New LOTH Revisions Approved!

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drforjc said:
I seem to remember hearing something like 3-5 years. We have discussed this in several threads in the last year or so.

Basically, the “heavy lifting” is already done.
  1. The Revised Grail Psalter is already done.
  2. The collects for most of the Proper of Saints and Proper of Seasons is complete with the new English mass translation.
  3. The biblical and non-biblical readings in the Office of Readings and the rest of the Office will probably not change.
What may require more translating or reworking to satisfy the norms of Liturgiam Authenticam:
  1. The basic dialogues, etc. of the Ordinary.
  2. The closing prayers for the 4 week Psalter (outside of special seasons)
  3. The intercessions
  4. Potentially, the Benedictus, Magnificat, Nunc Dimittus, and Te Deum
  5. Psalm-prayers
  6. Responsories
As you can see, the remaining work to be done, while still substantial, is less than one might have thought.
Hopefully we will also get better hymns. I personally use the latin hymns in Liber Hymnarius about 95% of the time.
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The year A,B,C Gospel Canticle antiphons for Sundays will need to be translated (unless they simply extract those from the African edition).
I’m hoping the Psalm-prayers go altogether (they’re not in the Latin).
I would like to see Psalm 95 from the Grail version, the Gospel Canticles and especially the Te Deum retranslated.
I also hope for explicit approval for both versions of the Gloria Patri, but if I have a choice of only one, I would prefer the traditional ending.
I would also prefer vernacular translations of the actual Latin hymns and the absolute banishment of Sion Sing and all other Lucien Deiss songs.
 
Anyone have any ideas as to whether the current Liturgy of the Hours will be completely abrogated, or will it still be permissible to pray it in private as part of the prayer of the Church?

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
Anyone have any ideas as to whether the current Liturgy of the Hours will be completely abrogated, or will it still be permissible to pray it in private as part of the prayer of the Church?

-Tim-
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I am guessing it will come to the same fate as the old translation of the Roman Missal. That is, it will no longer be licit for use.
 
TimothyH said:
Anyone have any ideas as to whether the current Liturgy of the Hours will be completely abrogated, or will it still be permissible to pray it in private as part of the prayer of the Church?

-Tim-
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You have named two different options. Either it is prayed in private as a devotion, or it is prayed with the Church in public. In the former option, there is no question of liceity. It will still be legitimate prayer that can be recited privately. I don’t know why you would want to; at the very least, you would be missing the propers of saints added since it was promulgated.

For the latter option, the public prayer of the Church will always need to be the approved versions. You can use either the latest edition in English or Latin, or the Latin breviary approved by Summorum Pontificum to go along with those who use the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.
 
YoungTradCath said:
I am guessing it will come to the same fate as the old translation of the Roman Missal. That is, it will no longer be licit for use.
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The GILH of the current LOTH did allow for the use of the Breviarum Romanum due to the difficulties for, especially, elderly clergy to learn the new LOTH.

It wouldn’t surprise me that a time of transition be allowed. After all the books are expensive and for many religious communities, new books for an entire community especially so.
 
Elizium23 said:
You have named two different options. Either it is prayed in private as a devotion, or it is prayed with the Church in public. In the former option, there is no question of liceity. It will still be legitimate prayer that can be recited privately. I don’t know why you would want to; at the very least, you would be missing the propers of saints added since it was promulgated.

For the latter option, the public prayer of the Church will always need to be the approved versions. You can use either the latest edition in English or Latin, or the Latin breviary approved by Summorum Pontificum to go along with those who use the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.
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Either way, the LOTH is just that, a Liturgy. Even said in private, it is part of the Liturgical action of the Church.

My thoughts would be that it would be permitted for a time to co-exist with the new translation, but eventually ( with a year or two) be abrogated.

And when that happens, it would be illicit for it’s use, even in private, in much the same way that a priest cannot licitly use the old tranlation of the Missal, even for a ‘private’ Mass.
 
Brendan said:
Either way, the LOTH is just that, a Liturgy. Even said in private, it is part of the Liturgical action of the Church.

My thoughts would be that it would be permitted for a time to co-exist with the new translation, but eventually ( with a year or two) be abrogated.

And when that happens, it would be illicit for it’s use, even in private, in much the same way that a priest cannot licitly use the old tranlation of the Missal, even for a ‘private’ Mass.
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+1

There will likely be a period of overlap, after which any licit use of the old edition will be on a case-by-case basis (health, old age, language handicap).

I for one, can’t wait to snatch up the new edition once Canada approves it. There will be no overlap period for me. I think they did a great job on the Roman Missal, and if it’s any indicator, the new Breviary will be just as marvelous.
 
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