New Evangelization

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Emerite said:
Quick Cat,

My bible says, at 1 Corinthians 15: 1-3, “Now I’m reminding you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you … Through it you are also ’being’ saved if you hold fast to the word I preached to you,…” [Emphasis added].

I believe there’s a difference to “being” saved and “saved.” It’s like saying “I’m being married in November”(still single, but in the process of getting married) vs. I was married in November (actually married).

God bless.
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Douay-Rheims
Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
[1] Now I make known unto you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand; [2] By which also you are saved, if you hold fast after what manner I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all, which I also received: how that Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures: [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day, according to the scriptures:
QC
 
Cat_Herder said:
Then why are you interpreting those Scriptures to mean “believe or else?” Doesn’t that mean that someone earns their salvation by having a correct belief system?
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Not at all. No one can “earn” his salvation [Eph. 2:8,9]. Believing is not a work it is showing faith in a God “who can not lie.” There is only one name given to men under heaven by which we must be saved - The LORD Jesus Christ [Acts 4:12]. He told His Jewish followers, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me” [John 14:6].
QC
 
I think what we’re trying to say is “merit” salvation, not “earn” it. Yes, ideally people believe their works should reflect their “perfect” love of God, and not “imperfect” love of God – fear of God’s wrath.

Will read more and attend church programs to learn more about the “Year of Evangelization.”
 
Quick Cat,

I checked out my old 1951 Douay-Rheims family bible, with imprimatur by the Archbishop of Chicago, which reads at 1 Corinthians 15:1-3:

“Now I recall to your minds, brethren, the gospel that I preached to you, which also you received, wherein also you stand, through which also you are ‘being’ saved, if you hold it fast, as I preached it to you – unless you have believed to no purpose…”

Again, to me “being” saved and saved have different meanings. Maybe the single word “saved” is in 1 Corinthians in the King James version - will look this up. Let me know where it actually says “saved” anywhere in the Douay-Rheims Bible, and I might be convinced.

All I could find in my Bible about being saved is at James 2: 14-17, that states “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? … So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

I respect you because you’re a child of God, and pray that you can also enjoy peace, love and contentment.
 
 
Emerite said:
Quick Cat,

I checked out my old 1951 Douay-Rheims family bible, with imprimatur by the Archbishop of Chicago, which reads at 1 Corinthians 15:1-3:

“Now I recall to your minds, brethren, the gospel that I preached to you, which also you received, wherein also you stand, through which also you are ‘being’ saved, if you hold it fast, as I preached it to you – unless you have believed to no purpose…”

Again, to me “being” saved and saved have different meanings. Maybe the single word “saved” is in 1 Corinthians in the King James version - will look this up. Let me know where it actually says “saved” anywhere in the Douay-Rheims Bible, and I might be convinced.

All I could find in my Bible about being saved is at James 2: 14-17, that states “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? … So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

I respect you because you’re a child of God, and pray that you can also enjoy peace, love and contentment.
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Thanks! Here are the translations from the online Douay-Rheims and the New Jerusalem Bibles:

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[1] Now I make known unto you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand; [2] By which also you are saved, if you hold fast after what manner I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all, which I also received: how that Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures: [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day, according to the scriptures: [5] And that he was seen by Cephas; and after that by the eleven.

1 I want to make quite clear to you, brothers, what the message of the gospel that I preached to you is; you accepted it and took your stand on it,
2 and you are saved by it, if you keep to the message I preached to you; otherwise your coming to believe was in vain.
3 The tradition I handed on to you in the first place, a tradition which I had myself received, was that Christ died for our sins, in accordance with the scriptures,

4 and that he was buried; and that on the third day, he was raised to life, in accordance with the scriptures;
5 and that he appeared to Cephas; and later to the Twelve;

Inre to James - we must be careful to “rightly divide the Word of Thruth.” To whom is James writing? The 12 tribes scattered abroad - Israel. James was written very early during the period covered by the book of Acts. He is writing to the Jews of the dispersion. They were still under the Law of Moses at this time. Notice James 2:2 “assembly” is sungogue - synagogue. Compare Paul writing to the church in Romans 4:4,5 and Ephesians 2:8,9. It is true, of course, that we are saved “unto good works” [Ephesians 2:10], but not by good works. So faith in the Lord Jesus Christ saves us and we are then His ambassadors [2 Cor. 5:16-21] and as such we are to preach the word of reconciliation. BTW, the moment we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ we are both saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemtpion of our body [Ephesians 1:13; 4:30].
Grace and Peace to you my friend,
QC
 
I feel so many of my catholic freinds views and actions are so contrary to the church and ive been evangelizing a bit by sharing my own expierence and i pray that it will change them
 
I think at Ephesians 1:13 “were sealed with the promised holy Spirit” means a first installment – meaning like making a down payment on something in layaway (one has hope of possessing the coat on layaway, yet does not yet “own” the coat). Catholics do profess that “believing in him (Christ)” is a necessary first step of other “installments” towards our salvation.

Do you believe that anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal savior, yet does not live according to God’s Ten Commandments affects their salvation? Would you consider such a sinner an ambassador of Christ (a diplomatic agent of the highest rank)? Or would you believe that someone who knows, loves and serves God as a likely candidate for heaven? And if one’s actions are unimportant towards our salvation, why did God give Moses the Ten Commandments to obey? Might not God judge those who did, or did not, respond to his commands?

“He who endures to the end will be saved.” Matthew 24:13.

And referring to good deeds, also read Matthew 25:31-46, which states “…Come, you who are blessed by my father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me… And the king will say to them in reply, “Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of the least brothers of mine, you did for me…And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

I do believe that God has abundantly provided for our salvation, but has not assured our salvation. As the Bible says, I am already saved by Christ’s redemption (Rom. 8:24; Eph.2:5-8), and have hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9-10; 1 Cor. 3:12-15; however I am working out my salvation with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ. (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11-13)

QC, for someone claiming to have no religion, you evidently must read your Bible. God bless.
 
Emerite said:
I think at Ephesians 1:13 “were sealed with the promised holy Spirit” means a first installment – meaning like making a down payment on something in layaway (one has hope of possessing the coat on layaway, yet does not yet “own” the coat). Catholics do profess that “believing in him (Christ)” is a necessary first step of other “installments” towards our salvation.

Do you believe that anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal savior, yet does not live according to God’s Ten Commandments affects their salvation? Would you consider such a sinner an ambassador of Christ (a diplomatic agent of the highest rank)? Or would you believe that someone who knows, loves and serves God as a likely candidate for heaven? And if one’s actions are unimportant towards our salvation, why did God give Moses the Ten Commandments to obey? Might not God judge those who did, or did not, respond to his commands?

“He who endures to the end will be saved.” Matthew 24:13.

And referring to good deeds, also read Matthew 25:31-46, which states “…Come, you who are blessed by my father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me… And the king will say to them in reply, “Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of the least brothers of mine, you did for me…And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

I do believe that God has abundantly provided for our salvation, but has not assured our salvation. As the Bible says, I am already saved by Christ’s redemption (Rom. 8:24; Eph.2:5-8), and have hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9-10; 1 Cor. 3:12-15; however I am working out my salvation with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ. (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11-13)

QC, for someone claiming to have no religion, you evidently must read your Bible. God bless.
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Hi Emerite: No, I am not religious, but I am a very serious Bible student. I and saved and sealed and will be caught up shortly.
Ephesian 1:13-14 is very clear that the seal is “until the redemption of the purchased possession.” Ephesians 4:30 reinforces this truth, “…….by which ye are sealed until the day of redemption.” 2 Cor. 1:22 offers further assurance of our seal – “Who hath sealed us……”
The Ten Commandments were given to Israel in particular to show them how sinful they were. Notice what Paul writes in Ephesians 2:15 – “Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances……” And in Colossians 2:14 – “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that WAS AGAINST US , which was CONTRARY to us, and took it out of the way, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS.”
Paul, our apostle [Romans 11:13] never tells the church to “keep the commandments.” No one has ever been able to keep them. Paul wrote the epistle to the Galatians to refute those who wanted to put us under the law. Peter called the Law a yoke, “……which neither we nor our fathers were able to bear.” Acts 15:10. BTW, Paul repeats every one of the Ten Commandments, but one. Do you know which one?
Matthew 24:13 is speaking to those Jews who endure the tribulation. If they endure they will be saved out of it. Matthew 25:31-46 pertains to our Lord’s 2nd coming to earth to establish His kingdom for Israel and the nations. Notice that this kingdom was “…prepared for YOU [Israel] FROM the foundation of the world, vs 34. By way of contrast the members of the Body of Christ were “Chosen in Him [the Lord Jesus Christ] BEFORE the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4. The Body of Christ has been caught up long before the events of Matthew 24 and 25.
Emerite, salvation is not a series of installments. The Bible simply does not teach this. We hear the gospel of out salvation [1 Cor. 15:1-4], we believe, we are sealed. This seal can’t be broken by me and God won’t break it.
Grace and peace,
QC
 
I’m confused about this also…so let’s do a little workshop, see what we can come up with!
I am a catholic, I do the minimum, I go to church on(most) Sundays, and Holy days. I have no prayer life outside of Sunday Mass. I haven’t been to confession in two years, but still receive communion on Sundays…
Alright, evangelize me…let’s see what we come up with!!
 
I’m going to start with the most important thing first. First is to determine if you have any unconfessed mortal sin in your life. How do you determine that?

“For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: ‘Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.’” (CCC 1857)

For example, if you know it’s wrong to rob a bank but you go out and rob a bank, that’s a mortal sin. BUT if you know it’s wrong to rob a bank and someone puts a gun to your head and MAKES you rob a bank, it’s not a mortal sin.

If you determine you do have unconfessed mortal sin in your life, please, I beg you, do not receive Communion until you have been to confession. To receive when not in a state of grace (with unconfessed mortal sin) is to commit the sin of sacriledge, which is a mortal sin.

Second, begin to learn your faith. Start small. At flocknote.com you can sign up to receive daily readings of the Catechism by email. They take less than 5 minutes to read. Reading the Catechism is kind of like reading a “how to” book. It’s the descriptions of not just what the Church teaches, but also why. Do the daily readings listed in the church bulletin. Again, it only takes about 5 minutes to read. Think especially about what you read in the Gospel. The Gospel readings introduce you to Jesus.

Say a prayer. If you are comfortable praying a decade of the rosary, that’s a good place to start. Just type “the rosary” in your search box and you can pick any one of a dozen sites that will lead you through it. Again, about 5 minutes of your time.

Before you go to bed at night, and any other time during the day, just simply say, “I love you, God.” Or, “I love you, Jesus.”

It’s not about doing a bunch of stuff, (though I’ve listed a bunch of stuff) it’s about building a relationship with Jesus. The deeper you love him, the more you will want to know him, and the more you know him, the deeper you love him. That’s why the New Evangelization. To help people know and love Jesus. With all of their heart, all of their soul, all of their mind and all of their strength.

May we all reach the point where everything is only all about Jesus.
Kris
 
klm120861 said:
I’m going to start with the most important thing first. First is to determine if you have any unconfessed mortal sin in your life. How do you determine that?

“For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: ‘Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.’” (CCC 1857)

For example, if you know it’s wrong to rob a bank but you go out and rob a bank, that’s a mortal sin. BUT if you know it’s wrong to rob a bank and someone puts a gun to your head and MAKES you rob a bank, it’s not a mortal sin.

If you determine you do have unconfessed mortal sin in your life, please, I beg you, do not receive Communion until you have been to confession. To receive when not in a state of grace (with unconfessed mortal sin) is to commit the sin of sacriledge, which is a mortal sin.

Second, begin to learn your faith. Start small. At flocknote.com you can sign up to receive daily readings of the Catechism by email. They take less than 5 minutes to read. Reading the Catechism is kind of like reading a “how to” book. It’s the descriptions of not just what the Church teaches, but also why. Do the daily readings listed in the church bulletin. Again, it only takes about 5 minutes to read. Think especially about what you read in the Gospel. The Gospel readings introduce you to Jesus.

Say a prayer. If you are comfortable praying a decade of the rosary, that’s a good place to start. Just type “the rosary” in your search box and you can pick any one of a dozen sites that will lead you through it. Again, about 5 minutes of your time.

Before you go to bed at night, and any other time during the day, just simply say, “I love you, God.” Or, “I love you, Jesus.”

It’s not about doing a bunch of stuff, (though I’ve listed a bunch of stuff) it’s about building a relationship with Jesus. The deeper you love him, the more you will want to know him, and the more you know him, the deeper you love him. That’s why the New Evangelization. To help people know and love Jesus. With all of their heart, all of their soul, all of their mind and all of their strength.

May we all reach the point where everything is only all about Jesus.
Kris
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LOVE the idea about the daily readings of the catechism!! Excellent way to evangelize…didn’t even know that exsisted!! I give you a way high score on evangelizing:yeah_me:
 
QuickCat said:
So faith in the Lord Jesus Christ saves us
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Where in the Bible does it say that faith saves anyone? “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved” does not mean that the person is saved simply by the fact of believing–the fact that the future tense will is used excludes any possibility of salvation happening “the moment [you] believe.” OK QuickCat, go to the grocery store and bring me some apples and you will be eating an apple pie. That doesn’t mean that’s all you have to do to get an apple pie. What about the crust, the filling, and actually baking it?
BTW, the moment we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ we are both saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemtpion of our body [Ephesians 1:13; 4:30].
Grace and Peace to you my friend,
QC
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You’re ignoring Hebrews 10:26-29 among many other things.
 
Cat_Herder said:
Where in the Bible does it say that faith saves anyone? “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved” does not mean that the person is saved simply by the fact of believing–the fact that the future tense will is used excludes any possibility of salvation happening “the moment [you] believe.” OK QuickCat, go to the grocery store and bring me some apples and you will be eating an apple pie. That doesn’t mean that’s all you have to do to get an apple pie. What about the crust, the filling, and actually baking it?

You’re ignoring Hebrews 10:26-29 among many other things.
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Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast

Paul says that we are saved through faith. And he rules out works for salvation. He does go on in verse 10 to tell us that we are saved unto good works.

QC
 
QuickCat said:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast

Paul says that we are saved through faith. And he rules out works for salvation. He does go on in verse 10 to tell us that we are saved unto good works.

QC
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Not of works…OF THE LAW
Paul explains that Jesus came for not just Jews, but gentiles also!! Those outside the Law…outside of clean and unclean food for example. Outside of the law of cimcumsion as another example.
Paul’s letter to the Romans is a powerful exposition of the doctrine of the supremecy of Christ and of faith in Christ as the source of all salvation. A plea to the Christians of Rome to hold fast to that faith. They are to resist any pressure put on them to accept a doctrine of salvation through works of the LAW.
 
maryj said:
Not of works…OF THE LAW
Paul explains that Jesus came for not just Jews, but gentiles also!! Those outside the Law…outside of clean and unclean food for example. Outside of the law of cimcumsion as another example.
Paul’s letter to the Romans is a powerful exposition of the doctrine of the supremecy of Christ and of faith in Christ as the source of all salvation. A plea to the Christians of Rome to hold fast to that faith. They are to resist any pressure put on them to accept a doctrine of salvation through works of the LAW.
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Mary: Not of any works! Of the LAW or otherwise! BTW, our Lord’s earthly ministry [1st Advent] was “…ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” See Matthew 15:24 and Romans 15:8. What was the promise made to the [Jewish] fathers that Paul mentions in Romans 15:8?
Grace and Peace,
QC
 
QuickCat said:
Mary: Not of any works! Of the LAW or otherwise!
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Then stop your works of posting on CAF in order to encourage us of doing a work of listening to you. And also stop the work of hijacking this thread on the New Evangelization while you’re at it.
 
Cat_Herder said:
Then stop your works of posting on CAF in order to encourage us of doing a work of listening to you. And also stop the work of hijacking this thread on the New Evangelization while you’re at it.
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Thanks for the good advice. Will do.

1 Cor. 15:1-4

QC
 
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