New Indiana law and is marriage a "civil right"?

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Brilliant!
The text of the amended religious-freedom bill, now signed into law, is here. It appears to me that the Arkansas legislature handled the issues better than the Indiana one. The text says that the law should be interpreted consistent with the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act and its judicial interpretation. The federal law has been read to cover businesses and, in most circuits, to cover litigation between private parties if that litigation invokes federal law. Those were the two ways the Indiana law supposedly “expanded” federal law. The Arkansas law seems to retain those features but make it impossible to describe it as more extreme than the federal law.
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This whole issue was a media circus from the beginning. It has degenerated into despicable behavior by gay activists.

What I see is a small minority of homosexual sympathizers and activists focusing on small business in Indiana to send a message to the rest of the country.

I for one, do not agree with antics that force a small business to close its doors due to death threats and demonstrations. I am talking about Memories Pizza shop and the O’Connor family in Walkerton Indiana.

It is time Christians fought back. This was the last straw for me. Today I sent a donation to
gofundme.com/MemoriesPizza. The fund for that family not exceeds $500,000.
They plan to re-open, redecorate and expand. Wonderful!

It is about time that bigoted gay activists learn that despicable activity will only draw good people together and set the gay agenda back a few decades.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
What I see is a small minority of homosexual sympathizers and activists focusing on small business in Indiana to send a message to the rest of the country.
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Unfortunately, the “gay rights” movement has reached a critical mass whereby all “right thinking” people happily join the crusade to prove their righteousness. Christians, by contrast, are either cowed or unwilling to join the mudfest.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Unfortunately, the “gay rights” movement has reached a critical mass whereby all “right thinking” people happily join the crusade to prove their righteousness. Christians, by contrast, are either cowed or unwilling to join the mudfest.
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Well put. So, what to do? Not willing to do what seems a betrayal of our Lord, but not very strong either.
 
What I genuinely don’t understand about the whole thing is, why do they feel the need to FORCE every single small business to conform to the political agenda of a small proportion of the population? It’s not as if Photographer X is the ONLY wedding photographer in the area. If a same-sex couple wants their ceremony photographed, why FORCE Photographer X to take the job, instead of giving their business to Photographer Y who has no moral objections?

I don’t care for Starbucks’ politics, so I buy my coffee and tea from Mystic Monk. I don’t try to force my views on Starbucks; I simply give my business, and my money, to Mystic Monk. In the free market we used to have, this was called “competition”. Mystic Monk may not be about to push Starbucks out of business, but they offer an alternative (or a “choice”, another big buzzword of the far left) for those of us who want to support them and their work – or who just like to drink better coffee and tea.

Just sayin.
 
JimG said:
“The day of the gay bully is well upon us. Do not think you can hide. It is now open season on believing Christians. Where will we get relief from gays and their protectors in government, the media and corporations? That is the question.”crisismagazine.com/2015/indiana-just-full-christian-haters-waiting-hate-gays
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A similar analysis:
Fukuyama defined megalothymia as a compulsive need to feel superior to others. And boy howdy, do we have a problem with megalothymia in America today. Everywhere you look there are moral bullies utterly uninterested in conversation, introspection, or persuasion who are instead hell-bent on grinding down people they don’t like to make themselves feel good. If you took the megalothymia out of Twitter, millions of trolls would throw their smartphones into the ocean.
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AyJSimon said:
Even if it’s not a civil right - it is still something offered to straight couples and denied to gay couples, without a good reason.
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There are many secular reasons against so-called gay “marriage” that have not and cannot be refuted.
 
AyJSimon said:
Even if it’s not a civil right - it is still something offered to straight couples and denied to gay couples, without a good reason.
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This is malarky. Homosxual advocates are uninterested in good reasons. Marriage is not being extended to homosexuals, it’s being redefined for them with no good reason for why it should be redefined one way (e.g. to include homosxual couples) and not another (e.g. polygamy).
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
This is malarky. Homosxual advocates are uninterested in good reasons. Marriage is not being extended to homosexuals, it’s being redefined for them with no good reason for why it should be redefined one way (e.g. to include homosxual couples) and not another (e.g. polygamy).
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That’s right. If pairs of men (say) forming a single household believe the State should support them in that endeavour, they should outline the appropriate elements of support and make make the case.

That is entirely a different matter than claiming a right to “marry”.
 
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