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BonnieBj
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When are we going to be told about the new regs. I saw a brief flash about them on EWTN the other day but have heard nothing since. Anybody have any info?
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Br.Rich_SFO
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What I understand is that the Bishops of the US decided that they can begin to be implimented with Advent 2003 and should be in place everywhere by the beginning of Advent 2004. Everyone had one full year to decide how to implement them and to do so!
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Jermosh
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You should have them by now. I have been to 3 differant diocese parish and they all have the new ones.
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BonnieBj
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Nope, not yet and not a word about them. The omly one I do know about is the one where the wine will be poured into all the chalices, including those of the Eucharistic Ministers.
I would like to read about them but don’t know where to find them.
I would like to read about them but don’t know where to find them.
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JNB
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The new liturgical regulations will amont to very little(if any) change for most parishoners, though sadly some Bishops and clergy have used this ha sa green light to attempt to stamp out kneeling for the reception of communion and kneeling during communion, two things that Rome stated that were a right of the parishoner.
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deaconswife
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We went to a meeting last week on the changes in the Instruction Redemptonis Sacramentum. In the diocese I live in they must be implemented in parishes by November 1st. I understand that some bishops are asking for clarification of parts of the document which might be the cause for the delay in implementation in a given diocese.
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Crusader
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A meeting? That’s absolutely wonderful. There is no effort here to follow the GIRM and Redemptonis Sacramentum because, after all they are just “guidelines” per our bishop – his words, not mine.We went to a meeting last week on the changes in the Instruction Redemptonis Sacramentum. In the diocese I live in they must be implemented in parishes by November 1st. I understand that some bishops are asking for clarification of parts of the document which might be the cause for the delay in implementation in a given diocese.
The last time a “captain” EMHC dropped consecrated hosts into a potted plant next to the altar as she was distributing the hosts between vessels should have been warning enough…
I sure hope we get an orthodox bishop when our current one retires in a year or so.
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buffalo
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There are no new liturgical regulations. The GIRM and RS are a call for correction. Many Liturgical abuses have crept in and these documents are mostly re-iterations of previous documents.
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Crusader
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buffalo said:
Not true. The GIRM is new.
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CatholicNerd
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Do you guys mean the new missal? I have it from somebody in the know that although there’s a rough draft of the missal that could theoretically be sent to Rome for review, the more liberal elements of the USCCB are trying to derail the project. So… it may be two years before something is sent, approved, and promulgated. At least.
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SeekerJen
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Wow- our parish put the new GIRM regulations into effect as soon as they were made available last year. They even printed up a series of inserts for the bulletins explaining what the changes were and why they were changed (most of it was not obvious unless you knew what to look for), and a couple of months ago, a reminder/review sheet of the GIRM changes.
And no one has tried to eliminate kneeling due to the new GIRM, either. I think our parishoners would revolt.
And no one has tried to eliminate kneeling due to the new GIRM, either. I think our parishoners would revolt.
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buffalo
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Check out the difference between the the pre-existing GIRM and the current one. Where do you see the differences?
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Confiteor
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I know a lot of things were just not done properly and not genuine “changes” but don’t we stand a bit earlier at the “Pray brethren…sacrifice will be accepted…” part? We used to sit for the people’s response, not we stand and say it…(I thought I heard a while back that this was a misunderstanding of some sort, so I’m not sure if we’re now out of compliance having made this change. Masses I’ve attended out of state and out of country haven’t done this; I had thought they were out of date.)
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Crusader
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Check the language on what the sacred vessels are to be made from as just one example.
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buffalo
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Here are both. Seems pretty much the same.
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**III. SACRED VESSELS **
- Vessels should be made from materials that are solid and that in the particular region are regarded as noble. The conference of bishops will be the judge in this matter. But preference is to be given to materials that do not break easily or become unusable.
- Chalices and other vessels that serve as receptacles for the blood of the Lord are to have a cup of nonabsorbent material. The base may be of any other solid and worthy material.
- Vessels that serve as receptacles for the eucharistic bread, such as a paten, ciborium, pyx, monstrance, etc., may be made of other materials that are prized in the region, for example, ebony or other hard woods, as long as they are suited to sacred use.
- For the consecration of hosts one rather large paten may properly be used; on it is placed the bread for the priest as well as for the ministers and the faithful.
- Sacred vessels are to be made from precious metal. If they are made from metal that rusts or from a metal less precious than gold, then ordinarily they should be gilded on the inside.
- In the Dioceses of the United States of America, sacred vessels may also be made from other solid materials that, according to the common estimation in each region, are precious, for example, ebony or other hard woods, provided that such materials are suited to sacred use and do
not easily break or deteriorate. This applies to all vessels which hold the hosts, such as the paten, the ciborium, the pyx, the monstrance, and other things of this kind. - As regards chalices and other vessels that are intended to serve as receptacles for the Blood of the Lord, they are to have bowls of nonabsorbent material. The base, on the other hand, may be made of other solid and worthy materials.
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