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The youngest daughter of a good friend of my family has left the Catholic Faith for New Life Church.
Among the reasons that she left, that I know of, are the fact that many of her friends went/go to New Life, and her faith was not being challenged by the Catholic Church.

What can you guys tell me about New Life, above the Haggart insanity?

She is going through training to be a missionary, but her parents are in constant contact with various members of the New Life hierarchy. I am praying for her, as are her parents, and many other people.

I have not emailed her back, since she emailed me, because I do not know how to respond. I thought that with some information, I would be better prepared to talk with her.

Danke and God Bless!
 
Hello,
I have not emailed her back, since she emailed me, because I do not know how to respond. I thought that with some information, I would be better prepared to talk with her.
Yeah, they always go after friends and family first. 😉

It would help if we knew what specific questions or points she has emailed to you. All I know about New Life Church is that I think I saw it on an episode of Law & Order the other day. But, if she has a question about the Catholic Church or a point against the Catholic Church, we could probably answer and/or refute it without knowing anything about her particular denomination.
 
All she said was that she was excited about her walk/relationship with Christ. Nothing else.
I wish I had specific things to ask about, but I don’t. I am really just looking for information beyond what the glitzy website gives me.
 
Hello,
All she said was that she was excited about her walk/relationship with Christ. Nothing else.
I wish I had specific things to ask about, but I don’t. I am really just looking for information beyond what the glitzy website gives me.
You could try to squeeze a little more information out of her. Try asking something like “Could you describe your new walk/relationship - how is it so much better than before?”.

From a quick glance at their website - I googled and clicked on one that is based in Colorado Springs, is that it? - and it appears they are a charismatic group. If that is so, you may want to brush up with someone like Saint John of the Cross, who speaks about the dark night and the dangers of having your faith rely on things that the charismatic movement relies on (at least as little as I know about charismatics).
 
The HQ is a huge, and I mean huge facilty about 1/2 mile north of my workplace on the north side of Colorado Springs. The Sunday service is so large, the city redid the highway and stoplights around the entrances a few years ago.

They are more of a community than a strict Sunday church. I think you can even take aerobics there during the week. There is a passion play held there just before easter that attracts many.

What I guess I’m trying to say is that I believe many people are drawn there for social and fellowship reasons.

I also believe they are of the “once-saved, always-saved” variety. The Catholic Answers website (catholic.com) should have all you need to get started if objections are brought forward.
 
Its old, uses old language and is probably out of print. But a book called Enthusiasm by Msgr Ronald Knox is an excellent resource for those caught up in the charismatic movement. Not to slam charismatics, but to point out that the euphoria doesn’t last forver. It’s like mother’s milk - eventually, you need to chew on something.

Advice like this will stick with her when she hits her own first ‘dark night.’ Perhaps thats when she’ll come on back. In the meantime, just hold your own lamp of faith high to contrast markedly with any anti-catholic indoctrination she might be receiving.
 
They seem to keep their Core Values and Beliefs statements vague in order to attract more folks. It really looks innocuous, but this means its emotion-based:
One of the most important things we do at
NewLifeChurch is to come together every week and experience the power of God’s presence. People from different backgrounds and generations join as one to engage in worship as a family. It is there that we are refreshed and realigned. From the place of corporate worship, we go into our homes, schools, and workplaces as carriers of the joy, hope, and life found in presence of God.

…and this means we’re going to sell you something:
That’s what worship is all about. And that’s why the heartbeat of NewLifeWorship is to help people experience the presence of God and develop a life of worship. Every CD, every resource, every facet of our ministry is designed with that end in mind.
So, as you browse this site, keep your heart open. God is near and He wants to engage you in an all-consuming, life-long conversation called worship.

But I think I found clues in each article which I’d like to address:

**Article 1: Encounters with God: The friendship and the fear **

Quote: To drain the awe of God’s holiness from our worship experience is to ultimately cheapen the intimacy of His love.

My response: Loosely translated means, "If you’re bored at your church, if you don’t understand it, if your faith seems stagnant, repressed, or rote, come here.

It’s for people who don’t have a full appreciation for the Eucharist. They do not understand its majesty, it’s glory, or hold any awe for it. (Poor catechesis?) It’s for those who don’t want something that’s time-tested, they want something new, fresh, and exciting. Perhaps those who are seduced into this open-ended religion are simply rebelling.

Remember, as a new member of these churches you get a lot of attention. You are doing the Lord’s work in one of many ministries they have set up. You’ve got new friends, a new lifestyle, and you’re all working for the Lord.

**Quote:**And almost every account shows God or the heavenly messenger reaching out to the human, calming his fear and calling him to relationship.
My response: personal relationship with Christ over everything you’ve been taught.

**Quote:**Sadly, they didn’t understand and rejected the invitation that God had extended.
My response: his means that the Jews are damned, and weren’t God’s chosen people. These current believers are God’s chosen people.

Article 2: Encounters: Defining worship moments

Quote:
I believe in the value of the daily walk with the Lord. But I also believe in positioning ourselves to allow God to bring defining worship moments in our lives, and to facilitate those experiences for our church as worship leaders.
My response: Their worship isn’t structured. It’s centered around finding the sacred in mundane moments. If you follow what we’re telling you, you’re going to have happy moments.

Quote: Worship is not the reward for repentance; worship is the very instrument through which repentance comes. Cleansing is the by-product of worship because as we acknowledge who God is in worship, He responds by making us holy
My response: So they’re saying that it is worship, not reconciliation, not a profound understanding of concupiscence that brings us closer to God. The more we worship, the closer we get to Him.

**Article 3: “The One Thing” **

**Quote:**When we look to the Scriptures to show us the one thing our life is about, we are clearly directed to Christ. The task for us is to give Christ this preeminence in our lives, to allow Him to be the central focus, the organizing force in our life.

[Continued below]
 
[Continued from above]

My response: They took four passages from throughout the Bible and connected them together to prove a point. First, I can’t verify if they believe OSAS, but they are clearly Sola Scriptura. The church leaders are the ones who say that the only way to God is what the Bible says, and they are the ones to tell you what the Bible means and how to apply it.

Article 4: Experts in Love

Quote:
Our churches are experts at many wonderful things. We know how to program services and create interactive experiences. We understand worship teams and volunteer management. We’re proficient at raising money and building new worship centers. We have experts in church growth and city strategies. We have specialists in ‘boomers’, ‘busters’, ‘gen-xers’ ‘millenials’ and whatever generation next is.
My response: Interactive experiences? This supports the idea that God blesses abundantly only those who please Him. They have effectively said, “We make money because God blesses us. We appeal to every generation, because our message is timeless.” They’re a corporation capitalizing on God.

Quote: Some of our churches do not worship extravagantly, because we don’t know how to love each other.
My response: So those who love each other worship extravagantly? Only those who are blessed in your brand of fellowship?

Quote: Worship is about loving God with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength, but it is impossible to enter into this kind of worship and loving relationship with God unless we learn how to love one another.
My response: Is this actually saying that you love OTHERS before you love GOD? Duty is to God first, NOT others. You love God first with all your heart and mind and soul. Loving others will follow after we love God first, because that’s where we get the grace to forgive, to listen, to grow.

Quote: Wonder why worship is not powerful? Look around and see if people love one another.
My response: Worship in what sense should be powerful? Powerful worship as in, “you pray for and get what you want?” Well, God doesn’t make bargains like that. First, that’s not how Catholics understand worship. Second, God’s grace isn’t poured out on a Church based on how much He is entertained choir’s performance. Third, this idea of worship teaches that only those who are happy and fulfilled have found favor with the Lord. The flaw behind this is the belief that those who are suffering have displeased God in some way. There is no room for redemptive suffering. And when people in these churches find you have a run of difficult circumstances, they’re the first to say you’ve done something to bring it on yourself, like Job’s “friends.”

Quote: Worship seems flat and uninspiring? It may not be the musicians, it may be the resounding gong or clanging cymbal you hear coming from the lack of love in your church (I Corinthians 13:1).
My response: Wow. That’s a slam on anywhere people aren’t “happy” by their standards – which would be everyone else to them, no?

Article 5: Song of Acts

Quote:
Worship songs are of no small significance. They stir the emotions of those who hear them; they stay with our memory. But maybe most significant of all, they impart a vision of God to the worshipper.
My response: Emotional stirring is not worship or communion with the Divine.

Quote: There is no abstract worship in the Bible. God is not worshipped as an abstraction, but rather, for His action
My response: This means there are no symbols in this Church. No paschal lamb that bore the sins of the Jews, no Christ as the last Paschal Lamb.
 
The youngest daughter of a good friend of my family has left the Catholic Faith for New Life Church.
Among the reasons that she left, that I know of, are the fact that many of her friends went/go to New Life, and her faith was not being challenged by the Catholic Church.

What can you guys tell me about New Life, above the Haggart insanity?

She is going through training to be a missionary, but her parents are in constant contact with various members of the New Life hierarchy. I am praying for her, as are her parents, and many other people.

I have not emailed her back, since she emailed me, because I do not know how to respond. I thought that with some information, I would be better prepared to talk with her.

Danke and God Bless!
She couldn’t find a closer relationship with Jesus as she has in the Catholic Church. But, trying to show her this is not going to be easy at all. Once (years ago) when I was searching for a new Church to attend outside of the Catholic Faith someone once said to me, “That is like trading gold for silver.” That didn’t change my mind immediately, but it had a huge impact. I will never forget those words. I finally saw how true that statement was. Thank God I’m back home!! Also, if you could show her the different missions we (Catholic’s) are involved with, she might want to be involved within her own religion. You could say that not many Catholics are involved in Mission work and how they desperately need people, ‘cause most Catholic’s are unaware due to a lack of communication. She could start somewhat of her own mission of spreading the word about the need for volunteer’s in Catholic missions, and this would lead other Catholic’s to get excited about helping other’s and teaching them about Jesus’ love and compassion through them. What a great mission that would be.
 
In my experience, MOST of these charistmatic non-denom groups are not pure OSAS…

Challange her on what the Catholic Church teaches and who the Church IS. Those who leave do not know what they left.

Second, sadly, there are Catholics who have never met a Catholic who actually reads and KNOWS the Bible, who HAS a personal relationship with Christ, who has joy and peace. If you know a Catholic who fits that description, put them in her path. If you do not know one, then, become that person yourself 🙂

Find a good CAtholic Women’s Conference and invite her to go with you.
 
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