little digression. First of all it is not birth control and family planning that the Church rails against. It is the use of contraceptives. Hook that up with the sin of polluting one’s environment and we see recently some unexpected fallout from contraceptive use, our waste water, even though treated, is filling our surface waters with drugs which have been shown to have a negative effect on wildlife, for example trout in the streams around Denver Colorado.

I seem to pick up a vibration that many women in their fertile years are beginning to understand that “the pill” does have some nasty side effects, at least for some people and so they are turning to other means, one of which is NFP even for those who are not Catholic. I guess for the desperate young ones who don’t wish to “pay the natural price” of sexual activity, the pill or something similar is still considered a girl’s best friend. One thing they don’t understand is that by starting so young and continuing the use of these powerful drugs into middle age they are increasing their overall exposure to eventual problems. The statistics catch up with people. Maybe a person can dodge one or two bullets, but when someone keeps exposing themselves to the shooter, he will likely eventually plug you.

The anti-pollution connection between contraception and pollution reminds me of the days when I and my teenage buddies walked along the Chicago Drainage Canal and shot with BB guns at the “white eels” To the uninitiated these are flushed condoms. I suppose now they get filtered out in the waste water plants, but back then they were a prolific species. 👍
 
St_Aloysius said:
Not that I disagree with the vices mentioned (I love that the Church, or any of her children, is/are making a real point to clarify things and call for societal reform.)
Thanks in advance!
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How can Pope declare with a straight face that assaults on the environment are sins, without at the same time addressing the problem of our burgeoning human population, which is pushing many species over the brink into extinction?
 
drpmjhess said:
How can Pope declare with a straight face that assaults on the environment are sins, without at the same time addressing the problem of our burgeoning human population, which is pushing many species over the brink into extinction?
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how about because overpopulation is a myth? If you wanted, you could fit the entire population in the state of texas.

Look at Germany, which is one of the densest populated countries, but is ridiculously clean, green, and efficient. As opposed to America or China which are less densely populated and contribute more pollutants than anyone else? It all has to do with the will of the people and their effort to stay green. It has nothing to do with “there are just too many people in the world”.
 
drpmjhess said:
How can Pope declare with a straight face that assaults on the environment are sins, without at the same time addressing the problem of our burgeoning human population, which is pushing many species over the brink into extinction?
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The problem is that in the book of Genesis, God commanded Adam and Eve to “go forth and multiply.” Having children isn’t a sin.
 
I guess the Pope will have to give up his gas guzzling pope-mobile armored car or risk eternal damnation. Good enough for him.

Matthew
 
drpmjhess said:
How can Pope declare with a straight face that assaults on the environment are sins, without at the same time addressing the problem of our burgeoning human population, which is pushing many species over the brink into extinction?
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And now you get the rest of the story!!!

The Pope is the only world leader who for decades has helped us stave off human extinction from our own sexual lust (sex without responsibility) and the resultant surgical and chemical killing. All covered up by the overpopulation excuse. Some governments have realized it was dead wrong and are now paying people to have babies.

His straight face is the only one we have seen.

John
 
On another forum where I post, they are saying that lust has been removed as one of the deadly sins & in it’s place is the sin of being wealthy??

I said that the Vatican was against systems whereby the rich get their wealth through the explotation of the poor, and that’s what the new sin was speaking of.

They claim not true - that the Vatican is just after all the rich people’s money. (So stupid - I know).

My question - is there anything offical I can quote that says that lust is still a sin, and also something that explains that it’s not being “rich” that is the sin???

Thanks much, God bless.
 
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