is it not just possible that the same place could be heaven or hell for" two men looked out of prison bars and one saw muck and the other stars" and could not one man’s meat be anothers poison - twincRest assured that at the end there will be Heaven and hell. And we will all be in one or the other. My option is to choose the path to Heaven and worship and see God forever.
Is it possible that the same place could be heaven or hell - twincHell isn’t going anywhere. The REALLY bad news is that people in Hell will get their bodies back at the end of time also, and the torments of Hell will apply to the spiritual as well as the physical There will be no weeping in Heaven.
I think the destruction of the heavens refers to a destruction of the physical heavens - sky, stars, etc - not the Spiritual Heaven. The Spiritual Heaven and Hell will remain unchanged.so will the old hell be destroyed along with the earth and heavens and will there be no more hell only new heavens and a new earth [see 2 Peter 3:10 & 15] - surely hell must go as also purgatory or else there will be weeping in heaven and heaven would not then be heaven - for an answer see A Travel Guide to Heaven by Anthony DeStefano - twinc
I agree that, compared to Heaven, Hell is microscopic – relatively.My own personal belief is that at the end of time and after the final judgment, Hell will be shrunk to microscopic size. I can’t see much point in having a heaven, when just across the other side of the tracks is hell, with all it’s hideousness.
I think that Black Holes give us a physical example, in that they contain enormous amounts of matter in an infinitely small space.
In other words, out of sight, out of mind, but still terribly real to those inside.
It’s a pretty horrid thought really, especially when you consider its eternal, but that’s my take on it.
ah now free choice - now there is a topic for further discussion - twincWhen you think about it, Hell is really one way God has of honoring man’s dignity: He lets us make free choices.
That’s a philosophical concept which is not substantiated by scripture.is it not just possible that the same place could be heaven or hell for" two men looked out of prison bars and one saw muck and the other stars" and could not one man’s meat be anothers poison - twinc
As I recall, C. S. Lewis described Hell as infinitesimal in The Great Divorce.My own personal belief is that at the end of time and after the final judgment, Hell will be shrunk to microscopic size. I can’t see much point in having a heaven, when just across the other side of the tracks is hell, with all it’s hideousness.
I think that Black Holes give us a physical example, in that they contain enormous amounts of matter in an infinitely small space.
In other words, out of sight, out of mind, but still terribly real to those inside.
It’s a pretty horrid thought really, especially when you consider its eternal, but that’s my take on it.
Yes, he had his inmates on release from Purgatory come up through a microscopic crack in the ground in a heraldically coloured bus, which then expanded to fit its new surroundings, if I remember rightly. Half of them preferred to go back to Hell. They found heaven too daunting.As I recall, C. S. Lewis described Hell as infinitesimal in The Great Divorce.
strangely it is,so seek and ye shall find or watch this space - twincThat’s a philosophical concept which is not substantiated by scripture.
for some or many Catholics the Catechism is our source of elightement,and so as Catholics it is required that we accept that heaven is a place and also that hell is a place but nothing is against the acceptance that these two places are in the same place for they cannot be anywhere else -twincstrangely it is,so seek and ye shall find or watch this space - twinc
Nag, nag, nag.for some or many Catholics the Catechism is our source of elightement,and so as Catholics it is required that we accept that heaven is a place and also that hell is a place but nothing is against the acceptance that these two places are in the same place for they cannot be anywhere else -twinc
the answer is not as simple as you seem to have accepted or have us accept - Lazarus was not in heaven for heaven was shut as Christ had not yet died to open it up and secondly what is a place and where would you place it and thirdly there is no mention of up or down - twincNag, nag, nag.
I would say, since Jesus says (Luke 16, 19 -31) that Lazarus from the bosom of Abraham could look down and see the rich man who scorned him in torments, that Heaven and Perdition are two different places.
From the Revised Standard Version - Second Catholic Edition of the Holy Bible, Luke 16, 22 and 23: 22 “…the rich man also died and was buried; 23. and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom.”the answer is not as simple as you seem to have accepted or have us accept - Lazarus was not in heaven for heaven was shut as Christ had not yet died to open it up and secondly what is a place and where would you place it and thirdly there is no mention of up or down - twinc