New Liturgy

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The important thing to keep in mind is that this is not a new Liturgy but a new translation of the current Ordinary Form.

Also IMHO it is out landish to advocate for a literal translation of the Latin (outlandish is the nicest word I could come up with).
 
What does everyone think about the new Liturgy which is out later on this year? I feel that it was sprung upon us with not even any consultation with the priests. One could say that if it a deeper expression of worship then it will be wonderful. However the Vatican has not been involved in any consultation with us or the Bishops. This is another example of a big step back from Vatican II which expressed the idea that the church would all move forward together and centralisation would move from the Vatican to the Bishops and the people.
What does anyone think?
This has been 10 years in the making! In fact Blessed JP2 was the one to announce it to the Bishops. All Bishops of English speaking countries have been given their offical dates of release well over a year. There was/is plenty of time to prepare. Don’t worry the Church won’t go back to that “medieval mass” which from your statements it seems to be your concern.
Note I was being sarcastic, I attend the EF and I am not disrespecting the mass or anyone on here.
 
Does anyone else remember when the Mass was originally translated into English post Vatican II? If I remember correctly, it was the way it is in this new translation. I seem to recall a further revision that resulted in what we have today (soon to be the old version). I think that it changed about five years in.
 
Here in Australia, we just moved to the new liturgy. We used it first on Pentecost Vigil Mass. It’s really really good. We even had a group of men that sung gregorian, and we used incense!
 
Here in Australia, we just moved to the new liturgy. We used it first on Pentecost Vigil Mass. It’s really really good. We even had a group of men that sung gregorian, and we used incense!
Wow you guys move fast. We gotta wait until November until we can start using the New Translations. 😃

Incense is always good.

God bless.
 
Here in Australia, we just moved to the new liturgy. We used it first on Pentecost Vigil Mass. It’s really really good. We even had a group of men that sung gregorian, and we used incense!
Sounds like you South Australians are on the ball. Us Victorians are lagging behind as usual 🙂
 
It was announced two years ago, the clergy have been instructed upon the few and subtle changes, and it is not a “new” liturgy, just a new translation of the Editio Tercia of the Forma Ordinaria Missale Romanum.
It was announced much more than 2 years ago, since they had been working on the texts for almost 10 years. Perhaps it wasn’t known in the general population of people but priests did know, unless they chose to ignore it. Also the changes at least for the priests are not few and subtle. The people’s changes are few, the priest’s changes are significant.
 
I think you are looking at this with the wrong attitude.
  1. The main purpose of this translation is to fix the original one. It did not follow the latin text very closely.
  2. The translation has been in the works for quite a while
  3. No offence, but why should the faithful, or even all the priests be consulted? The church is not a democracy.
  4. The bishops are the ones voting on the text! They are most certainly involved.
Amen!

And, many of the faithful have been asking for this and following the progress of the new translation for years now. This has hardly been sprung. There have been newsblurbs about it throughout this time period and the bishops last few conferences were televised on EWTN.
 
IMO, all English is not the same. American English differs from Canadian, Australian, Indian, African, and [gasp] English, et als. Idioms of each don’t translate correctly into various local English languages, And translators from a native language into English may chose one “english” word when another may be more accurate.

I believe it is important to pray our mass as faithfully as possible to the original Latin. And I also feel that our English universality will be more comfortable in all English speaking locations as soon as we use the new translation. Then, the English translation will use the identical words in all English speaking churches, no local or regional or national variations.

I"ll struggle with “consubstantial”, but I’ll pray it nonetheless. And I do admit that over the years, I’ve had difficulty saying “We believe …” as the first word of the Creed, as the work “Credo” means “I believe”.

Lastly, I’d comment that the Latin is not changing. It was, it is, and it will be. The English variations are becoming one translation, TBTG.
 
Does anyone else remember when the Mass was originally translated into English post Vatican II? If I remember correctly, it was the way it is in this new translation. I seem to recall a further revision that resulted in what we have today (soon to be the old version). I think that it changed about five years in.
Well where I live the original transition to English occurred in 1965. However this was the tridentine form but said in the vernacular. I believe it was 1967 or '68 when the Pauline Mass came out.

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Well where I live the original transition to English occurred in 1965. However this was the tridentine form but said in the vernacular. I believe it was 1967 or '68 when the Pauline Mass came out.
The problem was that it wasn’t just in the vernacular, they first used more or less the Church of England’s translations in the Mass itself. The Anglican Church might have had problems with the Catholic Church copying/plagiarizing their old texts, I don’t know, but the ICEL decision was made to come up with a new translation to make it different from the Anglican Church’s and procure their own copyrights to the work. The 1967 (?) Missal would have the “for all” consecration and other changes in the canon, well before the promulgation of the New Mass (1970) and something very few had thought would happen. As many know by now, this was the period when people started doubting the validity of any English translation of the Mass. In fact, Omlor et al wrote about this.
 
It is awkward. I don’t know how Marty Haugan or whatever his name is, plans on revising his Mass of Creation to make it work. Maybe we’ll finally be rid of it. crosses fingers
Nope, He’s doing it again. :mad:
 
It was announced two years ago, the clergy have been instructed upon the few and subtle changes, and it is not a “new” liturgy, just a new translation of the Editio Tercia of the Forma Ordinaria Missale Romanum.
It’s a little misleading to say a new translation of the third edition. Admittedly, it is new, and it is based on the third edition. However, since there was no previous translation of the third edition, it is more precise to say that it’s a new translation of the Roman Missal, this time based on the third typical edition.
Lastly, I’d comment that the Latin is not changing. It was, it is, and it will be.
The Latin did change, that’s why there is a third edition.🤷
 
It was announced much more than 2 years ago, since they had been working on the texts for almost 10 years. Perhaps it wasn’t known in the general population of people but priests did know, unless they chose to ignore it. Also the changes at least for the priests are not few and subtle. The people’s changes are few, the priest’s changes are significant.
The final text was announced 2 years ago to the general public. It’s been available online for most of that.

The lag time was so that composers could make new settings ready.
 
The final text was announced 2 years ago to the general public. It’s been available online for most of that.

The lag time was so that composers could make new settings ready.
Actually, tons of changes have been made to the translations in the last two years. Most of these have been to the priest’s parts (Collects, Prefaces, etc.), although there have been a handful of changes to the Ordinary and even the people’s parts, such as adding a couple more repetitions of “I believe” to the Credo so that it is not one giant sentence.
 
We have not yet decided what setting to use, but I am considering one of the revisions for ease of transition.
 
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