New Liturgy of the Eucharist Instruction

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My questions are these:
  1. Why was this change put in place?
  2. Why aren’t the clergy educating the laity about it?
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Craig
My priest says the Roman Missal edition 3 has it correct. People are to wait until the priest says his part. We stand and say our part. This is not a change, but a clarification. My priest has educated our parish about this. 🙂
 
Quick, somebody, we have a crisis! Does anyone have a razor? We have a hair to split!

Sorry - couldn’t resist; good grief, and thanks be to God that He has infinite patience.

I am all for following the rubrics. But neither the world, the Catholic Church, our faith, or anything else is going to come apart at the seams, nor will apostasy occur if the congregation gets on its feet before the Priest intones “Pray, brethern”; and the most likely result if they wait until the priest finishes the prayer is that they will be answering the prayer while getting on their feet.

Form is important; substance is more important. Substance without any form is chaos; form without any substance is a mockery.
 
Quick, somebody, we have a crisis! Does anyone have a razor? We have a hair to split!

Sorry - couldn’t resist; good grief, and thanks be to God that He has infinite patience.

I am all for following the rubrics. But neither the world, the Catholic Church, our faith, or anything else is going to come apart at the seams, nor will apostasy occur if the congregation gets on its feet before the Priest intones “Pray, brethern”;** and the most likely result if they wait until the priest finishes the prayer is that they will be answering the prayer while getting on their feet.**

Form is important; substance is more important. Substance without any form is chaos; form without any substance is a mockery.
That’s what happens in our parish, since our pew directions are like the Missal, they show the priest’s words inviting us to pray and that is followed by ‘the people rise and respond’. In our parish they never stood until after this entire prayer so it is a completely new thing for them to stand for the response.
 
We are familiar with most of the parishes in our city (in Ontario, Canada), and before the revision, no one ever stood until the end of the people’s reply. Now, the practice is mixed. Each parish has a set of laminated cards with the new responses, but they come from different sources, some Canadian and some American, and not all of them include the instruction to stand for this prayer. Also, people are resistant to change, especially learning to “rise and reply” when saying a prayer that used to be said while seated. The scattered rumble of people trying to get up while cramming in a prayer that still feels like it ought to be finished before you stand makes for some confusion of mind and body.

Congregations are such individuals. Even in parishes where they have been quite willing to learn to stand, in one they will all stand up together, but in another it will be piecemeal throughout the whole prayer, so that they aren’t all up until it’s over. (and the thought bubbles above all the heads say: “May the Lord OOHH, yes, right, we are supposed to be standing up now …hmmm, OK, … and all His church I mean all His holy church”) And in at least one parish, hardly anyone stands for this prayer, but they still wait until it’s over, except for a few people popping up randomly who have either read the instruction or come in from another parish. But so far, there aren’t enough of them yet to trigger that herd instinct which can sense the point at which there are enough people doing something that maybe I should be doing it too.

Some priests made a point when the revision first came in to remind us to stand, while others haven’t mentioned it much. Eventually I suppose we will all remember, but we aren’t consistent yet. I wish that everyone could agree to delay the prayer for a few seconds until everyone is standing up, but that would be too much to hope for!

As a footnote, I include a private grumble of mine about standing to pray, that sometimes, in places where the congregation is invited or expected to stand up, e.g. at “Let us pray”, some priests don’t wait for us, but just keep on going with the prayer, and then it’s hard to hear them, or to follow the prayer properly. Some of the prayers are so short that we aren’t even all up before it’s over. It seems just plain courtesy to wait until the people whom you have just invited to stand and pray can get themselves ready to join you. But I try and be charitable, and think that maybe they are in a hurry that morning. And maybe they think the same about us when they observe the rush to the parking lot at the end of mass. 🙂
 
As a footnote, I include a private grumble of mine about standing to pray, that sometimes, in places where the congregation is invited or expected to stand up, e.g. at “Let us pray”, some priests don’t wait for us, but just keep on going with the prayer, and then it’s hard to hear them, or to follow the prayer properly. Some of the prayers are so short that we aren’t even all up before it’s over. It seems just plain courtesy to wait until the people whom you have just invited to stand and pray can get themselves ready to join you. But I try and be charitable, and think that maybe they are in a hurry that morning. And maybe they think the same about us when they observe the rush to the parking lot at the end of mass. 🙂
I wish they just say “Let us pray” and then have a long moment of silence before the go ahead with the prayer.
 
Our parish is drifting towards standing in a staggered fashion during the priest’s part. I think this is a difficult movement. Just a few years ago, we all stood after we finished responding. Then we were asked to stand before the priest prayed. We had completely settled into that. Just a few months ago, we were told we had to stand after the priest says his part, but before we respond, but we were not given enough time to change position before we had to start talking. So now there is this dribble of people getting up as the priest starts and during the entire prayer of the priest. I hope someone sets us all back onto one path, but so far the pastor has ignored that we are drifting out of his most recent instruction towards the previous instruction. No one has drifted to the instruction from a number of years ago, though.
 
In the Boston Archdiocese, several years ago, they passed along instruction about various changes that were to be made in the actions of the people, and this was one of those. For the priest to say the prayer, and then the people rise and respond. In our parish, we did adopt that, and it was thought at the time that a few seconds would be necessary for everyone to stand, but everyone starts with the response pretty much immediately. Several other parishes that I have been in around our area have the people standing immediately as the priest begins the prayer. In our parish, it seemed to “stick.” But, I do wish that they would have also focused on several other more irritating aspects of the way people behave at Mass… 😉
 
It is from the General Instruction for the Roman Missal (GIRM). This instruction takes presidence over any other writings as it comes from the Vatican
Not quite. Each Bishop’s Conference (in the US, it’s the USCCB - the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops) can, by their right, set policies above and beyond the specifics of the GIRM or Missal. That is the right of any bishop’s conference in the world. One has only to look in the MIssal to see that Chapter IX of the GIRM gives certain rights to the bishops, both as a conference and as the leader of their diocese.

At one point, the Roman Missal said that the posture for during the Eucharistic Prayer was standing, while the US adaptation said to kneel. So the first authority we listen to is our local bishop, who is in many ways the equal to the bishop of Rome. But the bishop of Rome is, by definition and practice, also the pope. The pope is in essence the “chief” bishop.

One has only to study church history to see that there are matters that the Vatican won’t address if they feel the local bishop has a handle on it. Each bishop can (and many have) set standards of posture for their diocese, for example.

An overriding note of being polite, however, is to do what the parish where you’re attending Mass does. If they stand, stand with them. If they sit, you sit. If they kneel, so do you. One instruction to come to us is to not use the Liturgy to make political statements. To stand when others kneel, for example, can be interpreted as “political”, but referring to the politics of the Church.

Charity is the best choice while things are going on, then discuss after with the appropriate person.
 
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