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I listened back through the Mass setting and noticed something else, this time in the “Holy, Holy, Holy,” that I’m unsure about. It’s not as bad as the Gloria, but I was curious if anyone thought this was problematic. At the part where it says “Hosanna in the highest.” Hosana is repeated three times before, “in the highest,” and once after. Also before going into “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord,” it jumps up to “Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God of hosts.” Is anything here wrong? I know that enough problems have been pointed out just with the Gloria, but I’d like to know if there were more.
 
I guess I must have associated that with only the Gloria. My parish use to use another version of the Gloria that also used a verse/refrain structure, but not with the others, so I didn’t think they were ever done in that format. I never heard about it being used on other aspects. Thanks for re-pointing that out; so I guess the only real problem is the Gloria then. Well I’m not a big fan of the music, but its licit.
 
Actually, there are several instances with problematic word changes. Another one is in the Memorial Acclamation B (labeled “Mystery of Faith B”), which says, instead of “When we eat this bread and drink this cup” → “When we eat this bread, when we drink this cup”.

Also, in the “Great Amen” the word “Alleluia” is introduced. Problematic - the only thing permitted to be sung or said is “Amen” and this setting would not be usable during Lent.
 
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Actually, there are several instances with problematic word changes. Another one is in the Memorial Acclamation B (labeled “Mystery of Faith B”), which says, instead of “When we eat this bread and drink this cup” → “When we eat this bread, when we drink this cup”.

Also, in the “Great Amen” the word “Alleluia” is introduced. Problematic - the only thing permitted to be sung or said is “Amen” and this setting would not be usable during Lent.
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For the Memorial Acclamation B, what’s problematic about the word change? It doesn’t seem much different from repeating a word a couple times. I’m not trying to defend this setting, but I’ll probably be answering the same question soon.

Are these the only other problems that you’ve noticed with this setting?

Thanks, you’ve been a great help 🙂
 
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My parish has introduced a new Mass setting called “The Mass of St. Francis of Assisi,” by Michael B. Lynch. Has any one heard of it? It mostly affects how the music is played for certain parts of the Mass, but there seems to be slight variations in the wording. Here’s the website; what are your oppinions on it?

liturgyresource.org/2011/10/26/hello-world/
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My parish has had compose some music to go with the new translation of the Roman Missa or just revised the old music with the new translation. There a web site and there are is lode of other well known Composers who have written new music or
revised the old music. ocp.org/newmasssettings
 
C794 said:
For the Memorial Acclamation B,** what’s problematic about the word change? It doesn’t seem much different from repeating a word a couple times. **I’m not trying to defend this setting, but I’ll probably be answering the same question soon.

Are these the only other problems that you’ve noticed with this setting?

Thanks, you’ve been a great help 🙂
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Good question. Elizium would be able to answer better than myself, but I’ll throw out my opinion. The point is that the words should be exactly the words in the Missal, with no alteration (other than some repetition). I can see three good reasons for this.
  1. If people alter any of the words they can introduce wrong theology. Each word of the liturgy has been written and approved by theological experts with deep awareness of the scriptural, traditional and theological context. A layman may guess that “When we eat this bread, when we drink this cup…” is not much different from “When we eat this bread and drink this cup…”, or that “Amen, Alleluliah!” is not much different from “Amen”, whereas a liturgical expert might spot a significant change. Leave it to the experts.
Would you take a small piece out of your car engine because it looks to you like it’s not important?
  1. Unity. When we say the approved words we are in communion with our diocese and Bishop, with the English speaking Catholic church, and all Catholics. When our parish makes a change that unity is ruptured. It may be a tiny rupture, or a large one. Even a few different words can make a significant rupture, and we become a community which is a law unto itself.
  2. Accessibility. When we say the correct words we enable visitors and those new to the parish, or those who attend infrequently, to fully participate. If we change a few words then they become confused.
Those are some reasons I can think of. Needless to say, they won’t make any impression on your parish if they have already decided to make these (totally unnecessary) changes. In so doing they have already decided that they want to go their own way. Your only recourse is to find the relevant part of the GIRM (or other instructions) which says that no alterations are permitted, and be prepared for a fight, which you probably can’t win. ( 😦 ).
 
I personally have no problems with the wordings whatsoever. However I do not like the music. The stylized piano playing alone is bad enough, but there are also trumpets and drums which causes the Mass to sound more and more like a Christian music concert than a sacred ceremony. Call me a traditionalist, but why can’t these parishes just play the organ? It is not expensive (certainly not as expensive as the drum set) and it is a great instrument to lead the congregation in singing. My parish has both a piano and an organ, but for some reason we rarely ever play the organ despite it being literally right across from the piano. The only mass I remember having the organ is the Passion of the Lord, which also happens to be the most beautiful and solemn mass the parish ever celebrates.
 
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I personally have no problems with the wordings whatsoever. However I do not like the music. The stylized piano playing alone is bad enough, but there are also trumpets and drums which causes the Mass to sound more and more like a Christian music concert than a sacred ceremony. Call me a traditionalist, but why can’t these parishes just play the organ? It is not expensive (certainly not as expensive as the drum set) and it is a great instrument to lead the congregation in singing. My parish has both a piano and an organ, but for some reason we rarely ever play the organ despite it being literally right across from the piano. The only mass I remember having the organ is the Passion of the Lord, which also happens to be the most beautiful and solemn mass the parish ever celebrates.
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👍 I hope when I apply for a full-time music director position someday, you’re the interviewer! 🙂 Let’s put the “sacred” back in “sacred music”.
 
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